IL - Krystal Tobias, 9, & Laura Hobbs, 8, found dead in Zion park, 8 May 2005 - #1

[richandfamous]

This guy seems to be the one person that saw them last by one news report but other news reports say different! The parents are being questioned all day today and it seems they have fingerprinted the Tobias' car. The girls were found this morning and this man says they were at his house yesterday..that's all we really know. I'm not saying he has done anything..it's just that his initial statements sound a little weird..maybe not..jmo.
One of the bikes is still missing, maybe someone used it to get away from crime scene. Lot's of possibilties here.

 

[kahskye]

One of the bikes is still missing, maybe someone used it to get away from crime scene. Lot's of possibilties here.

I would think a grown man would have a hard time riding a girl's bike, which would be maybe 20-22". It seems that he could get away faster on foot. Being there's no sexual assault, could this have been done by someone younger just out for a random killing?

 

[lostfaith]

I did the same thing with my daughter and she was elected homecoming queen and will be entering college in the fall. She is 19 and in the 12th grade. I am glad I did it.

Oh, thank you for telling me that. The ONLY thing that nags at my mind is that some day he might be mighty mad at me that he is 19 and still in high school. I do believe I did the right thing though, my oldest son just made the cut off for kindergarten, so he was the youngest in his class, he struggled through middle and elem. school, now he is high honors in his senior year, but I really wish I would have held him back also. I think it would of done him a world of good. His struggle in school helped me make the decision I did with my youngest.

 

[richandfamous]

on Greta....dr boden says they were stabbed even after they were dead!
Says it is probably someone that knew them or mentally disturbed person.
They were found in wooded area right behind the play ground.

 

[Maybe So]

Um....I think you just did point the finger at him.

No, just speculating if he was the last person to see them. speculating on why he seemed kind of unfazed by the whole thing.

Without having heard all or really any of the facts I won't accuse anyone of a crime....speculate on whether they might be a good suspect yes, accuse them ...no way....that is why I said that although I was wondering...I would not point a finger of accusation.

Now that man himself or his family and friends probably wouldn't see the difference but I do.

 

[Maybe So]

on Greta....dr boden says they were stabbed even after they were dead!
Says it is probably someone that knew them or mentally disturbed person.
They were found in wooded area right behind the play ground.

Yes, maybe someone mad at them. But who get's that mad at 2 little kids?
Mentally disturbed for sure. But I also wonder about other kids like teens doing a thrill killing.

I wonder were they followed around for some time by a person waiting for the right chance or did they just happen to run into the wrong person at the wrong time and the wrong place by sheer coincidense?

 

[KatherineQ]

I think this is going to turn out to be children who committed this crime. Like, a pair of boys or three boys.

Twelve and 13 years old, around that age. Playing in the woods with knives, and suddenly they lost their minds.

 

[lostfaith]

This guy seems to be the one person that saw them last by one news report but other news reports say different! The parents are being questioned all day today and it seems they have fingerprinted the Tobias' car. The girls were found this morning and this man says they were at his house yesterday..that's all we really know. I'm not saying he has done anything..it's just that his initial statements sound a little weird..maybe not..jmo.
One of the bikes is still missing, maybe someone used it to get away from crime scene. Lot's of possibilties here.

I wonder if they are checking the other family's car also, or just the Tobias family? It also sounded like they were collecting samples or something in their house.

 

[Camper]

I think this is going to turn out to be children who committed this crime. Like, a pair of boys of three boys.

Twelve and 13 years old, around that age. Playing in the woods with knives, and suddenly they lost their minds.

------------------->>>KatherineQ, certainly an interesting thinking point. Goetz looks sorta mean, probably the face whiskers, Bundy was so sweet looking. Goetz in the second picture by his garage door appears to be wearing a wedding ring, so I a$$ume he is married and NOT separated.

Autopsy showing death at 1 or 2 AM, is certainly a wonderment, where were they, indeed, until they were murdered?

Wonder if Goetz wife and his daughter left to go somewhere, were they AT CHURCH and was he home ALONE??? Might Ms. Goetz and the daughter have gone to a movie for a mothers day treat at Mr. Goetz suggestion. Sorry, I have gone into the nearby ditch again, easy to do with so many of these horrible murders. People are getting nuttier and nuttier!!!!!!!!!!

The missing bicycle is a crazy feature of this case.

So I guess for my first thought, he looks mean and was mad, just how mad was he? Where were the girls in the early evening? Did they eat supper at home?

Nancy Grace was crying tonight when she had the ME and Mark Klaas on her evening show. Mark thinks it was a revenge thing.

Come to think of it HOW could the killer be MAD at both girls, was it a garage door thing, OR OR were there two killers?



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[lostfaith]

------------------->>>KatherineQ, certainly an interesting thinking point. Goetz looks sorta mean, probably the face whiskers, Bundy was so sweet looking. Goetz in the second picture by his garage door appears to be wearing a wedding ring, so I a$$ume he is married and NOT separated.

Autopsy showing death at 1 or 2 AM, is certainly a wonderment, where were they, indeed, until they were murdered?

Wonder if Goetz wife and his daughter left to go somewhere, were they AT CHURCH and was he home ALONE??? Might Ms. Goetz and the daughter have gone to a movie for a mothers day treat at Mr. Goetz suggestion. Sorry, I have gone into the nearby ditch again, easy to do with so many of these horrible murders. People are getting nuttier and nuttier!!!!!!!!!!

The missing bicycle is a crazy feature of this case.

So I guess for my first thought, he looks mean and was mad, just how mad was he? Where were the girls in the early evening? Did they eat supper at home?

Nancy Grace was crying tonight when she had the ME and Mark Klaas on her evening show. Mark thinks it was a revenge thing.

Come to think of it HOW could the killer be MAD at both girls, was it a garage door thing, OR OR were there two killers?

I suppose nuttier things have happened, but I am gonna hold off accusing a man of killing two little girls for drawing with chalk on his garage! Maybe you might have something with the two killer theory though. I would think that unless the girls were bound, it would be hard to stab one without the other running off.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

I suppose nuttier things have happened, but I am gonna hold off accusing a man of killing two little girls for drawing with chalk on his garage! Maybe you might have something with the two killer theory though. I would think that unless the girls were bound, it would be hard to stab one without the other running off.

I wonder if the same knife was used to kill both girls? I am leaning towards one murderer...

 

[TisHerself]

They may have been stabbed and left there but not have died right away. I think it was probably a couple of teenages too. They probably did know them maybe the girls came upon them doing drugs and said they were going to tell. Does'nt have to be a revenge killing but depending if it was drugs what they were doing. Some drugs cause rage.

 

[Camper]

http://jersey.uoregon.edu/~mstrick/AskGeoMan/geoQuerry50.html

"Chalk" is a variety of "limestone" which is composed primarily of the shells of single-celled, calcium carbonate secreting creatures. Think about this next time you use chalk - that white stuff all over your hands is actually countless individual shells, each microscopic in size and the former home of a living being."


I would like to know where the chalk is now, and who did it belong to, the two girls or Goetz daughter?

I don't think that it would have taken one hour to remove the chalk from the garage door. A quick garden hose would have washed it off without consequence imop.

IF the girls were told to rub it off, it could most likely have caused some unsightly damage, thereby increasing the anger. I would like to see the garage door up close and personal.

At the beginning of a case like this everyone is looked at. I am guessing that by tomorrow, some lie detector tests will be given to some people of interest. Goetz fits the bill for that ceremony.


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[TisHerself]

They were drawing on his garage door at 9am they were not reported missing untill 9m.
I really don't think he is going to hold that kind of anger against 2 little girls and then go looking for them at night and stab them to death then take one of their bikes. I may be wrong but I just can't see it being him.

 

[lostfaith]

They were drawing on his garage door at 9am they were not reported missing untill 9m.
I really don't think he is going to hold that kind of anger against 2 little girls and then go looking for them at night and stab them to death then take one of their bikes. I may be wrong but I just can't see it being him.

I tend to agree with you. If these 2 girls regularly played with this mans daughter, I would imagine that there have been many instances in the past where the children have gotten into trouble, like the chalk incident. I cant see how the chalk incident would set this man off enough to murder them, the guy would have to be a total LUNATIC! I am leaning toward them coming upon something they should not have seen, I dont know what. It is way to early, not enough info. out yet.

 

[PinkyPoo]

I live just a few miles from the park. It's a beautiful area. It's well used since there is a wonderful Bike trail that runs through it. I hear the girls were found just off the trail. I often go there to run the dog, as many people do.

It's not really what I would call remote. However many areas of the park are not visible to the street. It is an area known for kids to "party" in. They have had some muggings in the park the past years so there has been trouble there before.

The local talk around town is that one of the fathers is being looked at now, but not a "suspect" yet.

 

[richandfamous]

Coffeehead over at ctv said they heard NBC5Chicago 10pm news reported the girls were found this morning by 'not a jogger' but Laura's father who is now and has been questioned all day. Listed as a POI by the news, and says he was recently released from a TX prison.

 

[blaize]

Hello all,

this is a dreadfully tragic crime. The missing bike makes me wonder if that could have been part of the motive. i know that sounds odd but maybe they met someone, or a group of people close to their own age and an altercation broke out because someone wanted the bike and the girls resisted and, well we know the sad outcome. Stranger things have happened and people killed over less ...

blaize

 

[lostfaith]

Coffeehead over at ctv said they heard NBC5Chicago 10pm news reported the girls were found this morning by 'not a jogger' but Laura's father who is now and has been questioned all day. Listed as a POI by the news, and says he was recently released from a TX prison.

Wow, that had actually crossed my mind! In being that I wondered if the checked out the person that found the bodies. Kinda coincidental that they would come across them, sounds kinda remote area. But then again, if they were searching the area, why wouldnt that make sense. Do you know why he was in prison?

 

[indicajane]

I have two children. My daughter is ten and my son is six. Everyone thinks I'm overprotective for not letting them go to the park alone, it is a block from our house. Occasionally, when i am shopping or whatnot my husband has overruled me and allowed them to go by themselves. He points out we live on an army base, and we're not like everyone else..since people have to give identification in order to enter the base, and because you can not live in military housing if you are convicted of a sex crime.
I don't care. I'm so scared about all these things right now...and its sad. Its sad that my kids have to sit inside and stare at the televison or play video games instead of going and riding their bikes, and exploring the way I did as a child. I remember spending whole days out and about, coming home 'when the street lights come on" But the saddest part is I don't know when it ends. I can't see feeling better about Daisy riding her bike to her best friends house when she's 11, 12, 15...I don't know what to do. Sometimes I feel as if, with these sickos breaking into the houses in the middle of the night, that I should just give them more freedom, and pray for the best. What else is there to do??