GUILTY IL - Willow Long, 7, Watson, 8 Sept 2013 - #4

[scadder21]

The law in Missouri - the child MUST. be in imminent danger before they can be taken.

1. The child is in need of care and treatment because the parent(s) has neglected him/her or refused to provide proper support, education, medical, surgical or other care required by law;
2. The child is otherwise without proper care, custody or support;
3. The behavior, environment or associations of the child are injurious to his/her welfare or that of others; or
4. The child is charged with an offense not classified as criminal if committed by an adult (status offender).
http://www.dss.mo.gov/cd/info/cwmanual/section4/ch3/sec4ch3sub1_2.htm

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Illinois isn't Missouri though. Different I believe.

 

[scadder21]

Maybe the Grandparent's statement to the media wasn't specific. They just said they left sometime Saturday Night. Instead of detailed because at that point I don't think anyone thought it was the Uncle.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

About blood outside, or lack of it...
Look at these pics of the DeRyke home, taken 9/10/13.

Could the freak have washed away bood with this garden hose?

 

[gngr~snap]

Illinois isn't Missouri though. Different I believe.

Grr I can't find a good link for Illinois.
Generally the rules are the same in every state. (I'm sure there are exceptions)

Illinois may be different.
In my experience a child can't be removed just because someone "thinks " the child is in danger...

There has to be proof. Something that can be documented

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[ToothlessFairy]

About blood outside, or lack of it...

Could the freak have washed away bood with this garden hose?

Respectfully snipped - yes, I think he most likely did. I still believe this happened outside, and not in the bathroom.

 

[Kamille]

Okay, I was told by a mod that if it was in MSM we could discuss it...so that's what I'm going to do (not sleuthing anybody) I'm simply questioning something in the probable cause statement.

According to the probable cause, which I'm reading here: http://fox2now.com/2013/09/11/new-details-emerge-in-death-of-willow-long/

DD and DD (grandparents) are over the road truck drivers and they left the home "sometime" Saturday evening.

I can understand CD (mother) not knowing what time she came home...only that it was at some point after midnight. I doubt she looked at the clock to see when she walked in the door.

But...what I don't understand is why it is stated the grandparents left "sometime" Saturday night.

I worked for a trucking company that shall remain nameless. I worked all sorts of aspects there, a little bit of dispatch, a little bookkeeping, a little everything. Maybe not all trucking companies are the same, but I know of two of them (the one I worked for and another) where the truck drivers HAD to log the times of every departure, every arrival (even if it was just the arrival at a rest stop or stopping to get a bite to eat). They had to log every time...hour and minute. One of them was privately owned (by the trucker) and even he has to log all of that for tax purposes and billing purposes to bill the company for which he is delivering the load.

how come it just says they left "Sometime" Saturday night? Surely the exact time would be in their driving logs.

I'm NOT saying either of them had anything to do with any of this at all...I am simply observing something from the already released probable cause statement...that I am questioning, and I think it is pretty pertinent information considering when Willow's death occurred.

CD left between 7 and 9pm and it is stated in the probable cause that the grandparents left sometime before that. This is what the D family is telling LE, just to be clear. I'm sure there are witnesses at the bar. What's bugging me is the "Sometime" departure of the grandparents in the Probably Cause Statement.

They've also given a two hour window for the time that CD left the house, sometime between 7-9pm. And the grandparents left sometime before her. Not sure why more specific times were not nailed down but that's what LE investigators got from the initial interviews based on the probable cause statement.

 

[seguek9]

Obviously LE is going to withhold a lot of information from the media/public so as not to taint any upcoming trials....

Moo

ETA: we were lucky to get the info we have now--

 

[ctkid]

I watched the Melanie McGuire trial ( convicted, LWOP) and had a lesson in Everything you need to know about Garbage Bags, and EVERYTHING you thought you didn't need to know. I can pretty much guanantee you they have taken any garbage bags from the house and Starbucks, and have probably already started trying to locate lots#, where they where made, sold. I doubt he had a clue they can match the bags down to the marks on the bags in the remaining box to the marks on bags Willow found in ( sorry ) in. Helped convict Melanie. Unless he stopped at a store for them, I'm guessing he took them from home.JMO

There was a case...that the tape came from American Airlines...and tied to the case. I have a brain fart again and cant remember which case. Was is red? Like the tape in Alanna Gallager's case? I think so. Lot numbers have came up a lot, since that case. How many times have I looked inside my toilet paper rolls, for numbers? :doh:

 

[Isabelle]

So far, the US does not allow random people to put others out of their misery.

Otherwise, I could decide someone like JD needs to be put out of his misery. He has to be miserable to be so screwed up

I think human euthanasia with full consent is practiced in Oregon only. And that is in the case of terminal illness or illness so debilitating a person can no longer bear to live.

 

[popsicle]

I can understand them saying that to the media, but with LE...surely they would be able to glean the direct departure time on their log. =/ I'm not questioning their involvement but I would like to know how come it says "sometime" in the actual court doc.

When LE first questioned them they most likely didn't know the exact time. It is not in the statement because it is not important to the facts relating to his arrest. jmo

 

[nao]

blood does congeal quickly, but you could wash away most, but there would be some clumps, but then most or all blood clumps would disappear quickly,- depends when LE looked for blood. cause the blood clumps would be taken by insects and such - pretty quick. jmo moo

 

[gngr~snap]

There was a case...that the tape came from American Airlines...and tied to the case. I have a brain fart again and cant remember which case. Was is red? Like the tape in Alanna Gallager's case? I think so. Lot numbers have came up a lot, since that case. How many times have I looked inside my toilet paper rolls, for numbers? :doh:

Gngr returning from bathroom... Never until just now.
well I'll be durned!

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[scadder21]

maybe the report of what they said is based on what they said to the media and not LE. LE doesn't give all the information they have to the media and that would be an inconsequential part of it I think unless they thought the grandparents were involved which I doubt they believe they were. It would be different though if there was a CC recepiet for Gas in Effingham at midnight Saturday or something like that but there are no indications that's the case.

 

[Ladylub]

Okay, I was told by a mod that if it was in MSM we could discuss it...so that's what I'm going to do (not sleuthing anybody) I'm simply questioning something in the probable cause statement.

According to the probable cause, which I'm reading here: http://fox2now.com/2013/09/11/new-details-emerge-in-death-of-willow-long/

DD and DD (grandparents) are over the road truck drivers and they left the home "sometime" Saturday evening.

I can understand CD (mother) not knowing what time she came home...only that it was at some point after midnight. I doubt she looked at the clock to see when she walked in the door.

But...what I don't understand is why it is stated the grandparents left "sometime" Saturday night.

I worked for a trucking company that shall remain nameless. I worked all sorts of aspects there, a little bit of dispatch, a little bookkeeping, a little everything. Maybe not all trucking companies are the same, but I know of two of them (the one I worked for and another) where the truck drivers HAD to log the times of every departure, every arrival (even if it was just the arrival at a rest stop or stopping to get a bite to eat). They had to log every time...hour and minute. One of them was privately owned (by the trucker) and even he has to log all of that for tax purposes and billing purposes to bill the company for which he is delivering the load.

how come it just says they left "Sometime" Saturday night? Surely the exact time would be in their driving logs.

I'm NOT saying either of them had anything to do with any of this at all...I am simply observing something from the already released probable cause statement...that I am questioning, and I think it is pretty pertinent information considering when Willow's death occurred.

CD left between 7 and 9pm and it is stated in the probable cause that the grandparents left sometime before that. This is what the D family is telling LE, just to be clear. I'm sure there are witnesses at the bar. What's bugging me is the "Sometime" departure of the grandparents in the Probable Cause Statement.

The probable cause statement from my understanding does not need to have full details. It includes just enough to show they are not just guessing that this is the person who committed the crime. Chances are they the grandparents told police the exact time.

 

[Isabelle]

If anyone is wondering why they do or don't take a child away after a missing child report check out this thread: Why doesn't CPS take away the minor children? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community lots of info there, this is from Lisa Irwins case. The mom got drunk and passed out. Her baby girl went missing out of her house and has still not been found 2 years later. There were 2 young boys that are her step sons that she was watching also and they were never removed.

We have no idea what the inside of Willows house looks like. Maybe there was no food or was unsafe. It could also be that the boy was left home alone. I guess we will have to wait and see.

MOO

I suspect someone closely connected to CD called DCFS.

 

[scadder21]

Nice catch there Amanda. I still think dogs would have hit on blood as the other person said they get blood even if it's been washed off or went down the drain. BTW why are we assuming there wasn't a huge crime scene? Just because it hasn't been mentioned yet on the probable cause statement doesn't mean they don't have the scene.

 

[gngr~snap]

If he killed her by stabbing her outsideof her home at 10:30 -11:00 pm on a Saturday night ,he is very brazen.
I see him as evil behind closed doors and as sweet as honey when outside.
moo
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[CurlyQ]

MOO: My "suspicion" is that "N" has been removed from the home to be interviewed by child specialists involved in the investigation. Surely a child of 3, with no "known" developmental delays will speak more than a few words. What he saw (or didn't see) may be EXTREMELY relevant to the case. On another note: I myself have had DCFS called on me because my (at the time) 13 year old son was fishing with a 14 yo after the park closed (night fishing - I was picking them up at 9:00, and this was 7 years ago). They found the "complaint" unwarranted and I never heard from them again. ** MOO MOO MOO **

 

[inkpink]

Gngr returning from bathroom... Never until just now.
well I'll be durned!

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:floorlaugh:

 

[gngr~snap]

MOO: My "suspicion" is that "N" has been removed from the home to be interviewed by child specialists involved in the investigation. Surely a child of 3, with no "known" developmental delays will speak more than a few words. What he saw (or didn't see) may be EXTREMELY relevant to the case. On another note: I myself have had DCFS called on me because my (at the time) 13 year old son was fishing with a 14 yo after the park closed (night fishing - I was picking them up at 9:00, and this was 7 years ago). They found the "complaint" unwarranted and I never heard from them again. ** MOO MOO MOO **

They also have specialists that can glean information through play etc with a non verbal child.

Remember Cassidy Young ?
Her father Jason killed her mom Michelle ...
The toddler re enacted the murder scene at daycare when playing with a doll house.

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