IL IL - The Unidentified Victims of John Wayne Gacy

[Betty P]

So haven’t been on here in ages. Who are you talking about from Kentucky? I didn’t see anything in this thread about someone from Kentucky. You can only search for the whole word and it’s probably somewhere as “KY.”

I saw a video a while back on YouTube and just got around to watching it. Apparently, Gacy was known to visit the “Land Between the Lakes” area of far western Kentucky.

I made note of the video because the guy lives just a couple counties west of me. I knew Eyler travelled all over the place and had killed in Kentucky, but didn’t know that Gacy ever got as far from his home as Kentucky.

Wow, quite a story! He came very close. People were more trusting back then and Gacy knew how to take advantage of that. What was Gacy going to do with a bathtub full of ice? I don't want to think about it.

I didn't know Gacy traveled around to troll midwestern summer resort areas to troll for victims. He said he was told Gacy traveled to Kentucky Lakes and Lake of the Ozarks - both popular summer vacation spots for people who lived in the Chicago area. Also the Dells and another place in Wisconsin?

 

[Hockeyfan158]

while it’s unlikely I’ve always been interested in body 13. I wonder if Randy Stewart Doran might be him. I have a lot of doubts though given Randy disappeared eight months prior to them finding the bodies in Gacy’s house. Randy Stewart Doran – The Charley Project

Body 13. https://🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬/wiki/Body_13

I submitted him just in case.

 

[RedSlider]

I've been looking at Canada missing persons since I believe there is a strong possibility one of the unidentified victims is from Canada. One missing person who fits a lot of the victim profile is Barry Fiddler. If Barry is indeed one of the Doe's he is most likely Body 28 as he matches the build, age & death range for this victim.

The real big issue's with this potential match is the location & Barry's race. Its a long distance between Barry's last known sighting & Chicago, its not an impossible distance to travel but it's definitely a daunting one to take alone. I think there is enough here that it's worth a look.

 

[DS2021]

Gacy once claimed he killed around 45 victims.

Do we believe that? Or was he just toying with investigators?

Redirect Notice

In the fourth episode, former Des Plaines Police Department investigator Rafael Tovar recalls a conversation with Gacy while the two were driving to the Cook County Jail. Tovar, referring to Gacy’s victims, says he asked: “Are there more?”

“[Gacy] says, ‘45 sounds like a good number.’ I said, ‘Well, where are they?’ He said, ‘No, that’s your job. You got to find out.’ We had 33 [victims], so that would mean, obviously, there’s 12 more somewhere,” Tovar says.

He also has claimed that he dumped 5 victims in the river, not 4.

 

[RedSlider]

I'm curious why investigators have Body 10's death range between Jon Prestidge & Matthew Bowman's murders. His burial placement doesn't really tell us anything about when he was murdered compared to the other four.

 

[lightofmine99]

Gacy once claimed he killed around 45 victims. Do we believe that? Or was he just toying with investigators?

I think it’s safe to assume that most serial killers have more victims than what is on record whether they have alluded to that or not. That said, Gacy is definitely a blow hard. I suppose him having 45 isn’t unreasonable but there probably aren’t more than five unaccounted for victims. MOO.

I'm curious why investigators have Body 10's death range between Jon Prestidge & Matthew Bowman's murders. His burial placement doesn't really tell us anything about when he was murdered compared to the other four.

Decomposition possibly? And/or maybe what Gacy told them?

 

[RedSlider]

Decomposition possibly? And/or maybe what Gacy told them?

Definitely possibilities, they must have some reason to believe he died in 1977. I also find it interesting Body 10 was the only victim found without any hair.

 

[RedSlider]

One thought I had on Body 10's lack of hair: Maybe he wore a wig of some sort if he was going/went bald early. Most likely explanation is he just had thin hair but still its a theory that might be of some merit.

 

[LouLou74]

Already discussed earlier, but worth to sumbit.
Might be a possible match for Body 21:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

Any update on this? Thanks!

 

[RedSlider]

Bayard Cousins has such a striking resemblance to Body 13. He would have been 24 at the time of the murder when the age range for Body 13 is 17-22, though I guess a two year difference isn't that large. He isn't excluded as far as I'm aware.

If Bayard isn't Plaquemines Parish John Doe(Personally I think it's Charlie Wallace) I think it would be worth looking into him potentially being Body 13.

 

[taramarie]

Raymond Barabe 1968

Clipping found in The Boston Globe published in Boston, Massachusetts on 7/29/1970. Raymond Barabe 1968

www.newspapers.com

 

[RedSlider]

I check Namus & the Doe Network for potential matches every now & then but haven't found any viable matches, I'm near certain that the last five either don't have missing persons reports or they do but they aren't in any of the public databases. I'll continue to research as more cases get added.

One thing that caught my attention rewatching Deadly Legacy a while back was that they got back 300 inquiries back when the case first broke, 100 of which had no dental records. Knowing Bill Bundy & Jimmy Haakenson were among those inquiries makes me wonder if any of the last five are among those remaining inquiries.

 

[RedSlider]

5315DMON - Richard Henry Jones

Found this Canadian MP today. Brantford to Chicago is just shy of 7 hours via car & Ricky fits the upper estimates for Body 28. Not sure its likely but its worth a look IMO.

 

[Moev]

Recently I submitted Robert Christian as potentially being body 10 after I had read an article he was being looked into as a potential Gacy victim.

Height, lips, and nose seemed to match.

 

[Moev]

Steven Kirchoff as Body 13.

Similar heights, Kirchoff just laid off and Gacy who had a history of giving job offers, including with out of state victims. The Doe had a tooth ache, Kirchoff extensive dental work. Similar facial shapes, eyes, eyebrows, faces, nose, etc. Also simialr hair color, not 100% on Kirchoff being wavy though somewhat there. His age also matches. Only thing that doesn't is that David Cram had dug the trench Body 13 was found in in 1976.

 

[boopboopshoop]

I hope you've submitted these two to the officials

 

[unstable16]

Steven Kirchoff as Body 13.

Similar heights, Kirchoff just laid off and Gacy who had a history of giving job offers, including with out of state victims. The Doe had a tooth ache, Kirchoff extensive dental work. Similar facial shapes, eyes, eyebrows, faces, nose, etc. Also simialr hair color, not 100% on Kirchoff being wavy though somewhat there. His age also matches. Only thing that doesn't is that David Cram had dug the trench Body 13 was found in in 1976.

It is not 100% confirmed the trench for Body 13 was dug by Cram.
Rossia stated he may had dug the trench for this victim in the end of summer 1977.
So Body 13 could be killed in 1977.

 

[Moev]

I hope you've submitted these two to the officials

Submitted both, I know the case of Robert Christian was being looked into by locals as a Gacy case recently so I do wonder what they'll find.

 

[NewBreak1211]

Submitted both, I know the case of Robert Christian was being looked into by locals as a Gacy case recently so I do wonder what they'll find.

Fingers crossed after hearing about the Robert Christian case I couldn’t shake the feeling that he could possibly be a Gacy victim.

 

[snooptroop88]

Body 28 looks like Paul Allard to me, Body 28 (two first images left) Paul Allard (two images right):

Paul Allard 14 yo missing 08/30/1976 from Miami FL. 5'4"-5'5", 110-125lbs. At the time he went missing, he had shoulder length light brown hair and acne.

Paul Allen Allard – The Charley Project

Visiting family members in Miami, called his mother and asked to return home to Connecticut, and she sent an uncle to pick him up. Paul was gone by the time the uncle came. Paul last seen in Miami headed for a 7-11 store. Prior history as a runaway in 1975, while he and his mother were living in Florida, he left home and hitchhiked to Connecticut to see his father, who was sick and then died, and Paul and his mother moved back to CT.

Investigators believe that Paul may have initially tried to go back to Connecticut like he had done before, but he never made it there. His family believes he may have been abducted while attempting to hitchhike to Connecticut. He had an injury to his left hand where it was taped, so wondering about that ring.

Paul Allard really looks like Body 28 to me. Hair, mouth, face generally. Height's close. Age correct. Gacy was doing some extensive traveling about that time, I believe.