I'm so angry part 2

[less0305]

Tex, thanks for finding a portion of the transcript. How do you do that so fast!!!!!?????

 

[tybee204]

Here's the NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/n...l=1&adxnnlx=1126228752-CwL6gFVupnzoLqiwCRwVig

snip
WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.



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They talked about the buses in a meeting? And did not use them to get people from nursing homes or out of the housing projects before the storm....then they were underwater with all those people he sent to the Dome
needed help. And the Gov turns the Red Cross away from the Dome/Convention Center.......oh man

And where are the Yellow School bus's and Nagin turning up his nose ?

 

[less0305]

If you review it you will see that the school bus's were already flooded before the radio plea for greyhounds.

I understood him to mean someone suggested bringing in school buses and school bus drivers FROM OTHER AREAS and he said that was thinking small and he wanted Greyhounds. I don't think he was talking about his own daggone school buses.

 

[JBean]

The emergency plans are to be made and ok'd before the hospital, nursing home etc. can get approval to operate, BUT on page 21 of the LA Emergency operations plan, it states that the state of Louisiana will "direct the evacuation and shelter of persons having limited mobility" including those in hospitals and nursing homes.

So, if I'm understanding correctly, the institution itself comes up with the plan, the state approves the plan before allowing the facility to open for business, and in case of an emergency, the state directs the evacuation and shelter of such places.

http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans/EOPSupplement1a.pdf

My sister said she believes that is correct

 

[concernedperson]

Here's the NYTimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/02/n...l=1&adxnnlx=1126228752-CwL6gFVupnzoLqiwCRwVig

snip
WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.



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They talked about the buses in a meeting? And did not use them to get people from nursing homes or out of the housing projects before the storm....then they were underwater with all those people he sent to the Dome
needed help. And the Gov turns the Red Cross away from the Dome/Convention Center.......oh man

I don't know but his plea was riveting to me and it was early on. The Super Dome was way above flood level...and I succinctly heard to bring your own food and water.He said it was a last resort. I don't know what other plans were enacted but I am sure about what I heard.

 

[tybee204]

I can totally comprehend the mayor was incompetent in not utilizing the School Bus's for evacuation pre hurricane. There is no excuse IMO. Every bus available should have been getting people out of town. Once they were flooded they were flooded and he needed a fleet of bus's to evac 50,000 people in the Superdome and Convention Center. One or two bus's wasnt going to do it.

At that point I dont think anyone would have cared what kind of bus came. It was a time of desperation.

 

[TexMex]

And where are the Yellow School bus's and Nagin turning up his nose ?

What I posted was obviously an opinion piece

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin garnered a ton of publicity with a profanity-laced interview he gave to WWL radio last Thursday, where he blasted President Bush and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco for not coming to rescue his city in time.
However, Nagin's most newsworthy comments - where he explained why he didn't use hundreds of city school buses to evacuate his city's flood victims - went almost unnoticed.
Turns out, Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead.

That part---opinion



This part----what Nagin said on WWL radio

"I need 500 buses, man," he told WWL. "One of the briefings we had they were talking about getting, you know, public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out of here."

Nagin described his response:

"I'm like - you've got to be kidding me. This is a natural disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

And the final

While Nagin was waiting for his Greyhound fleet, Katrina's floodwaters swamped his school buses, rendering them unusable.


Sorry if the spin bothered you. I just find his mentionng school buses ironic.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

I understood him to mean someone suggested bringing in school buses and school bus drivers FROM OTHER AREAS and he said that was thinking small and he wanted Greyhounds. I don't think he was talking about his own daggone school buses.

ANOTHER LINK:

Mayor to feds: 'Get off your asses'

Transcript of radio interview with New Orleans' Nagin



Friday, September 2, 2005; Posted: 2:59 p.m. EDT (18:59 GMT)
SPECIAL REPORT

(CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin blasted the slow pace of federal and state relief efforts in an expletive-laced interview with local radio station WWL-AM.

The following is a transcript of WWL correspondent Garland Robinette's interview with Nagin on Thursday night. Robinette asked the mayor about his conversation with President Bush:

SNIP:

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

READ AND LISTEN AT THIS LINK

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin.transcript/

 

[less0305]

I can totally comprehend the incompetence of The Mayor in not utilizing the School Bus's for evacuation pre hurricane. There is no excuse IMO. Every bus available should have been getting people out of town. Once they were flooded they were flooded and he needed a fleet of bus's to evac 50,000 people in the Superdome and Convention Center.

Tybee....I agree wholeheartedly with you. I think when the mention of bringing school buses in from out of the area his response should have been "Great, bring em on and hey maybe contact Greyhound as well." Instead it was "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans. That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy." I'm really not arguing with you. I think we're thinking along the same lines. I just don't think he sounded like he appreciated the idea of bringing school buses in.

 

[tybee204]

What I posted was obviously an opinion piece

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin garnered a ton of publicity with a profanity-laced interview he gave to WWL radio last Thursday, where he blasted President Bush and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco for not coming to rescue his city in time.
However, Nagin's most newsworthy comments - where he explained why he didn't use hundreds of city school buses to evacuate his city's flood victims - went almost unnoticed.
Turns out, Nagin turned his nose up at the yellow buses, demanding more comfortable Greyhound coaches instead.

That part---opinion



This part----what Nagin said on WWL radio

"I need 500 buses, man," he told WWL. "One of the briefings we had they were talking about getting, you know, public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out of here."

Nagin described his response:

"I'm like - you've got to be kidding me. This is a natural disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

And the final

While Nagin was waiting for his Greyhound fleet, Katrina's floodwaters swamped his school buses, rendering them unusable.


Sorry if the spin bothered you. I just find his mentionng school buses ironic.

Yes but it opens the door for others to bring in articles from political based partisan publications. Can you gather my point of what a nightmare this forum would be if everyone starts posting articles and opinion peices from non mainstream political media. We might as well shut the doors now.

 

[tybee204]

Tybee....I agree wholeheartedly with you. I think when the mention of bringing school buses in from out of the area his response should have been "Great, bring em on and hey maybe contact Greyhound as well." Instead it was "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans. That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy." I'm really not arguing with you. I think we're thinking along the same lines. I just don't think he sounded like he appreciated the idea of bringing school buses in.

I think he was pleading for a large scale response. Days had passed and alot of people were dying. Everything was completley spinning out of control.

 

[TexMex]

Yes but it opens the door for others to bring in articles from political based partisan publications. Can you gather my point of what a nightmare this forum would be if everyone starts posting articles and opinion peices from non mainstream political media. We might as well shut the doors now.

I hear you.

 

[less0305]

I think he was pleading for a large scale response. Days had passed and alot of people were dying. Everything was completley spinning out of control.

It just came out sounding a little differently than that to me. I guess it's like everything else....it's how people interpret material whether it's spoken or written. I suppose every quote that's been put forth since the beginning of this can be interpretted "40 ways to Sunday" (as my grandma used to say - I don't know exactly how many that is, but it always sounded like a big number).

 

[TexMex]

Press Release
Date: 9/8/2005


Contact: Denise Bottcher or Roderick Hawkins at 225-342-9037


U.S. DEFENSE DEPARTMENT FULLY FUNDS THE USE OF NATIONAL GUARD OPERATIONS IN LOUISIANA FOR HURRICANE RELIEF

In an extraordinary move, the U.S. Department of Defense has granted Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco’s request to federally fund the use of the National Guard in its support of Hurricane Katrina disaster relief efforts.

The action – granting Title 32 U.S. Code status retroactive to Aug. 29 – enables the 23,000 National Guard troops in Louisiana to remain under Governor Blanco’s command while retaining flexibility to conduct various missions. National Guard troops are almost always funded by their respective state and commanded by that state’s governor, or they are placed under the command of the President. Rarely are National Guard troops fully funded by the federal government while commanded by a governor.

“On behalf of Louisiana’s citizens, and especially the thirteen significantly impacted parishes, I want to thank President Bush for his swift and prudent decision which endorses and supports the critical mission of the National Guard troops under my command,” Governor Blanco said.

“Title 32 status affords our Guardsmen increased rights and protection,” Governor Blanco added. “Among them, they are eligible for the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA), which affords them the reemployment rights they richly and justly deserve. In addition, they will now have federal medical, disability, and other rights that are not permitted under State Active Duty.

“It is a testament to the federal government and our mutual commitment to teamwork that the U.S. Defense Department has approved the duty status that meets the needs of both the state and the National Guard.”

Governor Blanco said that this decision is an example of ways that the state of Louisiana and the federal government are working together to help the people of southeastern Louisiana recover from the devastation of Hurricane Katrina. “The National Guard has not hesitated to answer our call to service,” Governor Blanco said. “I am honored to be able to answer theirs.”
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Sounds like Blanco is in control of the Guard still. At least maybe the state and feds are starting to work together.


ETA add link

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=1022

 

[concernedperson]

Why am I not comforted?

 

[kgeaux]

I understood him to mean someone suggested bringing in school buses and school bus drivers FROM OTHER AREAS and he said that was thinking small and he wanted Greyhounds. I don't think he was talking about his own daggone school buses.

This is true. Lafayette sent a convoy of school busses and they were turned around at the NO city limits. Got back to Lafayette, and then received word they could now enter new orleans. Some of the busses returned to New Orleans, those busses that were privately owned. (Our superintendent of schools had recinded his permission for the district owned busses to return to NO due to liability concerns.) Anyway, the privately owned busses head back to New Orleans, and guess what??? They got turned back AGAIN.

editing to add: Forgot to say they were turned around by the STATE HOMELAND SECURITY. Sound familiar? Like what happened to the Red Cross?

 

[kgeaux]

Just as an example of how spin is used in that post. When Nagin called for greyhounds and bus's it was days after the Levee's broke. The yellow bus's in that photo had already been flooded. They were not available at that point. How is that Nagin turning his nose up at yellow bus's to get people out of the Convention Center?

If we start using Left and Right Wing links and spin on this its just going to turn into a big fat pissing match.[/QUOTE]


And may I say that those of us in Louisiana have been privy to a great big old pissing match lately, and boy, we don't need to see another! :blowkiss:

 

[tybee204]

None of it makes sense. Tonight there were 3 boys from Duke that drove straight in to the Convention Center and managed to bring some folks out. They said it took 20 minutes to get to the Convention Center from the Interstate. They took the folks to Baton Rouge , turned around and went and got some more folks.

 

[concernedperson]

I posted a long time ago relative to this crisis a way to evacuate. The Hwy.90 route was not impeded. It landed someone in Houma and more routes northerly. Much of this was not mandatory as far as loss of human lives.

 

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Press Release
Date: 9/8/2005


Contact: Denise Bottcher or Roderick Hawkins at 225-342-9037


U.S. DEFENSE DEPARTMENT FULLY FUNDS THE USE OF NATIONAL GUARD OPERATIONS IN LOUISIANA FOR HURRICANE RELIEF

In an extraordinary move, the U.S. Department of Defense has granted Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco’s request to federally fund the use of the National Guard in its support of Hurricane Katrina disaster relief efforts.

The action – granting Title 32 U.S. Code status retroactive to Aug. 29 – enables the 23,000 National Guard troops in Louisiana to remain under Governor Blanco’s command while retaining flexibility to conduct various missions. National Guard troops are almost always funded by their respective state and commanded by that state’s governor, or they are placed under the command of the President. Rarely are National Guard troops fully funded by the federal government while commanded by a governor.

“On behalf of Louisiana’s citizens, and especially the thirteen significantly impacted parishes, I want to thank President Bush for his swift and prudent decision which endorses and supports the critical mission of the National Guard troops under my command,” Governor Blanco said.

“Title 32 status affords our Guardsmen increased rights and protection,” Governor Blanco added. “Among them, they are eligible for the Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA), which affords them the reemployment rights they richly and justly deserve. In addition, they will now have federal medical, disability, and other rights that are not permitted under State Active Duty.

“It is a testament to the federal government and our mutual commitment to teamwork that the U.S. Defense Department has approved the duty status that meets the needs of both the state and the National Guard.”

Governor Blanco said that this decision is an example of ways that the state of Louisiana and the federal government are working together to help the people of southeastern Louisiana recover from the devastation of Hurricane Katrina. “The National Guard has not hesitated to answer our call to service,” Governor Blanco said. “I am honored to be able to answer theirs.”
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Sounds like Blanco is in control of the Guard still. At least maybe the state and feds are starting to work together.


ETA add link

http://www.gov.state.la.us/Press_Release_detail.asp?id=1022

I find that quite interesting. She is praising Bush, and she got what she was holding out for - complete control, not what they proposed, which was joint control.

And this is "unprecedented." A first.

Thanks, Tex :blowkiss: