GUILTY IL - Willow Long, 7, Watson, 8 Sept 2013 - #4

[JeannaT]

I am trying to understand why he isn't in his mother's custody?!

Because his mother is a liar who basically derailed the search for Willow so she wouldn't be embarrassed by sleeping in all morning.

Her priorities are so far off normal, in my opinion, that it's hard to tell what else she does that is uncaring parenting.

 

[modesty blaise]

Not only did the mom lie, but I believe continued to lie for quite some time (unless LE figured out what happened very quickly).

I say this because if Mom had quickly turned around and told LE the truth before they suspected the uncle I think LE would have changed the circumstances surrounding the time Willow was last seen that they reported to the public.

For example, if a neighbor saw her late Saturday night or very early Sunday morning, that neighbor would not bother to report that sighting to LE as he or she would have thought that Willow was with her mom subsequent to the sighting. Therefore, some valuable winesses may have not reported sightings in this case.

So either LE knew very quickly what happened and didn't see any need to correct the moms statement or she didn't change her story until after the arrest.

Hope I'm making some sense....

not only that, imo to "lessen" the urgency it was told that the child walk away from home before.

sitting on my hands

 

[Curious Me]

Hmm...I wonder why.. I thought he was with his bio dad.

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[krimekat]

l'm surprised that once the case broke that they didn't bring cadaver dogs in, or maybe they did? Cadaver K9s can detect trace amounts of material, for example: small amounts of blood soaked into the ground, teeth, skin sheds, etc.
Even crime scenes that have been "cleaned" can get hits from cadaver dogs. Depends on how good the K9 is, how well the area has been "cleaned", how undisturbed the scene is, etc.
Having hundreds of searchers trample the point last seen provides a challenge for both Trailing and Cadaver K9s. I've seen Trailing K9s that can trail someone that has been riding in a car. But I'm not aware of a Cadaver K9 that can trace a body that has been wrapped in plastic and transported.

Don't know if they were cadaver dogs, pot sniffing dogs, strays or volunteers' dogs but there were dogs at the search sites - MSM pics show it I recall rockon lol

Dogs smelled her in the house but did not hit anywhere outside the house or her scent did not lead them anywhere (3rd crime scene IMHO)

 

[TopTop]

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment.... What if Mom did come clean and tell the truth quickly, but LE chose not to release this because they didn't want JD to know they suspected him? What if someone was watching him, waiting to see if he returned to the crime scene or disposed of a weapon or anything like that. Just a thought.

I honestly have no idea what to think of CD. Maybe she lied, maybe media reported it wrong, maybe she came clean, maybe she didn't, maybe she helped cover for her brother on purpose. I haven't got the slightest idea.

Yes, that's why I said unless LE figured out quickly what happened. If they knew of the uncle's guilt very quickly, the story they put out to the public did not need correcting. They already would know that Willow was gone and that there would not be any witnesses that would have seen her alive.

 

[SuziQ]

not only that, imo to "lessen" the urgency it was told that the child walk away from home before.

sitting on my hands

and 8 miles away at that!

 

[AngelWings444]

IMO - DCFS could have been called in or report could have been made by LE. If they had inside information about the case, in which they feared for NG, they are obligated to report. In addition, maybe DCFS wanted to interview the child and wasn't given permission.

It could also be that Mom had full/sole/legal custody. If she did and Bio-Dad is on mom's side, maybe DCFS wants the child out of Mom and her families home. It could be just a legal way to get the child into Dad's custody and make sure visits with Mom are monitored.

With the comments from the family that Willow was "put out of her misery", the fact that Mom lied about the timeframe in which Willow went "missing". I would expect DCFS would be very concerned about this child being near any family members.

I believe in the child's well-being first. Better to be safe than sorry. He's going to need some child therapy. Hopefully, this is the first step in getting him some help. Poor little guy.

 

[popsicle]

Yes, that's why I said unless LE figured out quickly what happened. If they knew of the uncle's guilt very quickly, the story they put out to the public did not need correcting. They already would know that Willow was gone and that there would not be any witnesses that would have seen her alive.

MOO is they didn't. Right before she was found at 1930, they stated the search would end at 2000 and they would be using heat seeking planes to look for her. iirc

 

[ToothlessFairy]

We do not know how carefully the LE searched her home in the beginning stages, y'all. I do not believe it was carefully at all, because they were not searching for a deceased little girl. They were looking for a living, breathing little girl who went outside to play...or went outside out of frustration or went outside for SOME reason, she went outside on her own free will (is what the initial investigation was all about).

I think we should also remember that CD TOLD LE that Willow walked out of the residence and they couldn't find her. SHE told him Willow walked out....

At first I wasn't all that irritated that mom lied, but now I am FUMING the more I watch this interview.
[video=youtube;GMWhqyQ5QuQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMWhqyQ5QuQ[/video]

SJM (Sheriff) said they looked at the residence and that...went to friends, etc...said it very casually.

They were looking for a living child...not for blood pools.

 

[popsicle]

We do not know how carefully the LE searched her home in the beginning stages, y'all. I do not believe it was carefully at all, because they were not searching for a deceased little girl. They were looking for a living, breathing little girl who went outside to play...or went outside out of frustration or went outside for SOME reason, she went outside on her own free will (is what the initial investigation was all about).

I think we should also remember that CD TOLD LE that Willow walked out of the residence and they couldn't find her. SHE told him Willow walked out....

LE do look around carefully for signs of a crime scene though. Sometimes they will spot specs of blood on a wall or carpet etc and this will lead to a search warrant. jmo

 

[Wolf Dreamer]

Yeah but his parents were gone, his sister was out so why would he need to go in the bathroom to masturbate ESPECIALLY if he was supposed to be watching Willow and her little brother.

As I said, because a bathroom is easier to clean up. I really don't want to go into the details of the conversation I had with some male acquaintances about this yesterday, but the parents being out would be irrelevant.

As to the rest of it, yes, lies are easier if you blend them with the truth. By creating such a vivid story he's trying to make it easier for himself to remember it when he's questioned. Hopefully it's also making it easier to expose the holes.

 

[ToothlessFairy]

LE do look around carefully for signs of a crime scene though. Sometimes they will spot specs of blood on a wall or carpet etc and this will lead to a search warrant. jmo

I do not believe this is the case in this situation...jmo. =/ I only say that based on the casualness of his interview - I have no facts to back it up. So yes, they could have looked around carefully, I just don't think they did in the beginning.

For a very long time on Sunday, the entire situation was all about Willow running away. The Sheriff and his men told the public that they felt it was possible she ran away to have an adventure like the princess in The Princess and the Frog movie. LE believed this, looking back on it, I believe they truly thought this was it.

If they didn't believe her story they would have placed crime tape up as a precaution at the very least, and ordered folks to stay away from the house for the time being.

The only reason they believed she walked away is because of the story told to them by her mom. THAT is why I am fuming.

 

[seguek9]

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Absolutely

 

[Leilei]

My gut tells me another arrest is imminent!

Was thinking the same thing, actually, and feel awful about it. But with them "no commenting" all over the place yesterday during the press conference, well, it almost seems like they've been getting all their ducks in a row, and this is part of it.

I do NOT believe that Mom is involved in Willow's death in any way, shape, or form, but, we've all read and heard the same conflicting statements - the biggest being when she last saw her daughter.

What a sad, sad situation.

IMO, as always.

 

[Curious Me]

I really don't think the Police would urge the Mom to not tell the truth or keep it quiet about when she last saw her daughter. The Police are required to state the facts to the public when asking for their help in finding someone. Aren't they? Say I'm a neighbor and you want to know if I saw someone carrying your child out of the house on Saturday night versus Sunday morning. It matters.

I hope the Mom makes some kind of public statement now to explain away this confusion that has caused doubt cast in her direction. As it stands, we have a need to understand why the truth wasn't told at a crucial time.

Just watched the video of when the search first started. I stand by my previous quote. LE would have no reason at that point to mislead searchers as to the facts of how Willow supposedly went missing. They believed the story according to the Mom. I don't know why the Mom confused this search. All MOO.

 

[skibaboo]

I think at least LE would have searched the house in the beginning to make sure Willow wasn't hiding or hidden somewhere. Any blood could have been cleared up of course but crime scene techs will have sure searched the house thoroughly once the body was found and the arrest was made MOO

 

[krimekat]

I am trying to understand why he isn't in his mother's custody?!

I'd venture to guess her self & her family . . . you'd really want the little guy around all this?

 

[white rabbit]

Clarkin said that DCFS received a phone call from a hotline about the case on Sunday, September 8th. DCFS then immediately launched an investigation. Clarkin also confirmed that DCFS is investigating both Justin DeRyke and Willow Long's mother, Ciera DeRyke.

http://www.effinghamradio.com/News/DCFS-Places-Willow-Long-s-Brother-in-Protective-Cu/17281507

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

9/11/13 Effingham County Sheriff John Monnet said Willow was found in a slough (pronounced 'slue')
on the Little Wabash River. A slough is a swampy part of a river that fills during flooding and
recesses during drought.

This pic taken at the Little Wabash River may or may not be the actual slough, but it is the only
pic I could find taken there in summer.

 

[cluciano63]

I do not find it at all unusual that the other child has been removed. His sister was (apparently) just murdered by his uncle, he may have been left alone while the body was being dumped into the river and mom may have lied to police. Why should mom have custody right now? JMO