Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #6 *Arrest*

[kittythehare]

Yeah thats how i read it. It does say 'by feb 1st' so im assuming the decision could come sooner?

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I wonder? Would be so great if it did.. even though it delays the trial further..

 

[kittythehare]

This may sound like an odd request here but I;m curious where most of you on here are located. I will assume some are not IL local. Even out of country? Reason I ask is , it's hard to describe some of what our area is like. For example, someone brought up the lakes in Loda. On a global map it probably does look perfect, when if you lived here you would see that it is not nearly as rural as dozens of places he would pass just to get there.I do not know how the road system is laisd out in say England or Spain ( just examples ) but here in the US our intersate road system is laid out so as to be a straight shot to wherever you go. Smaller county roads do not cross the interstates. As the interstate intersects a smaller town, there is an overpass built over the local roads. The dirt used to build these come from " barrow " pits. If you google our road system you'll see that as the interstate hiway passes by each small town there will be a water filled pit next to the overpass. Champaign is slightly unusual in that it has access to 3 different interstate hiways. I 72. I 74 and I 57. The I stands for Illinois of course. Odd numbers run north south, while even numbers run east west. So I74 and I57 actually cross each other. So. in a matter of minutes anyone can be on a high speed hiway, heading in any direction.
Let me take this a step further. For BC to get to the Loda lake locations he could be on I74 he would take the exit on I57 north. Now to travel the 30 some miles to get there he would pass over all the small towns on the way. Each one with a barrow pit . from the I57 and I74 exchange on I57 going north he woukld overpass Olympia drive, Market street, Thomasboro, Rantoul, Ludlow, Paxton, and then Loda. But Loda does have an overpass but not an exit. He could go further north to Buckley and exit. Don't get me wrong , not all of these pits are ideal but they do exist. Also keep in mind that as you're travelling along this route I just laid out you are looking at mile after mile of corn and soybean fields.

Thats a great description, thank you for taking the time to write it.
We knew about the cornfields from the beginning but not the roads.. I didn't anyway.. though I've been in USA..
would any of those small towns be likely to have traffic cameras or any cameras at all?
my other question is regarding local knowledge as well.. He picked her up, immobilised her , possibly immediately, with or without assistance.
He then had to find a way to get her into his apartment so he would have needed to make a stop in order to prepare her for carrying.
Are there parts of the city that are semi deserted where he would have known he would not be interrupted in order to make his preparations?
Just anything that is kind of obvious?
wondering about cctv again..

 

[dm92]

Are there parts of the city that are semi deserted where he would have known he would not be interrupted in order to make his preparations?
Just anything that is kind of obvious?
wondering about cctv again..

Crystal lake park is not far from One North. Lots of woods, and there are parking areas in it that would likely be deserted at that time on Friday. If he only needed ~10 minutes to bind her and put her in a bag in the hatch of his car it would probably be doable. Not sure if there are any security cameras in those parking areas.

There are also some rural/quiet areas north of the interstate off of Lincoln that might work.....

 

[Deleted member 158085]

Crystal lake park is not far from One North. Lots of woods, and there are parking areas in it that would likely be deserted at that time on Friday. If he only needed ~10 minutes to bind her and put her in a bag in the hatch of his car it would probably be doable. Not sure if there are any security cameras in those parking areas.

There are also some rural/quiet areas north of the interstate off of Lincoln that might work.....

Lots of rural areas to the west N 74 as well, and I would be surprised if there were any cameras.

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[trunkizback]

Crystal lake park is not far from One North. Lots of woods, and there are parking areas in it that would likely be deserted at that time on Friday. If he only needed ~10 minutes to bind her and put her in a bag in the hatch of his car it would probably be doable. Not sure if there are any security cameras in those parking areas.




There are also some rural/quiet areas north of the interstate off of Lincoln that might work.....

At the risk of me asking yet another dumb question. From what I've heard we know he went north on Goodwin. On the first abduction video, it shows him turning left? at the next street and then drives off. Officially do we know where or which direction he went from there? If he was going north on Goodwin and turned left, then he's going west. which would be away from Crystal lake or even I 74.

 

[kittythehare]

At the risk of me asking yet another dumb question. From what I've heard we know he went north on Goodwin. On the first abduction video, it shows him turning left? at the next street and then drives off. Officially do we know where or which direction he went from there? If he was going north on Goodwin and turned left, then he's going west. which would be away from Crystal lake or even I 74.

No idea but thread 1 had lots of maps and potentials as far as I remember.. I dont know how to link it, sorry..

 

[dm92]

At the risk of me asking yet another dumb question. From what I've heard we know he went north on Goodwin. On the first abduction video, it shows him turning left? at the next street and then drives off. Officially do we know where or which direction he went from there? If he was going north on Goodwin and turned left, then he's going west. which would be away from Crystal lake or even I 74.

I'm going off what was written in the original criminal complaint.

From my memory: He was seen on camera traveling east down University, then turned right onto Goodwin, then turned left onto Clark St in front of Yingying at 2:00PM ( Yingying was waiting for the bus at the corner of Clark and Goodwin under the tree) heading east again on Clark. He then circled back to Goodwin -he is observed turning right onto Goodwin from W. Main ( the next intersection one block south of where Yingying was standing), driving north on Goodwin and pulling up to where she was standing at 2:03. A couple of seconds go by, then she turns and looks back at the car, takes a few steps toward it, then bends over to look into the passenger side window. She talks with him for about a minute, then picks up her bag and gets in the car at 2:04. The complaint then says the car "was observed on video continuing northbound on Goodwin Avenue through W. University Avenue." It says nothing about turning left onto University.

I've never seen any video of the car turning left. I've only seen video of the car coming north up Goodwin and pulling up next to her, then pulling away and heading north after she gets in. It stays in the lane to go straight as the video ends, and does not appear to be moving into the left turn lane. The only other footage I have seen of the car is reference footage of the car taken from another part of campus nearby around 1:50 or so, that shows the cracked hubcap. I have seen a stillshot of the car on the original FBI kidnapping poster that was obviously taken on Goodwin heading south, presumably before he turns left on Clark.

 

[crhedBngr]

This may sound like an odd request here but I;m curious where most of you on here are located. I will assume some are not IL local. Even out of country? Reason I ask is , it's hard to describe some of what our area is like. For example, someone brought up the lakes in Loda. On a global map it probably does look perfect, when if you lived here you would see that it is not nearly as rural as dozens of places he would pass just to get there.I do not know how the road system is laisd out in say England or Spain ( just examples ) but here in the US our intersate road system is laid out so as to be a straight shot to wherever you go. Smaller county roads do not cross the interstates. As the interstate intersects a smaller town, there is an overpass built over the local roads. The dirt used to build these come from " barrow " pits. If you google our road system you'll see that as the interstate hiway passes by each small town there will be a water filled pit next to the overpass. Champaign is slightly unusual in that it has access to 3 different interstate hiways. I 72. I 74 and I 57. The I stands for Illinois of course. Odd numbers run north south, while even numbers run east west. So I74 and I57 actually cross each other. So. in a matter of minutes anyone can be on a high speed hiway, heading in any direction.
Let me take this a step further. For BC to get to the Loda lake locations he could be on I74 he would take the exit on I57 north. Now to travel the 30 some miles to get there he would pass over all the small towns on the way. Each one with a barrow pit . from the I57 and I74 exchange on I57 going north he woukld overpass Olympia drive, Market street, Thomasboro, Rantoul, Ludlow, Paxton, and then Loda. But Loda does have an overpass but not an exit. He could go further north to Buckley and exit. Don't get me wrong , not all of these pits are ideal but they do exist. Also keep in mind that as you're travelling along this route I just laid out you are looking at mile after mile of corn and soybean fields.

RBBM

I was born and raised in North Central Wisconsin; I left there when I was 24. I completely understand about miles and miles of soybeans, corn, grazing land for cattle and just plain wilderness. In the North Central portion of Wisconsin, which BTW includes Stevens Point, where BC is originally from, there are acres of trees and brush. Hiding remains is not difficult; finding them may be more of a challenge. I'm thinking of the Jacob Wetterling case, where the perp finally lead LE to his grave.

I wonder if BC, even as he was growing up, was contemplating a crime like this. Whether he was, or not, he had plenty of isolated places to explore when living in Stevens Point.

I dearly hope and pray - along with the rest of you - that she will be found. Thinking of those desolate locations, though, I strongly fear she will remain missing.

ETA: I've enclosed a photo of a farm and the surrounding lands. In my opinion, this is typical farmland found throughout Wisconsin, Illinois and the surrounding states. Notice all the wilderness adjacent to the farm property.

Image courtesy of Bigstockphotos, purchased by me.

 

[trunkizback]

I'm going off what was written in the original criminal complaint.

From my memory: He was seen on camera traveling east down University, then turned right onto Goodwin, then turned left onto Clark St in front of Yingying at 2:00PM ( Yingying was waiting for the bus at the corner of Clark and Goodwin under the tree) heading east again on Clark. He then circled back to Goodwin -he is observed turning right onto Goodwin from W. Main ( the next intersection one block south of where Yingying was standing), driving north on Goodwin and pulling up to where she was standing at 2:03. A couple of seconds go by, then she turns and looks back at the car, takes a few steps toward it, then bends over to look into the passenger side window. She talks with him for about a minute, then picks up her bag and gets in the car at 2:04. The complaint then says the car "was observed on video continuing northbound on Goodwin Avenue through W. University Avenue." It says nothing about turning left onto University.

I've never seen any video of the car turning left. I've only seen video of the car coming north up Goodwin and pulling up next to her, then pulling away and heading north after she gets in. It stays in the lane to go straight as the video ends, and does not appear to be moving into the left turn lane. The only other footage I have seen of the car is reference footage of the car taken from another part of campus nearby around 1:50 or so, that shows the cracked hubcap. I have seen a stillshot of the car on the original FBI kidnapping poster that was obviously taken on Goodwin heading south, presumably before he turns left on Clark.

Yes . I see my error now. The second part of the original video shows the car from the passenger side. Somehow in my mind I assumed it had turned. All this being now said , does LE have the technology to retrieve data from that vehicle that would precisely pinpoint it's movements?

 

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RBBM

I was born and raised in North Central Wisconsin; I left there when I was 24. I completely understand about miles and miles of soybeans, corn, grazing land for cattle and just plain wilderness. In the North Central portion of Wisconsin, which BTW includes Stevens Point, where BC is originally from, there are acres of trees and brush. Hiding remains is not difficult; finding them may be more of a challenge. I'm thinking of the Jacob Wetterling case, where the perp finally lead LE to his grave.

I wonder if BC, even as he was growing up, was contemplating a crime like this. Whether he was, or not, he had plenty of isolated places to explore when living in Stevens Point.

I dearly hope and pray - along with the rest of you - that she will be found. Thinking of those desolate locations, though, I strongly fear she will remain missing.

ETA: I've enclosed a photo of a farm and the surrounding lands. In my opinion, this is typical farmland found throughout Wisconsin, Illinois and the surrounding states. Notice all the wilderness adjacent to the farm property.

Image courtesy of Bigstockphotos, purchased by me.

Thank you for the description of where he grew up. We used to go to Wisconsin yearly when I was growing up, but I wasn't sure if about what the area he grew up in looked like. When you get down to the Champaign area, we have a lot fewer trees and hills here. That's part of why we went to WI on vacation - because your scenery is much prettier.

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[dm92]

.......All this being now said , does LE have the technology to retrieve data from that vehicle that would precisely pinpoint it's movements?

Yes and no. From what I understand, all cars manufactured since 2004 have a data recorder ( a "black box" if you will) that records direction, speed, temp, odometer readings etc.. and logs turns, gear shifts, breaking etc. original ones made constant reordings as you drive, but the data storage capacity was small; it would record data in ~60 second batches, and constantly re-write over earlier recordings. These are used so that crash scene investigators can get data on what a car was doing in the moments leading up to an accident.

More modern ones now record more data, and for longer times before overwriting. I was told by one mechanic that there are some now that can log data for 30 days. I'm not sure if that is true, but if it is and you got someone's data, you might be able to reconstruct their movements from this data if you know the starting point.

Unfortunately in BC's case, his lousy-assed kidnapmobile is a model year 2008. His car almost certainly does not have a black box that is so sophisticated. So it is entirely possible the FBI could reconstruct his movements -but probably only for a period of a few minutes during the last use of the car before it was impounded by the FBI when they executed the search warrant on the 15th.

 

[trunkizback]

A bit of news for everyone. FOX news at 9:00 is going to do a piece on BC this Wednesday. Not sure of the depth , but the advertisements say they go to his hometown and interview some people who know him from there in Wisconsin. I'm for anything that will kinda get this case back in the public eye.

 

[kittythehare]

A bit of news for everyone. FOX news at 9:00 is going to do a piece on BC this Wednesday. Not sure of the depth , but the advertisements say they go to his hometown and interview some people who know him from there in Wisconsin. I'm for anything that will kinda get this case back in the public eye.

Great. I really wish more media would do this too.. just to inspire one last thorough search..

 

[dm92]

Great. I really wish more media would do this too.. just to inspire one last thorough search..

With fall in full swing, the leaf cover on low tree branches and bushes is going to go away, and things to some extend will become more visible in strands bordering fields and along hiking paths, and along creekbeds. Maybe we will get lucky and this increased visibility might expose something, and someone out walking on a relatively warm fall day will notice something suspicious. Without him talking, I think that is likely the only way she will be found: someone will stumble across something that leads to an intense, thorough search in the immediate area where they find something linked to her.

I do think she is somewhere -be it in a makeshift grave in an out of the way spot, or in a landfill. I doubt he would have the time or the resources to destroy her remains completely. If he were able to access an incinerator on Friday or Saturday night, maybe. But even if he knew the location of one that could accommodate her remains, I seriously doubt he could get access to it or use it without someone noticing.

This was planned and premeditated, so it just may be that the best thought out and most well-executed part of his plan was how to dispose of her. I desperately want them to find her before he might decide to make a deal. I don't want him to be able to use his "success" to save his . This is his only card to play to avoid death; and if the Feds decide not to seek the death penalty, he has no incentive to reveal the location until after the trial -and not only that, but until after any and all appeals are exhausted. It could remain hidden for years and years; and if he is a really nasty piece of work, it could remain hidden forever.......

 

[trunkizback]

I hesitate to even say this , but so goes the ramblings of my mind. What if he had a place already set up for a captive situation? And he took her there? And she/s been chained up?? This is the kinda crap that runs thru my head. He could have rented any number of storage lockers under an assumed name.

 

[kittythehare]

I hesitate to even say this , but so goes the ramblings of my mind. What if he had a place already set up for a captive situation? And he took her there? And she/s been chained up?? This is the kinda crap that runs thru my head. He could have rented any number of storage lockers under an assumed name.

Its quite possible he had access to such a place .

I would like to look at searching for this kind of information..
I'd like to look at searching things that seemed too obvious to be searched back in June.. and were overlooked as a result.
Something must have been overlooked, she has not been found.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

With fall in full swing, the leaf cover on low tree branches and bushes is going to go away, and things to some extend will become more visible in strands bordering fields and along hiking paths, and along creekbeds. Maybe we will get lucky and this increased visibility might expose something, and someone out walking on a relatively warm fall day will notice something suspicious. Without him talking, I think that is likely the only way she will be found: someone will stumble across something that leads to an intense, thorough search in the immediate area where they find something linked to her.

I do think she is somewhere -be it in a makeshift grave in an out of the way spot, or in a landfill. I doubt he would have the time or the resources to destroy her remains completely. If he were able to access an incinerator on Friday or Saturday night, maybe. But even if he knew the location of one that could accommodate her remains, I seriously doubt he could get access to it or use it without someone noticing.

This was planned and premeditated, so it just may be that the best thought out and most well-executed part of his plan was how to dispose of her. I desperately want them to find her before he might decide to make a deal. I don't want him to be able to use his "success" to save his . This is his only card to play to avoid death; and if the Feds decide not to seek the death penalty, he has no incentive to reveal the location until after the trial -and not only that, but until after any and all appeals are exhausted. It could remain hidden for years and years; and if he is a really nasty piece of work, it could remain hidden forever.......

We need to consider that he had the dump site prepared ahead of time. The one murder that happened in my town was done this way. I can't remember how far ahead, but within a few days of the kidnap, rape, and murder of the child, the perp, who was a teenager, dug a shallow grave in a field in anticipation of his crime.

This allowed him to bury her quickly, get back to town, and pretend to be looking for her with the rest of the town.

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[dm92]

We need to consider that he had the dump site prepared ahead of time. The one murder that happened in my town was done this way. I can't remember how far ahead, but within a few days of the kidnap, rape, and murder of the child, the perp, who was a teenager, dug a shallow grave in a field in anticipation of his crime.

This allowed him to bury her quickly, get back to town, and pretend to be looking for her with the rest of the town.

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I think this is very, very possible -and without having to prepare a grave site on the same night of disposal, it would extend the distance he could travel to dispose of her.

 

[dm92]

I hesitate to even say this , but so goes the ramblings of my mind. What if he had a place already set up for a captive situation? And he took her there? And she/s been chained up?? This is the kinda crap that runs thru my head. He could have rented any number of storage lockers under an assumed name.

So, had her someplace for repeated rounds of abuse, and then when the police were onto him, he just abandoned her there?

I doubt this would be the case for a number of reasons.

1) He was a recent grad and unemployed, and his wife doesn't make that much. Storage places aren't that expensive, but it is an extra expense per month he might not be able to afford. Also, in terms of his potential idea to make this last a long time -the longer he has her, the more of an investment this is -and the greater the risk it is. He has to spend time and $ to travel to her location, keep her alive, and make sure no one discovers her. The longer he has her alive, the greater the potential that something would happen that would lead to someone discovering her.

This was one of the reasons they were surveilling him from the 16th on instead of arresting him immediately: they wanted to see if he would lead them to her. He didn't. Maybe he was smart enough to realize they would be following him, but maybe not. He wasn't so smart that he avoided falling for the FBI's trick of announcing they had located the Saturn Astra on June 27th -so maybe he didn't realize he was being surveilled at all........

2) You rent things from an owner, and eventually an owner will check out a rented unit on which the rent payments are no longer being made -and if he paid ahead of time, eventually they will open it up when the lease is up and there has been no re-rental.

3) Investigators are not infallible, but they do this as their day job, and the FBI is pretty good at it. I'm sure this possibility has crossed their mind, and they have been checking with storage places within a reasonable radius of town to see if anyone matching his description has rented a unit, and have been going through his financial and internet records to see if anything suggests he may have rented something under an assumed name. Also, if they found any fake ID(s) when searching through his stuff, you can be sure they are using that to see if he has done anything relevant recently using that fake ID......

 

[trunkizback]

With fall in full swing, the leaf cover on low tree branches and bushes is going to go away, and things to some extend will become more visible in strands bordering fields and along hiking paths, and along creekbeds. Maybe we will get lucky and this increased visibility might expose something, and someone out walking on a relatively warm fall day will notice something suspicious. Without him talking, I think that is likely the only way she will be found: someone will stumble across something that leads to an intense, thorough search in the immediate area where they find something linked to her.

I do think she is somewhere -be it in a makeshift grave in an out of the way spot, or in a landfill. I doubt he would have the time or the resources to destroy her remains completely. If he were able to access an incinerator on Friday or Saturday night, maybe. But even if he knew the location of one that could accommodate her remains, I seriously doubt he could get access to it or use it without someone noticing.

This was planned and premeditated, so it just may be that the best thought out and most well-executed part of his plan was how to dispose of her. I desperately want them to find her before he might decide to make a deal. I don't want him to be able to use his "success" to save his . This is his only card to play to avoid death; and if the Feds decide not to seek the death penalty, he has no incentive to reveal the location until after the trial -and not only that, but until after any and all appeals are exhausted. It could remain hidden for years and years; and if he is a really nasty piece of work, it could remain hidden forever.......

I live in one of the small towns within a 15 mile area of Champaign , IL. As the YY case drags on it unfortunately takes my mind back to some other missing person cases that we've had to endure. Sorry if this is a bit of a read, but I didn't know any other way to post this. Both of these young women went missing and to date have never been found. I've lived in this area most of my life and although I can't find any info yet, there has also been another 2 cases . I'm estimating times here now, but somewhere around 1975 to 1980 a girl named Penny Lease and a young man named Mark Fox both disappeared and also have never been seen or heard of since.

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Jamie Harper - Paxton IL - missing 3/9/07 « on: October 17, 2007, 10:46:01 AM »

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JAMIE HARPER
Vital Statistics at Time of Disappearance



Missing Since: March 9, 2007 from Paxton, Illinois
Classification: Endangered Missing
Age: 20
Height: 5'0"
Weight: 125 lbs.
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Race: White
Gender: Female
Distinguishing Characteristics: Unknown tribal design
tattoo on small of back.
Medical Conditions: Has epilepsy; hasn't had needed
medication since she went missing.
Clothing: Blue jeans, white jacket, sandals, carrying
small black bag.
Jewelry: Nose ring in left nostril.
Fingerprints: Yes


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Details of Disappearance

Jamie was last seen on March 9, 2007 in Paxton, Illinois. She left to go to a party in Rantoul, Illinois with her boyfriend and said she would be back the next morning. Her boyfriend had things to take care of and she was going to find a ride home but no one has seen her since. She has epilepsy and does not have medication with her.

Shortly after her disappearance, police received a tip from an anonymous caller that Jamie had overdosed, and her body had been disposed of in an area southeast of Paxton known as Dogtown. The area, which includes three gravel pits, has been searched, but no evidence was found.

According to Crime Library, the chief of police has noted similarities between Jamie's disappearance and that of Heather Dawn Mullins Zimmerman . Some of the same people may be involved. A tipster had also called in to a news station in 1997 stating that Heather would be found in the Dogtown gravel pits. Foul play has not been ruled out in either disappearance.


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Investigating Agency
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Paxton Police Department
Officer Robert Bane
(217) 379-4315
OR
Rantoul Police Department
(217) 892-2103

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Re: Jamie Harper - Paxton IL - missing 3/9/07 « Reply #1 on: October 17, 2007, 10:48:04 AM »

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Missing Persons Connection
Reported by: Sarah Jindra / WCIA 3 NEWS
Monday, May 14, 2007 @11:44pm CST

The link stems from a man police are now calling a "person of interest" in both cases. They made the connection while searching for 20-year-old Jamie Harper of Paxton. She was last seen at a party in Rantoul. For the family of Heather Zimmerman, who disappeared 10 years ago, it's a story that sounds eerily familiar .

When Zimmerman's family heard the news about Jamie Harper, it was just news. Until more details came out That's when they got a glimmer of hope, that the similarities in both cases, could help answer their questions.

"It's been a long ten years. But we just go day by day, and just hope something will come up," says Zimmerman's mother, Ann Mullins. For a decade, Mullins has been wondering what happened to her daughter.

Gifford police began searching for 19-year-old Heather Zimmerman after she disappeared in 1997. Her parents say she left to go out with friends and never returned. Now police say they've learned some of the people who were last seen with Zimmerman, were also those last seen with Jamie Harper. In fact, they say their "person of interest" in both cases is the same man.

And the similarities continue. After Zimmerman's disappearance, an anonymous person called us here at WCIA, and said her body was at the dogtown pits. That launched a massive search at the time. And police got the same tip to look for Harper in the gravel pits.

But again, they came up empty handed. It was an emotional time for Harper's mother. Ann Mullins reached out and called her, to share the pain. "I told her I know exactly where you're at and how you're feeling," Mullins shared.

Two women, ten years apart. Similar looks, age and social circles. And now both of their families share one goal. To have the person accountable held responsible.

Police wouldn't go into details about their "person of interest," just that they've questioned him. If you have any details, you're urged to call police.

Zimmerman's family is planning a remembrance ceremony for May 26th in Gifford. Its the 10th anniversary of Heather's disappearance.


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