GUILTY IL - Katrina Smith, 30, beaten to death, Machesney Park, 23 Oct 2012 - #1

[cluciano63]

If your spouse does not return from a 9pm errand, you try to call him/her, then drive the route they would have taken, maybe drive around for an hour or two, and then call police, even if you know they might not take you seriously so soon after the person was last seen. What sort of person would not do this? I mean, seriously, do you just say "oh well" and go to bed? And when you get up in the morning, spouse still not there, and you still don't call 911 right away? None of this makes any sense, if indeed the spouse was living in the home.

(I worked at the Wagon Wheel in Rockton for a summer in the early 90's-not far from all of this, right?)

 

[LongTallTexan]

If she was living at home with TS, how many times did he call her cell looking for her that night, how many times did he call others (friends, relatives, the condo, ec) looking for her. Where did he go looking for her that night in his car? What did he find and and when did he stop looking for her? What was his reasoning to stop, go home, go to bed and then wait until the the next morning to call?

I would think these actions would be instinctive for someone you care about!

Apparently we were thinking the same think and posting at the same time.

 

[cluckcluckcluckcluck]

If your spouse does not return from a 9pm errand, you try to call him/her, then drive the route they would have taken, maybe drive around for an hour or two, and then call police, even if you know they might not take you seriously so soon after the person was last seen. What sort of person would not do this? I mean, seriously, do you just say "oh well" and go to bed? And when you get up in the morning, spouse still not there, and you still don't call 911 right away? None of this makes any sense, if indeed the spouse was living in the home.

AND, if the spouse is NOT living in the house and lives in her own condo, why call and report her missing at ALL, even the next day/evening/night? I mean, you are living separately/separated. You would assume she was starting her own life and may just not pick up YOUR call or answer YOUR text as she has moved out. Either way, it seems odd.

 

[StormyNights]

Does anyone know if the Rock River they are talking about in IL ties up to the Rock River in Wisconsin at all? I am curious. I don't have time to check it out right now. There is a Rock River in the city I live in, in Wisconsin. Just wondering if it is possible that these are the the same two rivers? TIA for anyone who can check this out!!

 

[LongTallTexan]

AND, if the spouse is NOT living in the house and lives in her own condo, why call and report her missing at ALL, even the next day/evening/night? I mean, you are living separately/separated. You would assume she was starting her own life and may just not pick up YOUR call or answer YOUR text as she has moved out. Either way, it seems odd.

Exactly...even if she didn't go to work, so what. Sick, played hooky, whatever....why would he assume she's missing....if it wasn't that urgent the night before, why is it when she doesn't show up at work?

Is he the one that 'located' the missing car for police?

Isn't the time of the missing persons report public info?

 

[scottiemom]

I know the Rock goes through Beloit and Janesville, does that help?

 

[LongTallTexan]

Does anyone know if the Rock River they are talking about in IL ties up to the Rock River in Wisconsin at all? I am curious. I don't have time to check it out right now. There is a Rock River in the city I live in, in Wisconsin. Just wondering if it is possible that these are the the same two rivers? TIA for anyone who can check this out!!

yes, the rock river runs from Wis into Ill, in Wis it runs from the area of Watertown down to Lake Koshkonong then down through Janesville and Beloit....but it runs from North to South.

 

[LivingJuicy]

If she was living at home with her husband, why file the report in Roscoe?

Right. She was living in Roscoe! I don't think Todd has told the truth at all. IMO :jail:

 

[LivingJuicy]

Does anyone know if the Rock River they are talking about in IL ties up to the Rock River in Wisconsin at all? I am curious. I don't have time to check it out right now. There is a Rock River in the city I live in, in Wisconsin. Just wondering if it is possible that these are the the same two rivers? TIA for anyone who can check this out!!

The Rock River is a tributary of the Mississippi River, approximately 299 miles (481 km) long,[1] in the U.S. states of Wisconsin and Illinois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_River_(Mississippi_River)

 

[nervous_nellie]

If your spouse does not return from a 9pm errand, you try to call him/her, then drive the route they would have taken, maybe drive around for an hour or two, and then call police, even if you know they might not take you seriously so soon after the person was last seen. What sort of person would not do this? I mean, seriously, do you just say "oh well" and go to bed? And when you get up in the morning, spouse still not there, and you still don't call 911 right away? None of this makes any sense, if indeed the spouse was living in the home.

(I worked at the Wagon Wheel in Rockton for a summer in the early 90's-not far from all of this, right?)

i have to admit this has been a burning question for me too -- so im now listening to the archives of oct 23rd to see if we can figure out when he called or walked in to file the report.... i got lucky with IHAVENOCLUE downstairs doing that, so i can do this...lets hope he called early, i started listening at the 7am mark and so far nothing...

 

[nervous_nellie]

Exactly...even if she didn't go to work, so what. Sick, played hooky, whatever....why would he assume she's missing....if it wasn't that urgent the night before, why is it when she doesn't show up at work?

Is he the one that 'located' the missing car for police?

Isn't the time of the missing persons report public info?

i thought friends found the car first...but ill know in a bit in the archives...i think there is an msm article that eludes to that but i dont think the time is given...

 

[LunaLight]

If she was living at home with her husband, why file the report in Roscoe?

Do we have verification as to the origin of his report? Did he phone in, or did he walk in? If he drove to Roscoe to check on her, it would be closer to report her missing in Roscoe vs driving 15-20 minutes back to Machesney Park to report her missing.

Opinions Please?? If *a* spouse were to kill his/her partner, and then go to all the trouble to scatter the belongings, dump the car and such--Would you expect him to have enough sense not to lie regarding the relationship status? Wouldn't a third party provide a bit of a distraction for LE and take some of the focus away from you? OR perhaps it is beneficial for you to pretend that you didn't know there was an affair?

I'm sooo confused!

 

[LMStyle]

Exactly...even if she didn't go to work, so what. Sick, played hooky, whatever....why would he assume she's missing....if it wasn't that urgent the night before, why is it when she doesn't show up at work?

Is he the one that 'located' the missing car for police?

Isn't the time of the missing persons report public info?

The reason you would assume someone is missing is because responsible adults like Katrina would call into work or call and reschedule the job interview she had Tuesday, not just no show or "play hooky". So if work/interview called her home at Tetterhall and he answered or got the message that she did not show up that would raise alarms for people to assume she's missing at that point.

We don't know how the conversation went the night she went missing, it could have been left in the air that she would come back home or could possibly stay at the other place (be it condo loaned for separation, housesitting, whatever speculation you wish to believe). If she was just housesitting instead of living there for separation, perhaps it's possible some nights she went there and fell asleep there and didn't come home. If he's not involved maybe he fell asleep after she left and didn't wake up until the morning and realized she was gone, but could have been to the condo, or to the interview, or to work.

It's all good and well to be like WHY this WHY that, if it was me I would do this I would do that, but people forget that you are speaking from the current situation. You are not thinking of it from the perspective of prior to something bad happening. I mean when your loved one leaves for work or goes out the door to run an errand you are not assuming the absolute worst when they don't come back when they said the would. You never know when the last time you see or talk to someone could be the absolute last time you ever see or talk to that person, be it a car accident, a random shooting, or an abduction.

From the way it reads, it seems that LE found the car during their patrols, but I am not sure.

If she was living at home with her husband, why file the report in Roscoe?

Well Roscoe police department is the closest to their home and if you search for Machesney Park Police Department you get Loves Park, Winnebago County, Rockford or Roscoe as being the nearest police departments to contact. So I guess for the area they live in, if they call 911 or they call the police it probably goes to Roscoe or Winnebago County.

 

[StormyNights]

Thanks to those that were able to check the Rock River for me. So, with out giving away my exact location, I am VERY near Watertown and the rock river is literally in my backyard. What are the SLIM chances that a body, that wasn't weighted down could flow this far? This is something I have always thought of and I think she would most likely flow south rather than north? I have been going back and forth with driving down to help with the search, wouldn't take me too long to get there. Just not sure if I am brave enough to do something like this :blushing: Again, just SPECULATING as to the possibility of a body being thrown into the Rock River in IL and ending up in Northern WI? Thanks to anyone that may be able to help answer that MOO

 

[LMStyle]

Do we have verification as to the origin of his report? Did he phone in, or did he walk in? If he drove to Roscoe to check on her, it would be closer to report her missing in Roscoe vs driving 15-20 minutes back to Machesney Park to report her missing.

Opinions Please?? If *a* spouse were to kill his/her partner, and then go to all the trouble to scatter the belongings, dump the car and such--Would you expect him to have enough sense not to lie regarding the relationship status? Wouldn't a third party provide a bit of a distraction for LE and take some of the focus away from you? OR perhaps it is beneficial for you to pretend that you didn't know there was an affair?

I'm sooo confused!

I like the way you think, if he was out checking the other place she was staying, the nearest police department would be Roscoe, and even if he called from home, it's likely it would get routed through roscoe. Even under Village of Machesney Park, IL website department listings, the picture of the guy for the police department is wearing a Winnebago County Sheriff's Department uniform, not a city/village police uniform. I don't think villages get their own PD, I think they just assign a County Sheriff to reside/patrol over that area.

Even where I live is an actual city but where I live is patrolled and responded by the county sheriff, the city police actually have no jurisdiction here.

<modsnip>.

 

[StormyNights]

I like the way you think, if he was out checking the other place she was staying, the nearest police department would be Roscoe, and even if he called from home, it's likely it would get routed through roscoe. Even under Village of Machesney Park, IL website department listings, the picture of the guy for the police department is wearing a Winnebago County Sheriff's Department uniform, not a city/village police uniform. I don't think villages get their own PD, I think they just assign a County Sheriff to reside/patrol over that area.

Even where I live is an actual city but where I live is patrolled and responded by the county sheriff, the city police actually have no jurisdiction here.

Now, not only are their claims she had a boyfriend, there are claims she had more than one boyfriend, and one of them had a very angry ex, which may or may not have been the one that was the culprit in the flyer incident, and if that is the case, that is definitely someone that should be a POI.

BBM: You are correct on that. I live in a village and we are routed through our county sherrif's department for non-emergency calls. They have a "contract" with the nearest city for emergency calls. HTH.

 

[LMStyle]

Thanks to those that were able to check the Rock River for me. So, with out giving away my exact location, I am VERY near Watertown and the rock river is literally in my backyard. What are the SLIM chances that a body, that wasn't weighted down could flow this far? This is something I have always thought of and I think she would most likely flow south rather than north? I have been going back and forth with driving down to help with the search, wouldn't take me too long to get there. Just not sure if I am brave enough to do something like this :blushing: Again, just SPECULATING as to the possibility of a body being thrown into the Rock River in IL and ending up in Northern WI? Thanks to anyone that may be able to help answer that MOO

I am certain that everything flows downstream. So any and all searches would be conducted from the upstream point going downward which in this case would end at the dam.

 

[scadder21]

The reason you would assume someone is missing is because responsible adults like Katrina would call into work or call and reschedule the job interview she had Tuesday, not just no show or "play hooky". So if work/interview called her home at Tetterhall and he answered or got the message that she did not show up that would raise alarms for people to assume she's missing at that point.

We don't know how the conversation went the night she went missing, it could have been left in the air that she would come back home or could possibly stay at the other place (be it condo loaned for separation, housesitting, whatever speculation you wish to believe). If she was just housesitting instead of living there for separation, perhaps it's possible some nights she went there and fell asleep there and didn't come home. If he's not involved maybe he fell asleep after she left and didn't wake up until the morning and realized she was gone, but could have been to the condo, or to the interview, or to work.

It's all good and well to be like WHY this WHY that, if it was me I would do this I would do that, but people forget that you are speaking from the current situation. You are not thinking of it from the perspective of prior to something bad happening. I mean when your loved one leaves for work or goes out the door to run an errand you are not assuming the absolute worst when they don't come back when they said the would. You never know when the last time you see or talk to someone could be the absolute last time you ever see or talk to that person, be it a car accident, a random shooting, or an abduction.

From the way it reads, it seems that LE found the car during their patrols, but I am not sure.



Well Roscoe police department is the closest to their home and if you search for Machesney Park Police Department you get Loves Park, Winnebago County, Rockford or Roscoe as being the nearest police departments to contact. So I guess for the area they live in, if they call 911 or they call the police it probably goes to Roscoe or Winnebago County.

He stated that they were together and she was coming home that night. Why say that in public EVEN after detectives publicly state they are separated.

Your giving an excuse of why he wouldn't report her or try to find her that night that contridicts with what he said about this already.

Had he wanted to give himself an alibi he should have simply stated that she was going to stay at the other house for the night. I think in wanting to not be deemed an instant suspect he lied in a way that made him even more suspicious.

 

[nervous_nellie]

Do we have verification as to the origin of his report? Did he phone in, or did he walk in? If he drove to Roscoe to check on her, it would be closer to report her missing in Roscoe vs driving 15-20 minutes back to Machesney Park to report her missing.

Opinions Please?? If *a* spouse were to kill his/her partner, and then go to all the trouble to scatter the belongings, dump the car and such--Would you expect him to have enough sense not to lie regarding the relationship status? Wouldn't a third party provide a bit of a distraction for LE and take some of the focus away from you? OR perhaps it is beneficial for you to pretend that you didn't know there was an affair?

I'm sooo confused!

yes, the missing poster on the official fb states that she was reported missing in roscoe. that is fact.

as to your other questions...i havent the slightest idea... but i do believe that le has a good reason to state that they are separated and not living together. i find it odd for mr. smith to state that the police are wrong, and that they are happy and live together at the tetterhall address. and then le clarifies again that they have reason to believe that the smiths are indeed separated. so far, thats all i got...and still listening to the archives till i get the time that she was reported missing and when/who found the car first according to dispatch...

 

[StormyNights]

He stated that they were together and she was coming home that night. Why say that in public EVEN after detectives publicly state they are separated.

Your giving an excuse of why he wouldn't report her or try to find her that night that contridicts with what he said about this already.

Had he wanted to give himself an alibi he should have simply stated that she was going to stay at the other house for the night. I think in wanting to not be deemed an instant suspect he lied in a way that made him even more suspicious.

BBM: I totally agree with that!! I also wonder if friends had said they were separated because she had told them her plans and maybe she had told him that night? Maybe he flew off the handle that night when she told him. This is just pure speculation of course, but maybe she used the "housesitting" as a rouse of some kind to start the process of "getting away" from him and he found out. I don't know, this case really is strange and he sure did make himself look like a suspect to me by denying right off the bat that they were separated and saying she wasn't living in that condo and they were "happily married". Why do that?? :waitasec: