Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #5 *Arrest*

[lindamichelle1]

You should set up a gofund or something Im sure heaps of members here would love to help

 

[WebWoman]

I assume his "confession" described what occurred. And while LE may not have yet or even be able to retrieve YZ, I believe they have some evidence to support his claims, maybe things only he would know. And/or they found evidence that would only be present in a fatal situation.

Another thought, LE hasn't been very forthcoming with information in this case. I was convinced the kidnapper was not a local nor even still in state. They made a point to say they were putting up billboards on the roadways by Chicago and St. Louis. They had BC in their sights since day 3? Why the misdirection? And they've more or less said that they weren't releasing info about the investigation so they wouldn't be tipping off the perpetrator.

Now let's think about the possibility that there could be another person involved. Perhaps one other individual or a group who would want to keep someone imprisoned (ie personal slave, trafficking)... Would LE purposely mislead the public (yes, already proven they will) by giving false information (she is presumed dead)?

Now honestly, I believe, BC is simply a severely depressed individual with some socially unacceptable kinks. I think he became so despondent and dissociative that the lines between reality and fantasy became blurred and he played out some of those kinks (kidnapping, restraints) in real life with an unwilling YZ. Maybe even in order "to feel something" (like an adrenaline junkie or a self-harmer). I think he either panicked or something went too far, he killed her, and disposed of her. I believe, being a bookish intellectual, that he did so in a manner to prevent her being found and or tied to him.

Who knows. I just hope Macon County Jail is keeping a close eye on him for suicidal ideation/attempts.

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I think they would mislead the public so that the real perpetrator would put his guards down, not suspect they were considering him and therefore not feel he was under surveillance. This ultimately allowed him to confess and lead to his arrest. If in the process someone in the public gets offended I doubt LE would care since their tactic worked imo and I'm on board with that.

 

[WebWoman]

To be honest, my gut tells me that YingYing very possibly was never inside BC's apartment. I kinda believe that was just some exaggerated bragging to his 'friend' that we cannot sleuth at this time. I thought, at one time, that I had heard or read that furnishings were among the items taken by LE during the search of his apartment, which may indicate they feel she was there, but later articles that I have seen only mention electronic devices, which, to me anyway, do not necessarily imply that YingYing was ever inside the apartment. JMO

Just because LE took furnishings doesn't mean they thought she was there. They would have to analyze the furniture, take DNA swabs, look for hair follicles and finger prints to make any determination so naturally they took the furniture as it would be bad practice not to. Personally I think his wife would obviously seee them so it wouldn't make sense to unless his wife was out of town or knew about it imo. More likely he drove her straight to a remote location as part of the fettish.

 

[Shiressleuth]

I have thought he possibly pretended to know her, "Don't I know you? Insert name, right?" YZ responds no, and gives her name. Then he takes that as an opening. "Oh you look just like her! Are you a student? I am too. I taught this class, blah blah." YZ feels a little comfortable. He makes small talk and finally asks what she is out here for. "Oh man that bus is never on time, but I can give you a lift since you are running late! Hop in, it is no problem." He built up a common ground w her quickly and being late she may have taken the ride. Just my thoughts, but this has been my idea of how he got her in the car since the beginning.

Perhaps he did know her? Could he have taught any classes she had attended?

 

[WebWoman]

Perhaps he did know her? Could he have taught any classes she had attended?

I doubt she took the physics class he used to teach plus he had already stopped teaching. He was circling the block like a shark looking for a target not likely he would want to pick up someone who knew him imo. Easier to commit such a crime with a stranger I would imagine to disassociate himself from what he's doing.

 

[kittythehare]

I doubt she took the physics class he used to teach plus he had already stopped teaching. He was circling the block like a shark looking for a target not likely he would want to pick up someone who knew him imo. Easier to commit such a crime with a stranger I would imagine.

I really love the shark.. feels so accurate.

 

[kittythehare]

some old info
http://www.illinoishomepage.net/news/local-news/conversation-with-an-accused-kidnapper/755877086

Re his apt location with images

 

[kittythehare]

here is a link to a Chinese article on deep web and dark web and explaining both
Its in Chinese, so use google translate
http://www.geekpark.net/topics/220830

 

[kittythehare]

article dated today.. translation is very poor
http://www.qpeek.com/article/OTBiofb.html


http://news.cnr.cn/native/gd/20170727/t20170727_523871677.shtml
Another article here on darkweb suggesting Christensen participated, ref human trafficking but providing no evidence to this effect.

Good its being investigated, at least

 

[yw0403]

According to the family's lawyer Mr Wang Zhidong who was assigned to the family by the Chinese Consulate of Chicago, the prosecutors had assured that they have enough evidence for the kidnapping charge.

 

[Deleted member 192280]

Don't forget that aside from the recorded conversation, the person to whom BC was talking to has most likely either volunteered or been contacted by LE and could possibly have provided more info, such as what he said off the recording, and what the person himself/herself became aware of without being told by BC. So the recorded conversation was the least the LE knows, which they needed to present to the court in order to keep him detained (otherwise we wouldn't have known even about that).

 

[kittythehare]

Don't forget that aside from the recorded conversation, the person to whom BC was talking to has most likely either volunteered or been contacted by LE and could possibly have provided more info, such as what he said off the recording, and what the person himself/herself became aware of without being told by BC. So the recorded conversation was the least the LE knows, which they needed to present to the court in order to keep him detained (otherwise we wouldn't have known even about that).

True, that.
But I reckon that based on cctv alone they had sufficient to arrest him.. that they waited was that they wanted to observe him, but they had to arrest him after hearing that tape because he was in the course of planning further abductions and targeting victims..
Had they not, and he managed to kidnap another, and it was proved they knew, all hell would have broken loose.

Had he not made his intentions more than clear in that recording, it is possible they would have kept him under close observation for a few days more.
Also bearing in mind the massive resources required for just one person.. huge.
And still, suspects under observation can and do manage to commit further atrocities.

All the skill of the FBI and all the skills of local LE have presumably been brought to bear with this one suspect, who still witholds the truth of her location..
This is no ordinary kidnapper, no ordinary murderer..

 

[SteveP]

True, that.
But I reckon that based on cctv alone they had sufficient to arrest him.. that they waited was that they wanted to observe him, but they had to arrest him after hearing that tape because he was in the course of planning further abductions and targeting victims..
Had they not, and he managed to kidnap another, and it was proved they knew, all hell would have broken loose.

Had he not made his intentions more than clear in that recording, it is possible they would have kept him under close observation for a few days more.
Also bearing in mind the massive resources required for just one person.. huge.
And still, suspects under observation can and do manage to commit further atrocities.

All the skill of the FBI and all the skills of local LE have presumably been brought to bear with this one suspect, who still witholds the truth of her location..
This is no ordinary kidnapper, no ordinary murderer..

Respectfully, at this point, BC has only been charged with kidnapping, and the death penalty is not on the table. There is no real incentive for him to tell investigators where YingYing is. It frankly is to his advantage that she has not been found, especially if she is dead, as seems to be a given. If and when he ever feels it is to his advantage to give up her location, he will. I certainly respect differing opinions, and mine is no better than yours or anyone else's, but I think he is behaving exactly like most murderers I have followed here and elsewhere. The circumstances of his crime may be unique, but his behavior now is not. I guess if anything about his behavior surprises me, it is that, although he is not a hardened criminal who has been in and out of the judicial system, he apparently has adapted to jail life better than I would have thought he might JMO

 

[kittythehare]

Respectfully, at this point, BC has only been charged with kidnapping, and the death penalty is not on the table. There is no real incentive for him to tell investigators where YingYing is. It frankly is to his advantage that she has not been found, especially if she is dead, as seems to be a given. If and when he ever feels it is to his advantage to give up her location, he will. I certainly respect differing opinions, and mine is no better than yours or anyone else's, but I think he is behaving exactly like most murderers I have followed here and elsewhere. The circumstances of his crime may be unique, but his behavior now is not. JMO

BC is charged with kidnapping, but its a missing persons case.
She is still missing.
They have not found her or even clarified whether they believe her death, presumed,is murder, manslaughter or anything at all.

Its not about his behaviour in custody, its about where he left her and how come with all the legal talent brought to bear, speculating, they have not been able to glean any information regarding her whereabouts.

It most likely is a murder but in this unique case, we have no victim, only a missing person. We have no crime scene and we have no relevant information on either the killer or the victim.
Its not all over and its not yet about legal processes or typical behaviour of murderers.

It is still about the location of YingYing Zhang and thats the reason we are sleuthing.
They have not found her, they have electrical and computers and a mobile phone of his, I think its possible they did not seize all of his electronics equipment, he had plenty of time to stash quite a lot.

An FBI interrogation is no small process.. it is extraordinarily difficult to lie during that process.
He has apparently managed not to tell them anything substantive that would lead them to her body or herself still alive, somewhere.

Every case is different, every victim is entirely different.

I would much prefer if they had allowed him to stay free until he led them to where he put her.. it would have taken 40 agents round the clock surveillance, but possibly a better outcome in relation to finding her.
She is not found, he is locked in and lawyered up.
Their investigations have not discovered her.
We keep searching.
What he got up to when he was free to roam the streets.

If our search is not there, where is it?

 

[Wookiegruffles]

At this point is it possible for BC to change his plea to guilty by reason of insanity?

 

[eastcoasterinco]

A poster over on Abby & Libby's thread shared this link and I found some interesting parallels to YingYing's case and it had me thinking about ways BC could have subdued YY. (I know we've covered this topic thoroughly so feel free to scroll and roll, but at any rate this story is incredibly interesting IMO)

http://www.readthehook.com/85777/co...showalter-reynolds-fall-and-rise-darrell-rice

Here's the part that stood out to me:

"Then he attacked. Grabbing her neck, he shoved her head toward his lap. In his right hand, Shomo stated, he held a screwdriver pointing at her neck. He told her to "shut up and put your head down in my lap," but she fought back, elbowing him in the chest as they struggled."

Could it be as simple as this? A physical threat? IMO yes it's very possible this is how he subdued her so quickly. Out of fear she complied, unlike the victim in this story who fought back and ended up being dragged from the vehicle.

It's worth noting that this perp is thought to have tried to pick up at least 8 young women in the timeframe of a week or so.

"The frequency suggests that by Saturday, March 2, 1996, the man was determined to find a victim."

Sadly I think BC was also "determined" if he was indeed the person impersonating an officer in the incidents prior to YingYing's disappearance.



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[kittythehare]

A poster over on Abby & Libby's thread shared this link and I found some interesting parallels to YingYing's case and it had me thinking about ways BC could have subdued YY. (I know we've covered this topic thoroughly so feel free to scroll and roll, but at any rate this story is incredibly interesting IMO)

http://www.readthehook.com/85777/co...showalter-reynolds-fall-and-rise-darrell-rice

Here's the part that stood out to me:

"Then he attacked. Grabbing her neck, he shoved her head toward his lap. In his right hand, Shomo stated, he held a screwdriver pointing at her neck. He told her to "shut up and put your head down in my lap," but she fought back, elbowing him in the chest as they struggled."

Could it be as simple as this? A physical threat? IMO yes it's very possible this is how he subdued her so quickly. Out of fear she complied, unlike the victim in this story who fought back and ended up being dragged from the vehicle.

It's worth noting that this perp is thought to have tried to pick up at least 8 young women in the timeframe of a week or so.

"The frequency suggests that by Saturday, March 2, 1996, the man was determined to find a victim."

Sadly I think BC was also "determined" if he was indeed the person impersonating an officer in the incidents prior to YingYing's disappearance.



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we dont know yet for sure that he tried subduing her fast but thats most likely what happened.
What struck me from your post and my thoughts as well is how quickly he set about targeting a new victim, if what we are told was on the recording is accurate. Very fast..

 

[dreamscape1]

"he apparently has adapted to jail life better than I would have thought he might". He has? Have you heard something Steve?

 

[SteveP]

"he apparently has adapted to jail life better than I would have thought he might". He has? Have you heard something Steve?

Not at all, recently, which is why I assume he is taking it fairly well.

 

[dreamscape1]

Not at all, recently, which is why I assume he is taking it fairly well.

Oh ok. We don't know the dosage, but that klonopin he's on is making things easier for him and that's bull. He's taking it to numb himself. It's given mainly for anxiety and he needs to be feeling all of it. High priced attorneys, drugs to keep him stoned, where's all this money and support coming from I wonder? He comes from a modest income family.