Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #6 *Arrest*

[trunkizback]

Something to just throw out here. Just last year 2 women who were being held in a man's basement as sex slaves for 10 years got someones attention that was walking by and they were rescued. I think it was in Detroit? Anyway my point is, there is that kind of crazy out there.

 

[dm92]

I wonder if he ever got her to a pre-prepared place?
If not I wonder whether that pre-prepared place can be easily located?
Assuming still he intended to prolong the capture of his victim, prior to killing her in some gruesome fashion which he intended filming..

I'm with agilbe in that he did plan on killing her ultimately..

In the same article where the Chinese investigator claims that investigators know she was killed about five hours after being picked up, he also states they are trying to reconstruct the crime scene with evidence from, among other sources, an outdoor site or sites. That could either be a place he took her to tie her up and bag her so he could get her into his apartment, or it could be a place he took her to torture/kill her after having her at his apartment. I lean toward the former scenario because of timing, but it could be the latter or both.

By using the march to target another victim, he showed absolutely no remorse, no guilt, no misgivings at all.Life means very little to him.

I sincerely doubt YingYing was his first victim..

IDK if he was targeting another victim, per se, at the march; seems to me he was just showing off his knowledge and trying to impress his "girlfriend" who was with him, and who he must have presumed was hard-core and into this **** like he was. I think there was no way he could target any of the women at the march precisely; no way he could get to know any of their names and figure out their location and movements day-to day in order to try and take a specific person. More likely, he was just pointing out the type of person he would hunt around for, and then try to take them if he came across one -just like he did with poor Yingying, who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I conclude basically the opposite from you on this. I believe this was his first go at it, but based on his behavior at the march, Yingying was only the beginning. He was going to do it again for sure after some time had passed, and he would continue doing it once he had moved away from CU.......

 

[dm92]

Something to just throw out here. Just last year 2 women who were being held in a man's basement as sex slaves for 10 years got someones attention that was walking by and they were rescued. I think it was in Detroit? Anyway my point is, there is that kind of crazy out there.

Not sure if something like this happened in Detroit as well, but the one I remember was a few years back in Cleveland. Guy was holding three girls in his basement and using them for sex. Kidnapped them between the ages of 13-17 and the longest-held one had been there ten years....

Yes, that type of crazy is DEFINITELY out there, and I take a very dim view of them and their potential for redemption and rehabilitation. They should be thrown in the slammer and never let out at a minimum, and just getting rid of them by giving them the axe (or chair, or needle, or whatever) and being done with it is preferable.

In BC's case, he strikes me as more of the torture-kill type, not the keep-a-sex-slave-for-years type; although, I have no doubt that he would have liked to keep someone and torture them for days or weeks before killing them if he could....

 

[Shiressleuth]

Another scenario could be he incapacitated her in the car immediately and took her somewhere he could put her in his gym bag to carry her into his apartment. While doing this her phone rings (text received?) so he destroys her phone and removes the chip from his, then heads to his apartment and carries her up in the bag. Once in the apartment he finds she has died of asphyxiation. He then has to go straight to his disposal method, drive to woods or a lake etc. This takes up 5 hours till he is back with someone who gives him an alibi (the gym?) or is caught on camera again. MOO.

 

[Laughing]

Another scenario could be he incapacitated her in the car immediately and took her somewhere he could put her in his gym bag to carry her into his apartment. While doing this her phone rings (text received?) so he destroys her phone and removes the chip from his, then heads to his apartment and carries her up in the bag. Once in the apartment he finds she has died of asphyxiation. He then has to go straight to his disposal method, drive to woods or a lake etc. This takes up 5 hours till he is back with someone who gives him an alibi (the gym?) or is caught on camera again. MOO.

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Something didn't go according to plan. This scenario fits what we know.

 

[agilbe]

Another scenario could be he incapacitated her in the car immediately and took her somewhere he could put her in his gym bag to carry her into his apartment. While doing this her phone rings (text received?) so he destroys her phone and removes the chip from his, then heads to his apartment and carries her up in the bag. Once in the apartment he finds she has died of asphyxiation. He then has to go straight to his disposal method, drive to woods or a lake etc. This takes up 5 hours till he is back with someone who gives him an alibi (the gym?) or is caught on camera again. MOO.

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34 minutes. That is the amount of time from when BC picked her up to when the potential landlord texted her. I think your idea of taking her up in the gym bag makes sense, I can't see any other way and people were probably used to seeing him with one. He would have had to pull over some place to get her into the gym bag away from prying eyes. She would have had to already be unconscious by that time. A moving or noisy gym bag would have drawn attention. He could have very easily taken her out in the gym bag as well the next day or even later that night and left the bag in the trunk of his car. JMO

 

[kittythehare]

Another scenario could be he incapacitated her in the car immediately and took her somewhere he could put her in his gym bag to carry her into his apartment. While doing this her phone rings (text received?) so he destroys her phone and removes the chip from his, then heads to his apartment and carries her up in the bag. Once in the apartment he finds she has died of asphyxiation. He then has to go straight to his disposal method, drive to woods or a lake etc. This takes up 5 hours till he is back with someone who gives him an alibi (the gym?) or is caught on camera again. MOO.

Thats a possibility that makes sense, except for the alibi..even if he was seen by himself after the 5 hr period, it does not represent an alibi..
'She was dead within 5 hrs'
Because life is unsustainable after 5 hrs under certain conditions?
what might these be?
Remember the poster that did lots of work investigating the place with the pipes and other apparently vacant buildings in the area? he found the mask that resembled a radiation mask but appeared to be made of metal?

that building would have been really hot..if she had been bound and gagged and held there??

 

[trunkizback]

Remember the poster that did lots of work investigating the place with the pipes and other apparently vacant buildings in the area? he found the mask that resembled a radiation mask but appeared to be made of metal?

Are you talking about Johnson Ross plant? I don't remember anyone saying they searched that, Did I miss that?

 

[kittythehare]

Remember the poster that did lots of work investigating the place with the pipes and other apparently vacant buildings in the area? he found the mask that resembled a radiation mask but appeared to be made of metal?

Are you talking about Johnson Ross plant? I don't remember anyone saying they searched that, Did I miss that?

No. was a few threads back, brain fried and dont know how to find it..it was a hunch we were chasing..
Do you reckon the JR plant is worth searching again? I kind of do.. I know you ' phoned about it.. but I wonder whether he had a place reserved there for his victim.. an obscure place..not sure he ever got her there tho'.. but I reckon its worth a good look?

 

[trunkizback]

No. was a few threads back, brain fried and dont know how to find it..it was a hunch we were chasing..
Do you reckon the JR plant is worth searching again? I kind of do.. I know you ' phoned about it.. but I wonder whether he had a place reserved there for his victim.. an obscure place..not sure he ever got her there tho'.. but I reckon its worth a good look?

I think it would be worth a look, buy I don't know what the FBI does. I'm thinking they must have the answer that we don't. Altho sometimes in my head I imagine them finding out that she is in there and they didn't look because it was just too obvious. Be quite the black eye, eh?

 

[kittythehare]

I think it would be worth a look, buy I don't know what the FBI does. I'm thinking they must have the answer that we don't. Altho sometimes in my head I imagine them finding out that she is in there and they didn't look because it was just too obvious. Be quite the black eye, eh?

Aye.
He passed it twice a day en route to and from the gym, his only known daily activity.
I have asked lots of times whether he walked or drove to gym.. his car was known to have been parked there and there is a photo, in an early thread of him in the gym, looking at his phone.. I think the photo was taken after the abduction..
If his plan was to hold her and torture her, physically mentally spiritually or/ and sexually, then it would have made sense to him to keep her close..for easy access..one does get to know old buildings if one passes them or uses them as a shortcut frequently..
I never found any records of him having visited the site.. but that means nothing.. (I was searching on reddit and sites like that that have it listed)
presumably he never went there after surveillance began.. so if he had a nest or a cave there, its likely it is still intact.

I wonder whether he was lying when he allegedly described her fighting/resisting?
I wonder whether the reason he was in such close physical contact with his companion on the march was because he was stoned out of his mind, and was holding on for balance as much as an attempt to paint a public picture?
I wonder whether any of it is credible? though, LE did state in first indictment 'because of that and other evidence' they had uncovered..

Its just so hard to be working in the dark.. sometimes I just post here to keep the searching alive, not because of any eureka moments.
Your recording and your local knowledge has been immensely helpful.
Do you have any other ideas for a search in his locality?

 

[dm92]

Another scenario could be he incapacitated her in the car immediately and took her somewhere he could put her in his gym bag to carry her into his apartment. While doing this her phone rings (text received?) so he destroys her phone and removes the chip from his, then heads to his apartment and carries her up in the bag. Once in the apartment he finds she has died of asphyxiation. He then has to go straight to his disposal method, drive to woods or a lake etc. This takes up 5 hours till he is back with someone who gives him an alibi (the gym?) or is caught on camera again. MOO.

The only problem with this scenario is that it probably doesn't fit a couple of things from the superseding indictment.

First, the special findings section claims this act was planned and premeditated to cause the death of a person. Her accidentally dying of asphyxiation doesn't seem to me to fit the planned and premeditated part; but, the bigger problem is that second, the act was carried out in an especially cruel, depraved or heinous manner in that it involved torture or severe physical abuse to the victim. While no manner of her dying can be said to be ok, her accidentally dying of asphyxiation while being transported in a bag doesn't seem to fit with the definition of torture or severe physical abuse.

Now, you may say that they are getting their info from his tapped conversations, and he may be lying about and embellishing precisely what he did. I'm sure that's right; but that's part of the reason why it took them about three months to issue the superseding indictment that charges him with killing her: They had to gather more evidence to prove she died and to corroborate what he may have claimed about what he did to her.

People have been known to make up confessions, and certainly lying and embellishing things when you are bragging to a girlfriend or friend about something you did are common events. They couldn't just base the new indictment solely on his conversations and the fact that she had been missing for months. For them to issue the superseding indictment with those special findings and to go for asking the DOJ for the death penalty, they had to forensically analyze the evidence they had, and probably gather more evidence to back up what he claimed.

 

[dm92]

I think it would be worth a look, buy I don't know what the FBI does. I'm thinking they must have the answer that we don't. Altho sometimes in my head I imagine them finding out that she is in there and they didn't look because it was just too obvious. Be quite the black eye, eh?

While I still think the most likely scenario is that he took her to his aprtment, held her there and ultimately tortured and killed her there (because that is where he could be sure to be in complete control of the situation and would have little to no risk of being discovered and interrupted), I do think that plant is worth taking a look at for disposal of her body. You (or someone else) mentioned there is a grease pit there. That sounds like an excellent place to sink a body to conceal it -especially in a place that is abandoned.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

In the same article where the Chinese investigator claims that investigators know she was killed about five hours after being picked up, he also states they are trying to reconstruct the crime scene with evidence from, among other sources, an outdoor site or sites. That could either be a place he took her to tie her up and bag her so he could get her into his apartment, or it could be a place he took her to torture/kill her after having her at his apartment. I lean toward the former scenario because of timing, but it could be the latter or both.



IDK if he was targeting another victim, per se, at the march; seems to me he was just showing off his knowledge and trying to impress his "girlfriend" who was with him, and who he must have presumed was hard-core and into this **** like he was. I think there was no way he could target any of the women at the march precisely; no way he could get to know any of their names and figure out their location and movements day-to day in order to try and take a specific person. More likely, he was just pointing out the type of person he would hunt around for, and then try to take them if he came across one -just like he did with poor Yingying, who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I conclude basically the opposite from you on this. I believe this was his first go at it, but based on his behavior at the march, Yingying was only the beginning. He was going to do it again for sure after some time had passed, and he would continue doing it once he had moved away from CU.......

I know we cannot sleuth her, but this situation with his female friend at the march nags, nags, nags at me. I cannot wrap my mind around what kind of relationship he could have had with her that he would tell her about killing this girl. I want to know why he expected her to be OK with this. It is one of the strangest aspects of this case to me.

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[Maroon10]

I know we cannot sleuth her, but this situation with his female friend at the march nags, nags, nags at me. I cannot wrap my mind around what kind of relationship he could have had with her that he would tell her about killing this girl. I want to know why he expected her to be OK with this. It is one of the strangest aspects of this case to me.

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It is a hard rule we cannot sleuth her or the wife. I have gotten Time Out'd for asking about them earlier in a thread. Just a FYI.

 

[Maroon10]

This while things at this point has a gilberto valle feel to it, imho

 

[Deleted member 158085]

It is a hard rule we cannot sleuth her or the wife. I have gotten Time Out'd for asking about them earlier in a thread. Just a FYI.

I know it's a hard rule. I'm just stating that it continually nags at me that this conversation happened with anyone. I just can't wrap my mind around him believing he could tell anyone about this and that they would be OK with it. It says something about him that he would speak of this out in public without fear. That can be mentioned according to TOS.

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[Webthrush]

Re: searches, does the person who previously claimed knowledge of an ongoing search at a landfill have anything further at this point they feel they can share?

 

[kittythehare]

Re: searches, does the person who previously claimed knowledge of an ongoing search at a landfill have anything further at this point they feel they can share?

Well whether they are digging or not, all we have been told is that they were searching for a bag.. not necessarily a bag containing a body.

 

[dm92]

He passed it twice a day en route to and from the gym, his only known daily activity.
I have asked lots of times whether he walked or drove to gym.. his car was known to have been parked there and there is a photo, in an early thread of him in the gym, looking at his phone.. I think the photo was taken after the abduction..

Do you have a link to that photo? I've never seen it. When you say "after the abduction," do you mean it was taken later that weekend, or sometime in the weeks after her abduction?