I'm so angry part 2

[Tom'sGirl]

This is too much


http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5280340-117540,00.html

Storm water for sale on eBay

David Teather in New York
Thursday September 8, 2005

Guardian

The chance to make a quick buck from Hurricane Katrina has not escaped some, with items on eBay including a "rain-soaked newspaper" delivered on the day the storm hit the American south, jars of rainwater and a message in a bottle that supposedly led to the rescue of several families.
Among other items on sale on eBay yesterday was a scribbling that a Texan "artist" claims he drew after waking from a dream 10 days before the storm, which uncannily resembles satellite pictures of Katrina. One man, claiming to be a survivor of the catastrophe, is offering the rights to his story, starting at $12,500 (£6,800).

Disgusting, didn't this type of crap go on eBay after 9/11 also?

 

[Dara]

Disgusting, didn't this type of crap go on eBay after 9/11 also?

I'm pretty sure it did, but I think if you report it eBay pulls the auction.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Gee, we have a wonderful emergency manager (I am hoping). Don't you guys participate in mock drills. I know we do....and then the results are reported on the news. We have all sorts of scenerios such as what if no electricity to pump the gas etc.

Our agency does all kinds of mock drills, yes. The Wednesday before Katrina, we had a District Emergency Mgmt drill - "issues" (can't say what) at a nuclear plant. We have that specific one about every 6 months. But this has gotten me thinking (a lot)...and since I've been there, we haven't had a tornado drill, that I'm aware of, and we're in tornado alley! Of course, the CITY here would be in charge of coordinating shelters, food, etc. And I can't tell you where the shelters are! (I may go venturing into the City/County websites to see what I can find.) I know there was a "Hurricane Conference" held in Corpus Christi last April, wonder if anyone from LA attended. We also have other coordinated disaster drills periodically. All local agencies, etc. And yes, it's always in the news, before and after the actual events.

DD ...>>>> who needs to go find her City's disaster plan, rather than focusing on her work's plan.

 

[marrigotti]

Yep. The Red Cross was blocked from giving relief by the State of Louisiana.

http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2005/09/04-week/index.php#a000211

 

[Sally]

This is too much


http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5280340-117540,00.html

Storm water for sale on eBay

David Teather in New York
Thursday September 8, 2005

Guardian

The chance to make a quick buck from Hurricane Katrina has not escaped some, with items on eBay including a "rain-soaked newspaper" delivered on the day the storm hit the American south, jars of rainwater and a message in a bottle that supposedly led to the rescue of several families.
Among other items on sale on eBay yesterday was a scribbling that a Texan "artist" claims he drew after waking from a dream 10 days before the storm, which uncannily resembles satellite pictures of Katrina. One man, claiming to be a survivor of the catastrophe, is offering the rights to his story, starting at $12,500 (£6,800).

ROFL...people crack me up.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Our agency does all kinds of mock drills, yes. The Wednesday before Katrina, we had a District Emergency Mgmt drill - "issues" (can't say what) at a nuclear plant. We have that specific one about every 6 months. But this has gotten me thinking (a lot)...and since I've been there, we haven't had a tornado drill, that I'm aware of, and we're in tornado alley! Of course, the CITY here would be in charge of coordinating shelters, food, etc. And I can't tell you where the shelters are! (I may go venturing into the City/County websites to see what I can find.) I know there was a "Hurricane Conference" held in Corpus Christi last April, wonder if anyone from LA attended. We also have other coordinated disaster drills periodically. All local agencies, etc. And yes, it's always in the news, before and after the actual events.

DD ...>>>> who needs to go find her City's disaster plan, rather than focusing on her work's plan.

Same goes here in my area/s, San Diego, Riverside, San Bernardino & Orange Counties all seem to have disaster drills, BUT I've never learned where the shelters were to house the millions!

My suburb has only about 90,000 and I doubt that our Mayor would have a clue what to do. I have my ideas of where I'd get to, but then I wouldn't be under water like NO, it would rather more than likely be an earthquake.

 

[cynder]

There were multiple reasons why the Red Cross did not enter New Orleans - among them were security and safety concerns along with not encouraging people to stay in New Orleans.
Here is the WHOLE statement directly from the Red Cross Site


"Disaster FAQs
Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?
Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

The Red Cross shares the nation’s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.

The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.
http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html#4524

 

[KrazyKollector]

These citizens didn't move in the night before the hurricane. They have been there for years.
This should have all been spelled out in the city/state disaster evacuation plan. If the governor and the mayor did not know what to do in case of emergncy they should have FOUND out and asked for help before a hurricane ever hit. Years before it hit. We even knew what the possibilties for devastation were.It is their job to support it's citizens for 72 hours before FEMA ever arrives. If they did not have the resources it was their responsibilty to get them.

I think the more that comes out, the more it's going to show that the only people failing the people of NO were the people they elected locally and state.
I just love it whenever anyone brings up the STATE and LOCAL disaster plan, including the school buses, a few liberals twist it into a way to make the Gov and mayor look less like idiots. Doesn't work, they still look like idiots.
Heck, they could have moved the buses to high grounds and couldn't even do that.
Well, the state and local failures run so deep, no wonder they feel the need to try and shift blame. They are responsible, all by themselves, for the death of hundreds at the very least.

I also heard this today, which could explain why it's been politicized so badly:
"Democrats lost 9/11 to Bush. They don't plan to lose two disasters to him."
Not sure if it's true or not but I keep hearing things that just are ludicrious (like Pelosi's "conversation" with the President). I keep waiting for Howard Dean to give out another war whoop.

Warning: Conservative web site ahead.


1999 Hurricane Swamped Clinton's FEMA Democrats led by Sen. Hillary Clinton are blaming the Federal Emergency Management Agency for failing to respond adequately to the Hurricane Katrina disaster.

But FEMA didn't do much better under much less taxing conditions, when the floods that followed Hurricane Floyd left tens of thousands stranded up and down the Eastern seaboard, wondering what happened to federal rescuers.

Story continues:http://cl.e.newsmax.com/?ffcc17-fe611771756c057e7c11-fe1f15797d6c017d751d78-ff2c1d70746d

I guess that no matter what political party you are, you best be set to care for yourself and have your local people able to deal with all of the fallout for at least 72 hours. Unless God would become President. He might be able to manage it all a bit better.

Edited to fix what was said in the preceeding pages that I didn't know about.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Yep. The Red Cross was blocked from giving relief by the State of Louisiana.

http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2005/09/04-week/index.php#a000211

Hi Marrigotti :dance:

Back on Wednesday, 8/31, I posted something from an LE internal memo we had, which stated the STATE of LA would NOT be allowing any volunteer organizations, etc. trying to get into the state to provide assistance, unless they were approved through the State's Operations Center. Our agency was trying to get the word out, because so many people/groups were indeed trying to go and help.

I am shocked at this. I never imagined the RedCross would be turned away. Gee, I guess the RedCross had to call the State OC 1-800 number as well and wait for approval to cross the state lines. :doh:

When the story first broke, I figured it was due to the safety of the volunteers going in. But now, it's making more sense that the State OC was blocking ALL at the state lines, not just at the dangerous areas in NO.

Thanks for the info.

 

[JBean]

JBean,
I heard today that LA has their own FEMA type disaster response group? Could you please ask your sister?
I think the more that comes out, the more it's going to show that the only people failing the people of NO were the people they elected locally and state.
http://cl.e.newsmax.com/?ffcc17-fe611771756c057e7c11-fe1f15797d6c017d751d78-ff2c1d70746d

I guess that no matter what political party you are, you best be set to care for yourself and have your local people able to deal with all of the fallout for at least 72 hours. Unless God would become President. He might be able to manage it all a bit better.

All states have an emergency management agency;
Here is LA http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Same goes here in my area/s, San Diego, Riverside, San Bernardino & Orange Counties all seem to have disaster drills, BUT I've never learned where the shelters were to house the millions!

My suburb has only about 90,000 and I doubt that our Mayor would have a clue what to do. I have my ideas of where I'd get to, but then I wouldn't be under water like NO, it would rather more than likely be an earthquake.

Re shelters, I'm glad it wasn't just me!

I've now gone to our City website, and it was very limited in info. But it explained the type of gov't we have, and explained the Mayor's role and the City Manager's role. It did state that the Mayor is responsible for coordinating emergency aid and resources in the cases of emergency. There was really only one other blurb about emergencies, and it did appear that the local agencies would be considered the first responders. Makes sense.

The County's website offered nothing useful about emergency plans, etc.

Then went to the State's website. A lot of information, but not the actual plan. A lot of links, and a lot had to do with FEMA. But it made it quite clear that the local agencies and the State are primarily responsible for emergency situations. Very clear.

 

[JBean]

Same goes here in my area/s, San Diego, Riverside, San Bernardino & Orange Counties all seem to have disaster drills, BUT I've never learned where the shelters were to house the millions!

My suburb has only about 90,000 and I doubt that our Mayor would have a clue what to do. I have my ideas of where I'd get to, but then I wouldn't be under water like NO, it would rather more than likely be an earthquake.

Tom's girl we have work to do. From what I am learning we are not in much better shape in terms of a good local plan.

• Your city's Emergency Preparedness Coordinator
• Orange County Sheriff
  Emergency Management Division
  (714) 628-7055
• American Red Cross
  Orange County Chapter
  (714) 835-5381
  [*]
  State of California
  Governor’s Office of Emergency Services
  (818) 304-8383​
  
  ​
• County of Orange Health Care Agency
  Emergency Medical Services
  Serving the emergency services healthcare community of Orange County
  (714) 834-3500

 

[Details]

I don't know how much we need the shelters - San Diego isn't subject to the kind of disaster that you can plan for. We get the earthquakes. And shelter is whatever buildings didn't fall down. We don't need a place where the city can shelter from a hurricane or tornado. And there's plenty of high ground for any flood.

 

[Dara]

I'm not saying I don't believe this, but I'm going to see what sources say, as well as the one posted, which is a conservative news source. The more we know, the more complete the picture. I'd love a timeline. Because I know Ebbert (state HS guy) expressed anger that FEMA wasn't there, and said they needed help. So, it sounds like they wanted to let in help. So, why not the Red Cross? I want a complete timeline of this thing and all the decisions made (yeah, I also want world peace; I dream big).

 

[lauriej]

Yes she did say that which makes me wonder if she has the beginnings of dementia. She is usually such a gracious person, then again maybe she is just out of touch with reality in her ivory tower...so many are. Or maybe she spoke before she thought....

...i'm still very shocked to hear that she said such a thing:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of
evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost
everyone I’ve talked to says we're going to move to
Houston."

Then she added: "What I’m hearing which is sort of
scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is
so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

.........although, i don't think that the 'very very rich' can ever have a grip on the very very poor........even when trying to do so politically...........they just don't get it.........

 

[KrazyKollector]

All states have an emergency management agency;
Here is LA http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/

Thanks JBean. I did finally figure it out. Just took me a while!
:doh: on me. I did "fix" my post above. LOL!

 

[JBean]

...i'm still very shocked to hear that she said such a thing:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001054719

In a segment at the top of the show on the surge of
evacuees to the Texas city, Barbara Bush said: "Almost
everyone I’ve talked to says we're going to move to
Houston."

Then she added: "What I’m hearing which is sort of
scary is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is
so overwhelmed by the hospitality.

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you
know, were underprivileged anyway, so this--this (she
chuckles slightly) is working very well for them."

.........although, i don't think that the 'very very rich' can ever have a grip on the very very poor........even when trying to do so politically...........they just don't get it.........

I don't think that is shocking?Iwhat am I missing?

 

[JBean]

Thanks JBean. I did finally figure it out. Just took me a while!
:doh: on me. I did "fix" my post above. LOL!

hey it's some good reading, too bad no one read it earlier.
cya KK

 

[Tom'sGirl]

I don't know how much we need the shelters - San Diego isn't subject to the kind of disaster that you can plan for. We get the earthquakes. And shelter is whatever buildings didn't fall down. We don't need a place where the city can shelter from a hurricane or tornado. And there's plenty of high ground for any flood.

I said in my post: I have my ideas of where I'd get to, but then I wouldn't be under water like NO, it would rather more than likely be an earthquake.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I'm not saying I don't believe this, but I'm going to see what sources say, as well as the one posted, which is a conservative news source. The more we know, the more complete the picture. I'd love a timeline. Because I know Ebbert (state HS guy) expressed anger that FEMA wasn't there, and said they needed help. So, it sounds like they wanted to let in help. So, why not the Red Cross? I want a complete timeline of this thing and all the decisions made (yeah, I also want world peace; I dream big).

Did you see my post earlier in the evening that a retired LT from the National Guard sayd (on Fox) that there is a gag order as to the timeline on when the Guard was asked for assistance? WTF or WTH, take your pick. No mention of WHO exactly pushed for a gag order. But, I'd say someone who has an awful lot to hide.

And not knowing anything yet about Ebbert, the State HS guy, I don't know why he expressed anger at FEMA. Maybe the same reason Nagin and Blanco did in those first few days, and then it's appearing their performance/planning and actual implementation was dismal (understatement)? Maybe he's just as guilty? I have no idea, just my thought. Maybe his anger, per se, was desperation because it was, indeed, falling apart around him, and he didn't know how to get out of it either.

Yes, I'm starting to get pretty good at this finger-pointing, I guess, haha. But I'm not completely, as each new day is bringing more light to multiple issues. My fingers are kinda pointing in different directions as more info comes out (And actually, I feel kinda bad, too...on something this big, I'm not sure how it could go totally smoothly. And I know none of them don't care, I'm sure they're truly, truly heartbroken about what has happened. I couldn't have done any better, but I also wasn't elected to do so.)