IL - Krystal Tobias, 9, & Laura Hobbs, 8, found dead in Zion park, 8 May 2005 - #1

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  • #81
Odd, but this story was out earlier: "Yesterday I was at work and my wife saw them playing. ... About 8:30 last night, someone came by the house looking for them," said Jim Goetz, whose daughter is ... " at this link: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/050905_ns_zion.html

The article at that link now, however, doesn't include a quote from Goetz.

Maybe it's just error in recording the quote.
 
  • #82
Maybe So said:
Neighbor man/father of playmante is setting off my hinky meter.

I mean he just saw those 2 girls yesterday and now they are dead with their throats cut and I am wondering why I don't see any "OMG how unbelievable that this happened right here by my house, and I just saw those girls yesterday OMG and a murderer must be loose and I fear for my own child OMG OMG!!" kind of reaction from him.

Seems strange.....not much emotion or shock expressed when he talks...I would be crying if a neighbor kid was murdered.

Does the man have a wife? or is he a single father?

How mad was he about the chalk on the garage?



I think that to get both of them they had to be familiar with the person.

I just have a strange feeling but will not point any fingers at anyone without firm evidence.


Um....I think you just did point the finger at him.
 
  • #83
LovelyPigeon said:
Odd, but this story was out earlier: "Yesterday I was at work and my wife saw them playing. ... About 8:30 last night, someone came by the house looking for them," said Jim Goetz, whose daughter is ... " at this link: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/050905_ns_zion.html

The article at that link now, however, doesn't include a quote from Goetz.

Maybe it's just error in recording the quote.
yeah, I've noticed some discrepanices in some of the stories too...
One story said estimated time of death 1am, another listed midnight. One story listed that the call to LE about the girls missing was at 8:50 and another listed 9pm ... One listed bodies found at 6am this morning, another listed them being found at 6:15... I know, it's close enough, but still... it's sometimes hard to get facts from non-facts.
 
  • #84
PrayersForMaura said:
I posted this on the thread in the crimes in the news forum:

i'm just amazed that these kids were seemingly roaming all day long!
Did they eat?

Timeline...
  1. they were at a friend's house at 9am,
  2. scrubbing off chalk on garage at 10
  3. in a neighbor's hammock at 4pm
  4. riding a bike at 6pm
  5. were supposed to be home at 7pm, never showed
  6. reported missing at 9pm
  7. dead at 12am by coroner's report (estimated)
  8. found at 6:00am
It is obvious...it was a "kids out of the house" Sunday....seems like they got into "trouble" when they were out and about as well....hope it isn't another case of parents not supervising close enough....just because the town is small and considered safe is not license to let your children go for hours on end without checking up on them....IMO
 
  • #85
joanofarc said:
It is obvious...it was a "kids out of the house" Sunday....seems like they got into "trouble" when they were out and about as well....hope it isn't another case of parents not supervising close enough....just because the town is small and considered safe is not license to let your children go for hours on end without checking up on them....IMO
I agree...
the little girls are cute. I saw their pictures on CNN.
this is so sad :(
 
  • #86
PrayersForMaura said:
I posted this on the thread in the crimes in the news forum:

i'm just amazed that these kids were seemingly roaming all day long!
Did they eat?

Timeline...

  1. they were at a friend's house at 9am,
  2. scrubbing off chalk on garage at 10
  3. in a neighbor's hammock at 4pm
  4. riding a bike at 6pm
  5. were supposed to be home at 7pm, never showed
  6. reported missing at 9pm
  7. dead at 12am by coroner's report (estimated)
  8. found at 6:00am


This can't be right! They had to be someplace else, especially for Mother's Day..wouldn't they be having a special time with their Moms?
 
  • #87
Jovin said:
This can't be right! They had to be someplace else, especially for Mother's Day..wouldn't they be having a special time with their Moms?
that's what i wondered ... although 10am to 4pm is unaccounted for, but it seems they were probably riding bikes til 11 or 12 (estimated) ... all those times listed were according to eye witnesses.
 
  • #88
I never heard a word about these girls until just a few minutes ago on the Dan Abrams show on MSNBC...this is just so horrific!
 
  • #89
I just don't get it. Are these killings becoming more rampant or is the media just reporting on them more? We are truly in the end times :mad:
 
  • #90
Pharlap said:
What's going to be hard about this case is:

It's very close to the Wisc border.
Lake Michigan is right there and at that location it's VERY DEEP, so if the weapon was thrown in the water, may never be found.
It's also the location of a closed nuclear power plant.

Also what was stated is the police aren't sure where they were killed....

Chicago stations had it on last night and all day today.......
 
  • #91
The parents of both girls are in the police station being questioned as I type..
 
  • #92
Maybe that was Mom's special time...a Sunday with the kids out of the house....yet, someone needs to be a responsible parent here. Yoo-hoo Dads....any in this picture...?? They are keeping awfully quiet about the parents...probably a good thing...at this point...
 
  • #93
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9-year-old Krystal Tobias and 8-year-old Laura Hobbs

""They were stabbed more than once," said Dr. Richard Keller. Neither girl was sexually assaulted and their bodies were found fully-clothed.

NBC5's Amy Jacobson said the girls were both stabbed in the neck. Their bodies were found side-by-side, face up in the tall grass.

Both girls were last seen playing at another friend's house Sunday morning. They left the friend's house at about 10 a.m. to go home, Jacobson reported. The girls were reported missing Sunday evening after not returning home.

Keller said the girls appeared to have been killed around midnight, but an autopsy is still being conducted."

http://www.nbc5.com/news/4466309/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=2265994&dppid=65193
 
  • #94
I'm having a hard time about this too and wondering how any parent could let their child roam for hours like that unsupervised. Where I live, that would be called negligent. Given the fact that this was always a safe town, I would still think the girls would check in at some point just to eat lunch, have a snack, get a drink, or go to the bathroom. Maybe we haven't been given all of this info yet. Most 2nd graders would be starting 2nd grade at age 7, turning 8 sometime that school year. One of the girls was already 9, which could have meant she was repeating a grade. There might be a reason why she is 9 and in 2nd grade. I knew this person once who took his child out of 1st grade for the whole year just to tour the states making her a year behind. If it was due to her having trouble in school, I would wonder what kind of support this child was getting at home and how much freedom she had. Again, alot of info hasn't been released, I'm just looking at every angle. Were the girls maybe drawing on the garage door because they were mad at their friend and trying to get her in trouble? I have a 9 yr old dd and I honestly can't see her doing that. These little girls had too much free time and not enough structure. No matter what they did or who they might have upset, they didn't deserve to be murdered. We really have to take this serious and know where our children are!
 
  • #95
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Jim Goetz was one of the last people to see the two girls alive. They were visiting his daughter at his home on Sunday before heading off on their bikes at about 10 a.m.

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Goetz said the three girls had been drawing with chalk on his garage door Sunday morning just before the two victims took off on their bikes.

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The Tobias family's car was dusted for fingerprints.

Slide show
 
  • #96
kahskye said:
I'm having a hard time about this too and wondering how any parent could let their child roam for hours like that unsupervised. Where I live, that would be called negligent. Given the fact that this was always a safe town, I would still think the girls would check in at some point just to eat lunch, have a snack, get a drink, or go to the bathroom. Maybe we haven't been given all of this info yet. Most 2nd graders would be starting 2nd grade at age 7, turning 8 sometime that school year. One of the girls was already 9, which could have meant she was repeating a grade. There might be a reason why she is 9 and in 2nd grade. I knew this person once who took his child out of 1st grade for the whole year just to tour the states making her a year behind. If it was due to her having trouble in school, I would wonder what kind of support this child was getting at home and how much freedom she had. Again, alot of info hasn't been released, I'm just looking at every angle. Were the girls maybe drawing on the garage door because they were mad at their friend and trying to get her in trouble? I have a 9 yr old dd and I honestly can't see her doing that. These little girls had too much free time and not enough structure. No matter what they did or who they might have upset, they didn't deserve to be murdered. We really have to take this serious and know where our children are!

My son is 9 years old and in 2nd grade. I had him do 1 year of 4K and then 1 year of 5K, which made him a little older than his current classmates. I did this because I felt he needed a little more time before he was in school full time days, he was still teary eyed in the morning before school and I felt that he needed another year to mature. I would do it again in a heartbeat! He was also my last child and maybe I held on to him a little also. I dont think you should necessarily read anything into her being 9 and in 2nd grade. Doesnt automatically make the parent unsupportive. Could be many reasons for it, sickness that caused her to miss alot of school the prior year for instance.
 
  • #97
Jeana (DP) said:
WTF! Who would DO something like this?????
A monster.....they really do exist!
 
  • #98
lostfaith said:
My son is 9 years old and in 2nd grade. I had him do 1 year of 4K and then 1 year of 5K, which made him a little older than his current classmates. I did this because I felt he needed a little more time before he was in school full time days, he was still teary eyed in the morning before school and I felt that he needed another year to mature. I would do it again in a heartbeat! He was also my last child and maybe I held on to him a little also. I dont think you should necessarily read anything into her being 9 and in 2nd grade. Doesnt automatically make the parent unsupportive. Could be many reasons for it, sickness that caused her to miss alot of school the prior year for instance.
I did the same thing with my daughter and she was elected homecoming queen and will be entering college in the fall. She is 19 and in the 12th grade. I am glad I did it.
 
  • #99
lostfaith said:
My son is 9 years old and in 2nd grade. I had him do 1 year of 4K and then 1 year of 5K, which made him a little older than his current classmates. I did this because I felt he needed a little more time before he was in school full time days, he was still teary eyed in the morning before school and I felt that he needed another year to mature. I would do it again in a heartbeat! He was also my last child and maybe I held on to him a little also. I dont think you should necessarily read anything into her being 9 and in 2nd grade. Doesnt automatically make the parent unsupportive. Could be many reasons for it, sickness that caused her to miss alot of school the prior year for instance.
I was afraid that would come out wrong. I don't mean to be reading any more into that than anything else. I'm just looking into different areas. I agree, I have seen unsupportive parents of children making good grades too. I also didn't know that all 3 girls were drawing on the garage which would not be making these two troublemakers.
 
  • #100
richandfamous said:

OK.....I've been out of the loop and am just getting wind of this story, although things happened fast it seems. I am saddened and shocked!!!! So is this guy being questioned?? (haven't read everything sorry...) I am just curious if chalk on a garage door would cause such rage???? Chalk washes off....if he has anything to do with it I don't get it. I've had kids color my walls, drag dog poop in on the carpet, lots and lots of things. I am clueless....like I said, haven't read everything, this post grabbed my attention since the kids drew on his garage and sounds like a rage killing.

Prayers for the friends and family....soooo sad.
 
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