I'm so angry part 2

[Tom'sGirl]

Deputy....I heard that. I think it still has a little something to do with maybe the Governor still hasn't signed executive orders allowing the federal government to take charge. So I think the State National Guard troops are still under command of the Governor. I'm not sure I have that right, but that was my thinking anyway.

Speaking of being angry and ridiculous comments:

Did you hear the Mayor's comment regarding sending police officers on vacation (many of whom are "reportedly" not wanting to go anyway)? Britt Hume asked him how he could justify sending law enforcement on a mandatory vacation when there are still people to rescue and much work to be done - Mayor Nagin said these words... "This is a party city. Get over it."

Loved that one!!

And another thing I wondered if anyone saw....

Last night on MSNBC show Oberman (I believe it was) he does a "Worse, Worser, Worst" segment or monologue and he gave the "Worst" award to Geraldo Rivera because it is claimed that Geraldo staged some footage of him helping "rescue" a woman and her dog. Said the scene was set up and filmed and then filmed again because something wasn't right with the first shot. By the way, Michael Jackson was the "worser" award. I can't remember who was the "worse."

Did you hear the Mayor (think it was Sunday) during an interview say something to the effect of this being "the cleansing of New Orleans" ? He also said he hoped when some of the people returned they would be better citizens.......or somthing like that!

My mouth full of coffee almost fell open.

 

[concernedperson]

Did you hear the Mayor (think it was Sunday) during an interview say something to the effect of this being "the cleansing of New Orleans" ? He also said he hoped when some of the people returned they would be better citizens.......or somthing like that!

My mouth full of coffee almost fell open.

I am not so sure that you aren't correct. I didn't hear that but something is up.I can't believe the stalling at all points, the local, the state,the fed, most I am sure is politics as usual but it is pretty upsetting for those in the path of this unbelievable disaster.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

I wonder if the kids think the same thing...:laugh:

<whinykid>Geeze - you'd think having your school and entire city destroyed would get you more than just a week off from school! And they're even acting like they're being nice by shoving us back in to a new school! </whinykid>

You're right Details, they probably aren't all that happy and the schools they'll be going to will be so different from those they were used to.

At least it will give their parents/families a few hours a day to try and sort out what they are going to do without having to care for their kids at the same time.

 

[cynder]

I think in the beginning I heard they had 250 school buses that were on hand, and no order was sent to the bus drivers to report even though they would have received over-time pay!

Where would they have taken these people? Remember these would have been indigents, nursing home residents, elderly, sick, disabled, mixed with families, children and NONE of them with money or a place to go. Roads clogged with traffic, Superdome full to bursting, Baton Rouge filled to overflow. Were they just to park them on the side of the road somewhere north of New Orleans? Where was FEMA with shelters and coordinating with other states? Why was the Red Cross denied access? Where were the people to go to be collected? Were there sufficient securiy persons on hand to supervise this busing? You can't just expect folks to calmly load on buses - look at the mess at the Superdome...at the Convention Center. Before the storm FEMA was nowhere, Nat'l Guard was nowhere, aid workers were positioned far outside the storm area. For all we know as many people could have been killed in the riots and violence inherant in an uncontrollable rush to board these buses as drowned later.
It's easy to say that 250 buses sat unused - people forget that it would have been a huge logistical undertaking with few good answers - more people at the Superdome? Convention Center? Hospitals? Busloads of people with nowhere to go? Since "help" took literally DAYS to arrive would the evacuation of MORE people have meant more deaths in the so-called shelters?
No matter how you look at this leadership was lacking, help was lacking, preparation was lacking - and on EVERYONE's part. Ultimately though, it is FEMA who bears the brunt of the responsibility and FEMA who was out of touch and unresponsive. Evacuating a million people should not be left to the Mayor or even the Gov to handle alone without significant National Agency support, No city, no state has those kinds of resources.

 

[marrigotti]

Did you hear the Mayor (think it was Sunday) during an interview say something to the effect of this being "the cleansing of New Orleans" ? He also said he hoped when some of the people returned they would be better citizens.......or somthing like that!

My mouth full of coffee almost fell open.

It was not the mayor. It was the President of the City Council.

Here is the article.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/sep/05090111.html

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Now I am so angry about the 20 to 30 bodies found in the nursing home.

What the heck failed them there??

 

[Casshew]

Now I am so angry about the 20 to 30 bodies found in the nursing home.

What the heck failed them there??

Me too. :furious:

There is no need for anything like this to happen. It is obscene.

I want to know if this is a private or state run nursing home, who was responsible for these residents??

 

[Tom'sGirl]

It was not the mayor. It was the President of the City Council.

Here is the article.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/sep/05090111.html

Thanks for that link, there also have been some religious leaders there who have mentioned the "cleansing", but it was Mayor Nagin that also brought it up along with hoping for better citizens and so forth.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

Here's the story ... http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/07/katrina.impact/index.html

Casshew, I'm with you. This is obscene

 

[cynder]

Now I am so angry about the 20 to 30 bodies found in the nursing home. What the heck failed them there??

What failed was the caretakers. When they were told to evacuate their patients they did not. When the waters rose the caretakers abandoned the patients to die in their beds. The owners/managers of the nursing home bear FULL responsibilty for these people's deaths. They were charged with caring for these patients (who could not care for themselves) and they failed to do so. Nothing anyone could have done to prevent this one - who knew these people would abandon their patients not once (by not evacuating them or moving them to a hospital), but TWICE!
These caretakers should be proscuted for murder.

 

[JBean]

Where would they have taken these people? Remember these would have been indigents, nursing home residents, elderly, sick, disabled, mixed with families, children and NONE of them with money or a place to go. Roads clogged with traffic, Superdome full to bursting, Baton Rouge filled to overflow. Were they just to park them on the side of the road somewhere north of New Orleans? Where was FEMA with shelters and coordinating with other states? Why was the Red Cross denied access? Where were the people to go to be collected? Were there sufficient securiy persons on hand to supervise this busing? You can't just expect folks to calmly load on buses - look at the mess at the Superdome...at the Convention Center. Before the storm FEMA was nowhere, Nat'l Guard was nowhere, aid workers were positioned far outside the storm area. For all we know as many people could have been killed in the riots and violence inherant in an uncontrollable rush to board these buses as drowned later.
It's easy to say that 250 buses sat unused - people forget that it would have been a huge logistical undertaking with few good answers - more people at the Superdome? Convention Center? Hospitals? Busloads of people with nowhere to go? Since "help" took literally DAYS to arrive would the evacuation of MORE people have meant more deaths in the so-called shelters?
No matter how you look at this leadership was lacking, help was lacking, preparation was lacking - and on EVERYONE's part. Ultimately though, it is FEMA who bears the brunt of the responsibility and FEMA who was out of touch and unresponsive. Evacuating a million people should not be left to the Mayor or even the Gov to handle alone without significant National Agency support, No city, no state has those kinds of resources.

These citizens didn't move in the night before the hurricane. They have been there for years.
This should have all been spelled out in the city/state disaster evacuation plan. If the governor and the mayor did not know what to do in case of emergncy they should have FOUND out and asked for help before a hurricane ever hit. Years before it hit. We even knew what the possibilties for devastation were.It is their job to support it's citizens for 72 hours before FEMA ever arrives. If they did not have the resources it was their responsibilty to get them.

 

[PrayersForMaura]

What failed was the caretakers. When they were told to evacuate their patients they did not. When the waters rose the caretakers abandoned the patients to die in their beds. The owners/managers of the nursing home bear FULL responsibilty for these people's deaths. They were charged with caring for these patients (who could not care for themselves) and they failed to do so. Nothing anyone could have done to prevent this one - who knew these people would abandon their patients not once (by not evacuating them or moving them to a hospital), but TWICE!
These caretakers should be proscuted for murder.

I am wondering if it's all patients who died?
If the caretakers left these patients for death, I am going to really be upset. :furious:

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Where would they have taken these people? Remember these would have been indigents, nursing home residents, elderly, sick, disabled, mixed with families, children and NONE of them with money or a place to go. Roads clogged with traffic, Superdome full to bursting, Baton Rouge filled to overflow. Were they just to park them on the side of the road somewhere north of New Orleans? Where was FEMA with shelters and coordinating with other states? Why was the Red Cross denied access? Where were the people to go to be collected? Were there sufficient securiy persons on hand to supervise this busing? You can't just expect folks to calmly load on buses - look at the mess at the Superdome...at the Convention Center. Before the storm FEMA was nowhere, Nat'l Guard was nowhere, aid workers were positioned far outside the storm area. For all we know as many people could have been killed in the riots and violence inherant in an uncontrollable rush to board these buses as drowned later.
It's easy to say that 250 buses sat unused - people forget that it would have been a huge logistical undertaking with few good answers - more people at the Superdome? Convention Center? Hospitals? Busloads of people with nowhere to go? Since "help" took literally DAYS to arrive would the evacuation of MORE people have meant more deaths in the so-called shelters?
No matter how you look at this leadership was lacking, help was lacking, preparation was lacking - and on EVERYONE's part. Ultimately though, it is FEMA who bears the brunt of the responsibility and FEMA who was out of touch and unresponsive. Evacuating a million people should not be left to the Mayor or even the Gov to handle alone without significant National Agency support, No city, no state has those kinds of resources.

No excuses, they failed miserably in 2004 and didn't use the school buses even then!!!!!!........no more excuses.

What have they done since that failed evacuation to correct what went wrong.........nothing, that's what!

 

[Details]

Did you hear the Mayor (think it was Sunday) during an interview say something to the effect of this being "the cleansing of New Orleans" ? He also said he hoped when some of the people returned they would be better citizens.......or somthing like that!

My mouth full of coffee almost fell open.

I don't know that I don't agree with him. That city seems to be very, very sick. Raping women and children, firing at rescue workers, attacking hospitals and nurses, going after tourists or anyone white, the lack of the general crowd to stop so many of these things from happening (you'd expect a mob to attack someone trying to rape a woman or child in a rescue center, not to turn a blind eye!), so many different ways the reaction of New Orleans to disaster was inconcievable! I think spreading those people out to see what a healthier society looks like might help them return as better citizens - I sure hope so.

 

[concernedperson]

I don't know that I don't agree with him. That city seems to be very, very sick. Raping women and children, firing at rescue workers, attacking hospitals and nurses, going after tourists or anyone white, the lack of the general crowd to stop so many of these things from happening (you'd expect a mob to attack someone trying to rape a woman or child in a rescue center, not to turn a blind eye!), so many different ways the reaction of New Orleans to disaster was inconcievable! I think spreading those people out to see what a healthier society looks like might help them return as better citizens - I sure hope so.

I have been trying to get attention to this State's problems for years. I am from there and have known for way too long. The problem is the good gets mixed in with the bad. And the bad are most formidable.The good have been hurt way too far. We need to respect people and at least let them get their story out there. And the animalistic behavior is deplorable to me and should be stopped without any other consideration.

 

[kgeaux]

Fox news just had a Red Cross spokesman on, who confirmed something I've been hearing for a couple of days. Remember how Gov. Blanco said the Red Cross was kept from entering New Orleans because of the thugs with AK47's?
Well, the Red Cross person says they were prevented from entering by the STATE HOMELAND SECURITY department. Why???? Because if food and water were delivered to the people in the superdome, they would stay there, and the state wanted them to leave New Orleans.

People, this keeps going from bad to worse.

 

[marrigotti]

Fox news just had a Red Cross spokesman on, who confirmed something I've been hearing for a couple of days. Remember how Gov. Blanco said the Red Cross was kept from entering New Orleans because of the thugs with AK47's?
Well, the Red Cross person says they were prevented from entering by the STATE HOMELAND SECURITY department. Why???? Because if food and water were delivered to the people in the superdome, they would stay there, and the state wanted them to leave New Orleans.

People, this keeps going from bad to worse.

Now, we're cooking with heat. I suspect that there are plenty more shockers to come.

 

[chicoliving]

Of course they would stay there.....they were locked in. From bad to worse it seems....

 

[tybee204]

Fox news just had a Red Cross spokesman on, who confirmed something I've been hearing for a couple of days. Remember how Gov. Blanco said the Red Cross was kept from entering New Orleans because of the thugs with AK47's?
Well, the Red Cross person says they were prevented from entering by the STATE HOMELAND SECURITY department. Why???? Because if food and water were delivered to the people in the superdome, they would stay there, and the state wanted them to leave New Orleans.

People, this keeps going from bad to worse.

This fact is why I started the original "I am so angry" thread.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28612

My 1st post on it was the link to the Red Cross Page saying exactly that.

am so angry that Homeland Security blocked the Red Cross from feeding people, delivering medicine and food to Hospitals and setting up any form of relief within New Orleans to sustain life untill evacuations could be organized. Since when is the Red Cross not allowed to enter a disaster area to offer life saving services?

http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,...24,00.html#4524

Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?


Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

The state Homeland Security Department had requested--and continues to request--that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

 

[cynder]

Fox news just had a Red Cross spokesman on, who confirmed something I've been hearing for a couple of days. Remember how Gov. Blanco said the Red Cross was kept from entering New Orleans because of the thugs with AK47's?
Well, the Red Cross person says they were prevented from entering by the STATE HOMELAND SECURITY department. Why???? Because if food and water were delivered to the people in the superdome, they would stay there, and the state wanted them to leave New Orleans.

People, this keeps going from bad to worse.

Another gem from the masters of Republican spin - Fox News.
I'll wait and see what other MSM outlets report on this one. Rupert and his merry band have been known to um "slant" things in a pro Admin way in the past. This sounds like pure "Spin" to me - the Gov and the Mayor were on TV daily BEGGING for help while unknown to THEM their own LA Dept of Homeland Security was rejecting aid? Hmmm - sure seems illogical to me? Maybe FEDERAL Homeland Security (run by Brown's Boss Chertoff) maybe, but STATE Homeland Security? Do they trump the Gov of the State? Are they within her control or do they report to Chertoff? The water in NO isn't the only thing that smells here.