GUILTY IL - Willow Long, 7, Watson, 8 Sept 2013 - #4

[TGIRecovered]

I suspect that he took her out to the pile of sticks and kitty litter for the purpose of killing her without leaving a mess in the house. Kitty litter is very absorbent. Also it is to be expected that dogs would be attracted to the smell of the used cat litter. If search dogs were attracted to the pile of litter a handler might assume it was because of cat smell.

It wouldn't be hard to scoop up bloody kitty litter then dump it in any large commercial dumpster.

If one of the throat wounds is from a stick I suspect it was done after he killed her, to fit his cover story.

Also, if the baby boy did not witness the violence, why was he hysterical when Mom got up? If he saw it happen in the night, did he then go to sleep and wake up still hysterical? Was he awake when Mom got home? Doesn't make sense to me.

MOO

 

[ctkid]

I finally made it to the end. again.
When I think of "Putting someone out of their misery."

I think of an old man watching his wife with a terminal illness that the doctors say "Will never recover" (Laying in the bed, gasping for air). Putting her out of her misery.

I think of a soldier on the battle field, Half blown apart. Asking to please shoot me and put me out of my misery.

If there ever was a stick stuck in poor Willow's neck. That is not! Put me out of my misery.

 

[ToothlessFairy]

I don't think NG was ever hysterical and crying and pointing at the door asking for Willow. That is what MSM heard from CD via CE(boyfriend's Mom), who was relaying what CD (Mom) had told her. NG pointing to the door when asked where Willow was, is what CD told LE.

I think NG was asleep in his bed when all of this went down, and the cover story of NG crying and saying something about Willow and pointing to the door after 10am Sunday morning is all fictitious.

I choose to believe he saw and knows nothing.

I didn't use to believe that, but that was prior to knowing that everything out of CD's mouth has been one big whopping fabrication.

 

[Tennlyn]

Any other case similar, hate to type that, where a child has been removed due to same circumstances?

Aliayah Lunsford comes to mind. Not exactly the same, but a very heartbreaking case. :moo:
http://www.theintermountain.com/page/content.detail/id/559267.html

 

[scadder21]

I'm wondering if Justin was brought in at 11pm that night because the police had figured they found her body and that it went from a missing persons case to a homicide? Also wondering if they told him they found the body and that prompted him to confess? Why did he confess when he was reinterviewed?

 

[ToothlessFairy]

From reading the information released yesterday at the Press Conference I don't think there is any reference to a puncture type would or the stabbings to the heart as JD confessed to.

This is why I believe it did happen outside in the debris pile in the back yard. There isn't a reference to the stab wounds to her little heart, because the couldn't see. If she passed away around 11pm (which I believe I read on MSM but cannot find the link) then it would be dark outside. I think JD said he stabbed her in the heart about 5 times because it was dark outside and he didn't know precisely where the knife was landing - and quite frankly, I don't think he cared where it was landing as long as he got the job done. Sick...sick..SOB! The wounds were around her collarbone, and if it's dark outside he could have been aiming for her chest and ended up higher. She didn't fall into the stick pile, he threw her into it to perform his nasty crime....jerkface.

 

[Luther13]

I'm wondering if Justin was brought in at 11pm that night because the police had figured they found her body and that it went from a missing persons case to a homicide? Also wondering if they told him they found the body and that prompted him to confess? Why did he confess when he was reinterviewed?

He was brought in at 11:00 Monday night, they had already found the body at about 7:30 Monday night. They did not release information to the public that they had found a body till about 5:30 Tuesday morning and it was shortly after that they they said they had arrested a suspect.

 

[inkpink]

I am very serious here. Why would she be seen as an unfit mother if she had her brother babysitting?

I have never heard of a parent being called unfit if they go out for fun and have a babysitter.

Not unfit because she went out but unfit because she didn't get out of bed until late in the morning.

 

[floridamomma]

I didn't use to believe that, but that was prior to knowing that everything out of CD's mouth has been one big whopping fabrication.

TF- go check out Erica Parsons thread. This case has nothing on "whopping fabrications"... whew!

 

[inkpink]

I don't think she should be seen as unfit. It depends on what the arrangement between them was though. Maybe JD wasn't supposed to be still babysitting in the morning because CD was there. Only she slept in, then wakes up at 10:00 to find Willow missing. She gets a guilty conscience because she knows she was supposed to be looking after the kids. Perhaps she didn't want to tell LE that no one was officially watching her kids. When I have stayed at my Mum's to babysit my sister so Mum can have a night out, after Mum gets home she is back in charge. I don't know but it's a possibility.

This is exactly where I'm coming from

 

[floridamomma]

Not unfit because she went out but unfit because she didn't get out of bed until late in the morning.

Ummm. Sorry, but just... no. It takes FAR more than that to be deemed unfit. IMO, of course.

 

[dr dona]

Stick poking in throat is a line of BS,.....I have personally seen a child who was leaning on the sharp tip of an umbrella...he stumbled and the tip went into his neck at an upward angle--went thru the mouth and the hard palate.....Called 911--left the umbrella in until they got the kid in the OR.
He is now in college....So the perps story is a line of bull. Le and the atates attorney in Effingham have always been great!!! An old DA ( 20 yrs ago) prosecuted 2 child abuse cases ending in death and got Murder One...her name was Paula Phillips and she is still one of my heros,,

 

[seguek9]

I suspect that he took her out to the pile of sticks and kitty litter for the purpose of killing her without leaving a mess in the house. Kitty litter is very absorbent. Also it is to be expected that dogs would be attracted to the smell of the used cat litter. If search dogs were attracted to the pile of litter a handler might assume it was because of cat smell.

It wouldn't be hard to scoop up bloody kitty litter then dump it in any large commercial dumpster.

If one of the throat wounds is from a stick I suspect it was done after he killed her, to fit his cover story.

Also, if the baby boy did not witness the violence, why was he hysterical when Mom got up? If he saw it happen in the night, did he then go to sleep and wake up still hysterical? Was he awake when Mom got home? Doesn't make sense to me.

MOO

Iirc the story about the boy crying and pointing at the door came from JD and Mom....soooooo.....well pass the salt shaker....

Chances are he saw nothing and was asleep for a lot of what occurred. Moo

 

[scadder21]

I don't see the DCFS thing as a sign of anything immediate. The police are still investigating and at least publicaly there seems to be the possibility of obstruction of justice charges so it makes perfect sense to have the kid for awhile until things are straightened out about what Ciara's future will be.

Regarding the crime scene. Maybe they didn't find the blood in a pile or in the 3rd crime scene because there it was just a lie and the murder happened in the bathroom in the bathtub and the blood was just rinsed down the drain.

I can't imagine someone cutting and stabbing someone 5 times outside wouldn't be noticed especially when the girl seemingly putting up a fight(the defense wounds on the hands).

The defense wounds on the hand are the key. If she was really twitching and about to die she wouldn't have the capacity to try to block and get her hands up because the central nervous system wouldn't be working.

 

[scadder21]

From reading the information released yesterday at the Press Conference I don't think there is any reference to a puncture type would or the stabbings to the heart as JD confessed to.

Is LE even going to mention a part of the case that could be used as evidence for the defense? I would doubt it. I think they release what they need in order to further their own case and to get a conviction.

 

[RhondaIL]

Playing catch up...I read up thread Willow's brother has been taken into the care of DCFS because of report made to their 800 # on Sunday, Sept. 8. LE may have made the call feeling the little boy would be better as far away from the situation as possible. Or maybe a neighbor called it in because of things they had been concerned about and Willow going missing was the final straw.

In the beginning, I think LE did believe Mom's story because that was all they had to go with at that time. Once LE was able to establish the only adults in the home was Mom and Uncle, their questioning about events focused on those two and at some point Mom admitted she had not seen Willow since Mom left Saturday evening.

I believe LE then turned their attention on the Uncle. I am betting he contradicted himself in this interview, he knows he did and why he went to work on Sunday...a hour early.

I think LE knew after interviewing the Uncle the outcome was not going to be a good one.

jmo

 

[crazyladi]

Ummm. Sorry, but just... no. It takes FAR more than that to be deemed unfit. IMO, of course.

I completely agree.

I was a single mother for 7 yrs. I used to fall asleep on the couch when my daughter was very young. I could not stay awake I was extremely exhausted. The worst thing that happened was I woke up to poo all over the place as this was during potty training at 2. It happens. Am I a bad mother? I would say no, I was working full time and I had no help whatsoever and I live with a couple of Chronic illnesses. I am tired all the time.

The child was taken out of her custody for more than just "Sleeping" in. There is more to this story.

However a child was just murdered that there to me makes it okay to remove a child from that environment until this case is over. If the mother was fit to be a parent her child will be returned to her.

 

[citygirl]

He was brought in at 11:00 Monday night, they had already found the body at about 7:30 Monday night. They did not release information to the public that they had found a body till about 5:30 Tuesday morning and it was shortly after that they they said they had arrested a suspect.

Was that the first or second time he was interviewed?
Was he detained after that interview?

 

[scadder21]

I don't know if LE had to call DCFS probably standard procedure in these type of situations until things get resolved. And now the questions about if she's an accomplice make it necessary. Also the safety of the child as it would have still been living in the grandparents house and with what they are going through there has to be a risk of them hurting themselves.

 

[human]

I haven't found any such reference either. I do think that a good prosecutor would tear up the "impalement" story very quickly. Many people have survived this type of injury, but they would have no chance if they were put out of their misery....What a stupid story that murderer came up with!

So far, the US does not allow random people to put others out of their misery.

Otherwise, I could decide someone like JD needs to be put out of his misery. He has to be miserable to be so screwed up