IL - Sonya Massey Shot To Death In Her Own Home by Sangamon County Deputy After Calling to Report a Prowler, Springfield 6 July 2024

  • #561
Yes, and I never got the feeling, when watching the bodycam footage, that Grayson felt anything especially dangerous was happening either, until suddenly, it was. Remember when she first moved to pick up the pot of water, both officers took a step back. Sonya asked, lightheartedly I thought, "Where are you going?" And wasn't it Grayson who replied, in a kind of joking manner I thought, "Away from your pot of boiling hot water!" And they all sort of chuckled at that moment of (what I felt was) a bit of humor.

So that was the mood at that moment. But was the very next thing Sonya saying, "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus"? And it should be emphasized that she did just SAY it, she never screamed it, or raised her voice at all. She didn't yell it crazily. I would almost say she murmured it even.

But that, imo, was all it took to change Grayson's mood in a flash, from casually watching to over the top violent, as if he were suddenly transported into the most threatening of situations. But not exactly that, not like he felt truly threatened/in danger. But more like ANGRY. All of a sudden. Like CHALLENGED. (Trying to think of the right descriptive words here.) Yes, I'd say he seemed to suddenly feel challenged which made him angry. (As in, who was she to challenge HIM?)

In fact, when she said it (I'll rebuke you...), wasn't his instant response, "You better not!" I think that's correct. And I'm still baffled that he said that right then. She better not rebuke him? Or was the rest of it what she better not do.... was he mad at the rebuking alone, or only because it was in the name of Jesus? Either way (although that does seem like an important point!) but either way, it makes me seriously wonder what he thinks "rebuke" means. Because he did seem to take that a lot worse than anybody ever should have.

I wonder if he had any particular kind of religious upbringing. Maybe that phrase or ones like it have a certain meaning or association to them, for him. Something bad. Something he does not like at all.

Do we know if he is a religious man at all (or at least thinks he is)? And even if he's not especially religious, he could still find real personal truth in some concepts of Christianity, and that phrase she used may have meant something to him more than what it may mean to others. Like I would GUESS that he really truly believes in a heaven and a hell, not unusual to believe in, but also not unusual to not believe in, even if you're a "true Christian." I think a lot of Christians are ok with heaven and hell being metaphorical concepts (for lack of a better word). But I would (again) just guess that he believes they're real. And he may think the phrase she said has some power behind it (and maybe it does, who knows), and that he may have taken it more as her "cursing" him. I don't mean cussing at him. I mean, like putting a (real) curse on him. If so (all a guess, remember), but if so, this sounds to me like a guilty conscience on his part! Like he knows the life he's been leading isn't the road to heaven, and what she said to him may have just been the clincher that could be his eventual damnation for all eternity. Ok, that may be a little extreme, and I don't think I explained what I'm thinking well anyway, but maybe someone can get a sense of what I mean anyway!

To me, it's all in the "You better not!" that he said when she "rebuked" him. I'd like to tear that apart some more and see what really comes out of it upon closer inspection, but that's probably getting too off topic.

When will he find out his sentence?

Wow. That is insightful. We all have our own "baggage" and counter-transference. Something did set him off, was he afraid of what she said?

I really didn't see even a threat, after all, it seemed at least 15 feet away.
 
  • #562
"I rebuke you in the name of Jesus!" is something you would say to an evil spirit or a demon, no? At the very least, it communicates that the thing being "rebuked" is a negative or undesirable being that needs to be warded off. As someone who was called over to her house by her to assist and protect, I can see why her saying something like that would rankle him. And saying something like that while you have a pot of boiling water in your hand or close at hand can be somewhat unnerving to the person on the receiving end. Quite possibly if she thinks he's some kind of evil force, she may see nothing wrong with throwing the hot water at him. He doesn't know her mental state.

None of this justifies what he did. I don't think he was in immediate threat or danger of bodily harm or death at any point in this interaction. And even if he felt that he was, the moment she said "I'm sorry" and cowered, certainly, there was no danger to him after that point.

JMO
 
  • #563
MOO the I rebuke you was directed to the "danger" Grayson pointed out. I don't even think it was directed to him. I suspect it was directed to the pot hot steaming water. She was asserting spiritual control over the perceived danger the LEO claimed existed. Again, JMO

Sonya was not in her right mind. Even everyday items or circumstance can be viewed as spiritual warfare by one who is unbalanced. Her words made sense to nobody but her, but I don't even think they were meant for the man that killed her.
 
  • #564
"I rebuke you in the name of Jesus!" is something you would say to an evil spirit or a demon, no? At the very least, it communicates that the thing being "rebuked" is a negative or undesirable being that needs to be warded off. As someone who was called over to her house by her to assist and protect, I can see why her saying something like that would rankle him. And saying something like that while you have a pot of boiling water in your hand or close at hand can be somewhat unnerving to the person on the receiving end. Quite possibly if she thinks he's some kind of evil force, she may see nothing wrong with throwing the hot water at him. He doesn't know her mental state.

None of this justifies what he did. I don't think he was in immediate threat or danger of bodily harm or death at any point in this interaction. And even if he felt that he was, the moment she said "I'm sorry" and cowered, certainly, there was no danger to him after that point.

JMO

Yes. He should have retreated at that time, and called supervision. No danger in home, but caller needs psych consult. For assessment of danger to self and others.
 
  • #565
Good to see he has been convicted, even if she was (and I don't think such a thing even entered her mind) going to throw the pan at him he could have easily moved out of harms way, she was never a threat to him, if he thought she was a threat he wouldn't have moved closer,
Every time a cop gets convicted it is such a powerful thing, it makes the loony trigger happy cops who should never have been made cops think twice before they decide to use deadly force when it is not warranted,
Body cams are the best things that have happened to cops in years,
 
  • #566
In fact, when she said it (I'll rebuke you...), wasn't his instant response, "You better not!" I think that's correct. And I'm still baffled that he said that right then. She better not rebuke him? Or was the rest of it what she better not do.... was he mad at the rebuking alone, or only because it was in the name of Jesus? Either way (although that does seem like an important point!) but either way, it makes me seriously wonder what he thinks "rebuke" means. Because he did seem to take that a lot worse than anybody ever should have.

I wonder if he had any particular kind of religious upbringing. Maybe that phrase or ones like it have a certain meaning or association to them, for him. Something bad. Something he does not like at all.

Do we know if he is a religious man at all (or at least thinks he is)? And even if he's not especially religious, he could still find real personal truth in some concepts of Christianity, and that phrase she used may have meant something to him more than what it may mean to others. Like I would GUESS that he really truly believes in a heaven and a hell, not unusual to believe in, but also not unusual to not believe in, even if you're a "true Christian." I think a lot of Christians are ok with heaven and hell being metaphorical concepts (for lack of a better word). But I would (again) just guess that he believes they're real. And he may think the phrase she said has some power behind it (and maybe it does, who knows), and that he may have taken it more as her "cursing" him. I don't mean cussing at him. I mean, like putting a (real) curse on him. If so (all a guess, remember), but if so, this sounds to me like a guilty conscience on his part! Like he knows the life he's been leading isn't the road to heaven, and what she said to him may have just been the clincher that could be his eventual damnation for all eternity. Ok, that may be a little extreme, and I don't think I explained what I'm thinking well anyway, but maybe someone can get a sense of what I mean anyway!

Your angle on it being angering to him on a religious level is interesting.

I have another potential way to look at it--did he actually know meaning of the word "rebuke?" We automatically assume that he knew what it meant...but did he? It's not exactly a frequently used word these days and hasn't been a common word except in very specific situations (such as religion) for quite a while now.

Did he think it meant something else? Did he assume it meant something bad?

I mean, on a monthly basis I am shocked by which "vocab" words (that I think are common) are actually not understood by the general public.
 
  • #567
Your angle on it being angering to him on a religious level is interesting.

I have another potential way to look at it--did he actually know meaning of the word "rebuke?" We automatically assume that he knew what it meant...but did he? It's not exactly a frequently used word these days and hasn't been a common word except in very specific situations (such as religion) for quite a while now.

Did he think it meant something else? Did he assume it meant something bad?

I mean, on a monthly basis I am shocked by which "vocab" words (that I think are common) are actually not understood by the general public.
Did he possible mishear "rebuke" and think she said "will kill" or something? Surely that would have been mentioned at trial, though.

No matter. Words alone aren't threatening enough to respond with a shoot to kill. A pot of water several feet away isn't a lethal weapon.

JMO
 
  • #568
  • #569
The Illinois Supreme Court, in a brief order, said Grayson’s attempts to remain free before his trial are “moot” as he’s already gone to trial and he’s been convicted of second-degree murder.

“An appeal is moot if ‘no actual controversy exists or if events have occurred that make it impossible for the reviewing court to grant the complaining party effectual relief,” the justice said, citing previous case laws
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