I'm so angry part 2

[JBean]

Also - is it usual for a city or state to just be able to say, "we won't evacuate these places, that's their problem." - I can understand it to a degree for the hospitals to determine how and when and who - but it seems like the state should be providing the resources, making sure everyone gets out - they're citizens just like everyone else.

My sister sent me back a quick email saying "Depends on the emergency operating plan from jurisdiction to jurisdiction." She said she will try to send me a more detailed response tomorrow and find out what was specific to NOLA.

 

[TexMex]

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin garnered a ton of publicity with a profanity-laced interview he gave to WWL radio last Thursday, where he blasted President Bush and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco for not coming to rescue his city in time.

However, Nagin's most newsworthy comments - where he explained why he didn't use hundreds of city school buses to evacuate his city's flood victims - went almost unnoticed.

Turns out, Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead.
"I need 500 buses, man," he told WWL. "One of the briefings we had they were talking about getting, you know, public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out of here."

Nagin described his response:

"I'm like - you've got to be kidding me. This is a natural disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

While Nagin was waiting for his Greyhound fleet, Katrina's floodwaters swamped his school buses, rendering them unusable.

 

[kgeaux]

Also - is it usual for a city or state to just be able to say, "we won't evacuate these places, that's their problem." - I can understand it to a degree for the hospitals to determine how and when and who - but it seems like the state should be providing the resources, making sure everyone gets out - they're citizens just like everyone else.

The emergency plans are to be made and ok'd before the hospital, nursing home etc. can get approval to operate, BUT on page 21 of the LA Emergency operations plan, it states that the state of Louisiana will "direct the evacuation and shelter of persons having limited mobility" including those in hospitals and nursing homes.

So, if I'm understanding correctly, the institution itself comes up with the plan, the state approves the plan before allowing the facility to open for business, and in case of an emergency, the state directs the evacuation and shelter of such places.

http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin garnered a ton of publicity with a profanity-laced interview he gave to WWL radio last Thursday, where he blasted President Bush and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco for not coming to rescue his city in time.

However, Nagin's most newsworthy comments - where he explained why he didn't use hundreds of city school buses to evacuate his city's flood victims - went almost unnoticed.

Turns out, Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead.
"I need 500 buses, man," he told WWL. "One of the briefings we had they were talking about getting, you know, public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out of here."

Nagin described his response:

"I'm like - you've got to be kidding me. This is a natural disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

While Nagin was waiting for his Greyhound fleet, Katrina's floodwaters swamped his school buses, rendering them unusable.

And another good find by Tex.... :clap:

 

[tybee204]

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin garnered a ton of publicity with a profanity-laced interview he gave to WWL radio last Thursday, where he blasted President Bush and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco for not coming to rescue his city in time.

However, Nagin's most newsworthy comments - where he explained why he didn't use hundreds of city school buses to evacuate his city's flood victims - went almost unnoticed.

Turns out, Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead.
"I need 500 buses, man," he told WWL. "One of the briefings we had they were talking about getting, you know, public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out of here."

Nagin described his response:

"I'm like - you've got to be kidding me. This is a natural disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

While Nagin was waiting for his Greyhound fleet, Katrina's floodwaters swamped his school buses, rendering them unusable.

Is there a link for this story?

 

[less0305]

Is there a link for this story?

FWIW, I heard the actual broadcast that morning. He said it. That's an exact quote.

 

[tybee204]

Shoulda known. Can we please stay with Main stream media sources and leave the left and right wing publications to the Political Forum.

 

[tybee204]

FWIW, I heard the actual broadcast that morning. He said it. That's an exact quote.

"Turns out, Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead."

That is an exact quote from who?

 

[less0305]

Shoulda known. Can we please stay with Main stream media sources and leave the left and right wing publications to the Political Forum.

No, really...I heard it.

 

[TexMex]

Shoulda known. Can we please stay with Main stream media sources and leave the left and right wing publications to the Political Forum.

Hi tybee

It's the mayor's own words on the radio

 

[tybee204]

Nagin, on the radio said he was turning his nose up on yellow school bus's?

 

[concernedperson]

Shoulda known. Can we please stay with Main stream media sources and leave the left and right wing publications to the Political Forum.

Of course, I agree with this.I am just glad that Toby is hanging out and no repercussions and he is part and parcel to this recovery.We need these strong people in Louisiana right now. No expectations, Toby, just thought I would mention you as a person with a real big heart.Just looking in from Georgia.I am am always there for help.

 

[Casshew]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/8/114045.shtml

Turned up noses at school buses - see that link (not sure if it's legit news)

 

[tybee204]

Just as an example of how spin is used in that post. When Nagin called for greyhounds and bus's it was days after the Levee's broke. The yellow bus's in that photo had already been flooded. They were not available at that point. How is that Nagin turning his nose up at yellow bus's to get people out of the Convention Center?

If we start using Left and Right Wing links and spin on this its just going to turn into a big fat pissing match.

 

[less0305]

"Turns out, Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead."

That is an exact quote from who?

I'm only responding to the quotes of the Mayor. I heard the Mayor that morning - live, as it was happening, say the words in quotes that were listed in TexMex's post.

He said this exact thing:
"I need 500 buses, man. One of the briefings we had they were talking about getting, you know, public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out of here. I'm like - you've got to be kidding me. This is a natural disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

I wish we could get an exact transcript of that morning show - it was simultaneously broadcast on MSNBC, I believe, because I thought to myself, Oh boy, MSNBC is going to get fined for some of the language he used in his interview because there was no delay evidently and therefore no bleeping. I can try to research and see if there is a transcript of that phone interview.

 

[less0305]

Just as an example of how spin is used in that post. When Nagin called for greyhounds and bus's it was days after the Levee's broke. The yellow bus's in that photo had already been flooded. They were not available at that point. How is that Nagin turning his nose up at yellow bus's to get people out of the Convention Center?

If we start using Left and Right Wing links and spin on this its just going to turn into a big fat pissing match.

Well, when I heard him say it and he was talking about information they were discussing in a briefing earlier that morning or in the middle of the night and evidently it sounded to me like someone suggested that they bring in school buses - and I took his words to mean, he felt as if school buses weren't what he wanted brought in....he wanted Greyhound buses brought in.

 

[concernedperson]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/8/114045.shtml

Turned up noses at school buses - see that link (not sure if it's legit news)

I think he was looking at comfort but I can be dissicated, I am sure. So much that we don't know right now but it isn't that most of the world didn't recognize this it was a small part of the world that that chose to blame the victims for their misfortune. They go on and on.

 

[tybee204]

I know about the call for bus's and Nagins radio plea. That has been posted with MSM links on several threads. My point is posting links as news that are in reality opinion peices.

 

[TexMex]

No, really...I heard it.

Here's the NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/n...l=1&adxnnlx=1126228752-CwL6gFVupnzoLqiwCRwVig

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WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.



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They talked about the buses in a meeting? And did not use them to get people from nursing homes or out of the housing projects before the storm....then they were underwater with all those people he sent to the Dome
needed help. And the Gov turns the Red Cross away from the Dome/Convention Center.......oh man

 

[tybee204]

Well, when I heard him say it and he was talking about information they were discussing in a briefing earlier that morning or in the middle of the night and evidently it sounded to me like someone suggested that they bring in school buses - and I took his words to mean, he felt as if school buses weren't what he wanted brought in....he wanted Greyhound buses brought in.

If you review it you will see that the school bus's were already flooded before the radio plea for greyhounds.