Deceased/Not Found IL - Yingying Zhang, 26, Urbana, 9 June 2017 #7 *Arrest*

[Deleted member 102539]

We have no clue at all, today is first we heard of it.
It's on this http://www.news-gazette.com/sites/a...ice_of_Intent_to_Seek_a_Sentence_of_Death.pdf

What does it mean (paragraph 3/4):
"... other than one of the participants in the offense ..."

Please, explain to a German member who sometimes has a problem in understanding/translation. I don't think there were 2 participants plus YY?

 

[Two for the road]

Basically that the offender used force and knew he was putting someone else at grave risk. They can't exactly say BC instead of other than one of the participants because at this point the crimes are still allegations and not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[altojack]

What does it mean (paragraph 3/4):
"... other than one of the participants in the offense ..."

Please, explain to a German member who sometimes has a problem in understanding/translation. I don't think there were 2 participants plus YY?

Ive read the same line over and over again trying to work it out. I first took it to mean there was someone else involved or just BC. Or do they mean the two participants were BC and YY, but that doesn’t seem right.

maybe someone else can throw myself and FromGermany a line here and straighten us out please.

 

[Webthrush]

Ive read the same line over and over again trying to work it out. I first took it to mean there was someone else involved or just BC. Or do they mean the two participants were BC and YY, but that doesn’t seem right.

maybe someone else can throw myself and FromGermany a line here and straighten us out please.

yeah, I think "Two for the road" above has it right; it's just awkward legalese for stating the general case where "participants" (which could better be read as perpetrators) committed an act or offense that directly led to the death of a victim (but in this specific instance there's only one participant/perpetrator).

 

[kittythehare]

yeah, what else indeed!? I had checked unsolved crimes in Wisconsin earlier and now just did a quick check of cold cases in Illinois here (limiting myself to females within last 10 yrs.):
http://ilcoldcases.blogspot.com

...but nothing really jumps out to me (and I don't know if BC ever came to Illinois prior to admission to UofI?).

I can't get away from his phrase of "avoiding detection" for additional crimes -- could just be false braggadocio as some suggest, but could also imply his delusional 'perfection' over time of certain methods/procedures.
The words, "heinous," "cruel," "depraved," "torture," from the documents keep jumping out too -- LE must have some pretty serious/solid evidence to be employing such terms (...didn't someone way back try to check for BC's various aliases on necrophilia-type sites and of course BDSM sites?) There's so much of this guy's history and travels we're still missing.

I deeply doubt they would put any semblance to false braggadocio on a document signalling intent to prosecute as a death penalty case.

It is far too serious a matter.

In relation to the two, I stumbled a bit over the wording too and I had to read it a few times to understand it is indeed legalise.. It also seems to mean there were no other participants. He acted alone.
one other thing struck me, might be a moot point.. but I wonder whether they discovered footage of his time with her on his cell phone and whether that constituted any aspect of the interstate thingy on the warrant. It's not important..
This is gonna be a long wait for a trial now.
wondering what we should be doing while we wait?
I'm still open to exploring search ideas..I just don't know what we're looking for anymore, having read the words concealed or destroyed on dP yesterday.

I feel very downcast now
I am deeply upset about wire girl being exposed as a half baked lunatic by the defense when there was no reason to do it in the manner they did if they were only really questioning the legality of the procedure employed by the FBI.

That girl, more than anybody, has done more towards saving very many lives.

BC was an arch manipulator, expert at concealing.
Now we await poor YY's desecration at the hands of the defense?

When I think of how her poor family must have slaved to get the money for her education, how hard she worked to earn her place in college , they lost their child, she lost her life and now the public will be entertained by a defense who feel divinely entitled to kill her again, with impunity.

 

[crhedBngr]

26 years ago I was kidnapped by two men I knew and taken out to the country. When I realized what was happening and what they were going to do to me, I jumped out a window of the moving vehicle and ran into a cornfield. I was 17. I never reported it because I didn't think I would be believed. It was two men's words against mine.

It's not her fault that this happened to YY. There are many reasons she may not have reported it.

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{{{HUGS}}}} to you. I'm so very, very sorry this happened to you, and I'm very glad you escaped.

 

[kittythehare]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ath-penalty-ui-kidnapping-20180119-story.html


http://abcnews.go.com/International...k-death-penalty-missing-scholar-case-52473447

more detail on Chicago link

 

[eastcoasterinco]

http://abcnews.go.com/International...k-death-penalty-missing-scholar-case-52473447

“Her disappearance prompted a massive search that drew international media attention, particularly from China.”

Was there really a search? AFAIK there has never been an official search for YY, but maybe I’m misremembering? Was there a search early on? TIA


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[trunkizback]

http://abcnews.go.com/International...k-death-penalty-missing-scholar-case-52473447

“Her disappearance prompted a massive search that drew international media attention, particularly from China.”

Was there really a search? AFAIK there has never been an official search for YY, but maybe I’m misremembering? Was there a search early on? TIA


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I live about 15 miles from the U of I. How I remember is when YY first went missing there was a very large effort for people to search for her and for the black car. In between the time she disappeared and the FBI arrested BC, The FBI already had eyes and ears on BC. And they conducted a few local searches IE; the small pond and the factory that is very close. On the day of BC's arrest the FBI made the statement that " we believe her to be dead ". This was to be nearly the last communication the public would get from LE. I know it infuriated me at the time . I'll again reiterate that as a member of the public , I am not privvy to the inside info that LE has. But anyway, from that point on , any real searches were nonexistant, The Chinese community kept the story alive and held vigils, but neither LE or the FBI was in any way vocal in having people do any searching, As we have come to the conclusion that the FBI is sitting on some pretty solid evidence that YY is dead and to some extent " un findable ", We're pretty much relegated now to waiting for the trial to see just what the FBI does have on this,
I will repeat that I am in no way a lawyer or any kind of legal expert but I will also say again, The way the FBI has stayed mum on every single aspect of this case has irritated me from the day they arrested BC, What especially grinds my gears is after LE had to produce their evidence to the defense, I see no reason that it can't be made public at that time, As much as this whole case has upset me ( as just a member of the public ) I still just can't fathom the pain the Zhaang family is dealing with on a continuing basis,

 

[dm92]

http://abcnews.go.com/International...k-death-penalty-missing-scholar-case-52473447

“Her disappearance prompted a massive search that drew international media attention, particularly from China.”

Was there really a search? AFAIK there has never been an official search for YY, but maybe I’m misremembering? Was there a search early on? TIA


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Yes, there was a pretty sizable search of the areas surrounding between where she was last seen and One North (the complex where she was supposed to sign her lease) in the days immediately after her disappearance. Chinese student groups also organized searches of other areas around town.

After the arrest, they asked people to continue to contact them if they had any information or found anything suspicious, but they have never called to organize a large, coordinated search of different areas. I have a feeling this is because information from the investigation has suggested he either put her in a body of water or some other type of place that would not be easily accessible to the public for searching, or they have determined that he likely destroyed the remains somehow. IF they now think he destroyed her, this must be a relatively recent determination, as at least as recently as late October, they were still searching for her, according to her family's lawyer.

 

[dm92]

IThe way the FBI has stayed mum on every single aspect of this case has irritated me from the day they arrested BC, What especially grinds my gears is after LE had to produce their evidence to the defense, I see no reason that it can't be made public at that time, As much as this whole case has upset me ( as just a member of the public ) I still just can't fathom the pain the Zhaang family is dealing with on a continuing basis,

Remember: can't release anything that might taint the jury pool. The more they release, the harder it will be to find an impartial jury. This is a big concern, as difficulties with a jury can turn in to the type of thing that can get a conviction overturned. You can tell this is still a concern, because on the day that BC's defense filed all the motions to exclude taped recordings, his wife's interviews, and to change the venue, the prosecution filed a single motion asking that a name of a witness and some of their testimony be filed under seal, in order to protect the witness' identity, and "to avoid further potential public condemnation of the accused." They don't want the info getting out yet, because if it did, it would be spread in the news, and the info might be so bad that it would spread in the public enough that it would make it even MORE difficult to get an impartial jury and thus give him the fair trial that is required.

It is extremely frustrating. I know at some point right before the trial, investigators and the prosecution will probably sit down with the family and tell them what they know about what happened, but it might be a while still since everything will be delayed due to the prosecution seeking death.

I would hope that if they know her remains were destroyed, they would tell the family this sooner rather than dragging it out for months and months...

 

[Webthrush]

“Her disappearance prompted a massive search that drew international media attention, particularly from China.”

I think the above news quote is rather ambiguous, and may only be referring to the ‘massive search’ for the black Astra, following her abduction, when posters and even billboards were going up far and wide, as far away as Chicago & St. Louis (i.e., it may not be referencing so much any search for her body). It seems to me that from the time police publicly announced they had located the Astra (and gave out no further info) there was no longer any emphasis on searching for YY (and they already had several tapes of BC by then, though not yet the vigil tape).
We do know there was some searching of obvious areas near BC’s apt. but nothing that I’d call a 'massive search.'

A sidenote: now we know he (alledgedly) assaulted/strangled a woman in 2013, the year he arrived in Champaign, even if never charged. Does anyone really believe he went from 2013 to 2017 as a choirboy until YY came along! Since he got away with the 2013 offense, again might be worth looking for unsolved cases against young (petite/Asian perhaps???) women in Illinois just in that 4-yr. period — I wasn’t able to come up with anything, but maybe someone can.

 

[Two for the road]

A sidenote: now we know he (alledgedly) assaulted/strangled a woman in 2013, the year he arrived in Champaign, even if never charged. Does anyone really believe he went from 2013 to 2017 as a choirboy until YY came along! Since he got away with the 2013 offense, again might be worth looking for unsolved cases against young (petite/Asian perhaps???) women in Illinois just in that 4-yr. period — I wasn’t able to come up with anything, but maybe someone can.

He allegedly said he wanted to kill a woman in every age group (Chinese news source said he wrote that in his journal) perhaps widen that search to women missing since he arrived.

I don't necessarily think he took a 4 yr hiatus, however, he did have his "victims" from s&m to fill those 4 years with. It may have just taken those years to get him to the point of murder. I have only been in the UC area since 2015 so I wouldn't know of any disappearances before then. There have been a few murders since I've been here but they are mostly gang related.

 

[Skigirl]

I haven’t read the latest document very closely...do we know how this victim MD came into the story? Is it something he bragged about to another inmate? This has to have been a victim who didn’t report the assault as he didn’t have criminal record prior to this. Correct?

Further questions we don’t know the answer to but are swirling in my head...did his wife know of his sexual violence? Did she know of victims during their marriage? You have to wonder if this victim MD had reported that assault... would YY still be here today?

I am totally speculating, but I have to wonder if it happened on the U of I campus and MD was a fellow student...and that the Title 9 office decided at the time that it wasn't true or there wasn't enough evidence.

 

[dm92]

I am totally speculating, but I have to wonder if it happened on the U of I campus and MD was a fellow student...and that the Title 9 office decided at the time that it wasn't true or there wasn't enough evidence.

That's possible, but I tend to think it is more likely to be someone he met via FetLife or some other BDSM site who is not associated with the university. Universities, even back in 2013, are very big on reporting and investigating these incidents, and often times still pursue punishment against guys accused of this stuff, even if law enforcement does not bring charges. Universities use a much lower burden of proof than LE does

My guess is for various reasons, she just decided not to pursue it. IF she were a fellow student and reported it, it would have been investigated and and there would certainly be a disciplinary record of it. BC had no disciplinary issues on his record here.

 

[Skigirl]

That's possible, but I tend to think it is more likely to be someone he met via FetLife or some other BDSM site who is not associated with the university. Universities, even back in 2013, are very big on reporting and investigating these incidents, and often times still pursue punishment against guys accused of this stuff, even if law enforcement does not bring charges. Universities use a much lower burden of proof than LE does

My guess is for various reasons, she just decided not to pursue it. IF she were a fellow student and reported it, it would have been investigated and and there would certainly be a disciplinary record of it. BC had no disciplinary issues on his record here.

Actually, there are many, many times when women report sexual assaults on campus at universities and they are talked out of moving forward with their claims by the Title 9 officer or other members of the administration. The burden of proof is lower...but first the victim/survivor has to decide to pursue it, and then s/he has to be believed. That has been changing over the last couple years, but things were worse five years ago than they are now. That is something I know because I was a faculty member at a university and it's been a topic of great concern to many. That said, I have no idea whether she was a student or not, whether it was reported at the time, or not, and if reported, to whom.

 

[kittythehare]

Actually, there are many, many times when women report sexual assaults on campus and universities and they are talked out of moving forward with their claims by the Title 9 officer or other members of the administration. The burden of proof is lower...but first the victim/survivor has to decide to pursue it, and then s/he has to be believed. That has been changing over the last couple years, but things were worse five years ago than they are now. That is something I know because I was a faculty member at a university and it's been a topic of great concern to many. That said, I have no idea whether it was a student or not, whether it was reported at the time, or not, and if reported, to whom.

i think that sounds pretty feasible..
He had been married for 2 yrs at the time.
His wife's maiden name did not begin with the letter D.

There is no way to know what age he was when he developed these traits... whether they were progressive or not.
LE know that he is very good at covering his tracks.. that may suggest he was very confident in his dealings with them
or it may indicate a long trail of misery that they have discovered.. there may well be others.
He excelled in academia.. was a popular teaching assistant, he probably had his pick and it's likely he used it.

 

[Webthrush]

That's possible, but I tend to think it is more likely to be someone he met via FetLife or some other BDSM site who is not associated with the university. Universities, even back in 2013, are very big on reporting and investigating these incidents, and often times still pursue punishment against guys accused of this stuff, even if law enforcement does not bring charges. Universities use a much lower burden of proof than LE does

My guess is for various reasons, she just decided not to pursue it. IF she were a fellow student and reported it, it would have been investigated and and there would certainly be a disciplinary record of it. BC had no disciplinary issues on his record here.

I just quickly checked what records I could find of assaults on campus for 2013 and nothing jumped out (but I was surprised how sparse the records were, so I’m sure many weren't reported).
I too lean toward it being someone he met through FetLife or just picked up in a bar one night or other casual encounter. As someone else suggested, they probably didn’t press charges, but when they saw him arrested for YY, said ‘OMG I’ve got to tell LE about my experience 4 years ago.’

 

[mrsobrien]

He allegedly said he wanted to kill a woman in every age group (Chinese news source said he wrote that in his journal) perhaps widen that search to women missing since he arrived.

I don't necessarily think he took a 4 yr hiatus, however, he did have his "victims" from s&m to fill those 4 years with. It may have just taken those years to get him to the point of murder. I have only been in the UC area since 2015 so I wouldn't know of any disappearances before then. There have been a few murders since I've been here but they are mostly gang related.

Can you please link to the source which refers to a journal? I can't find this.

 

[ShHolmz]

yeah, what else indeed!? I had checked unsolved crimes in Wisconsin earlier and now just did a quick check of cold cases in Illinois here (limiting myself to females within last 10 yrs.):
http://ilcoldcases.blogspot.com

...but nothing really jumps out to me (and I don't know if BC ever came to Illinois prior to admission to UofI?).

I can't get away from his phrase of "avoiding detection" for additional crimes -- could just be false braggadocio as some suggest, but could also imply his delusional 'perfection' over time of certain methods/procedures.
The words, "heinous," "cruel," "depraved," "torture," from the documents keep jumping out too -- LE must have some pretty serious/solid evidence to be employing such terms (...didn't someone way back try to check for BC's various aliases on necrophilia-type sites and of course BDSM sites?) There's so much of this guy's history and travels we're still missing.

IMO. ... Something happened in May(ish). Mrs. OBrien posted screenshots of the changes he made to his fetish account. It is my belief that he participated in something awful that whet his appetite for these terrible things. His choices of things he wanted to act out went darker and he changed his screen name.