Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - #153 *ARREST - Richard Allen*

[WingsOverTX]

Can you imagine what went on in RA's household between the investigators digging in his backyard and the time of the arrest?

Well, he went to work the next day so I guess he at least wasn't too traumatized.

Has a divorce action been filed?

JMO

 

[NLM1234]

One must 'opt in' for use by Law Enforcement. I opted in bc if a family member has committed a heinous crime, they deserve to be caught.

The reason I uploaded my DNA to Gedmatch in the first place is they had additional/advanced tools for nerds before anyone else did. Ex. My exact eye color popped up, it was eerie. This was long before I'd heard of Parabon.

Thank you for posting this. Yes, there was a lot of talk about privacy after everyone learned how the Golden State Killer was tracked down. After that, sites like GED specifically wanted people who had uploaded their DNA to grant permission for parties other than genealogists and people looking for their own relatives to use their DNA information. Again, thank you.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Can you imagine what went on in RA's household between the investigators digging in his backyard and the time of the arrest?

I can't begin to imagine.

It was said RA stood on the driveway part of the time during the search and then sat in his wife's van. Can you even begin to imagine the emotions in that vehicle? Wow

 

[LostOldUserName]

Maybe he's ambidextrous?

I am ambidextrous but my right hand is still dominate. 85% of the time my right hand is at the tail end of the pool cue.

 

[Alethea]

Thanks for sharing this. Such an unconstitutional overreach! We are all now guilty until proven innocent.

I am appalled and will be writing my congressional reps to ask for repeal of this terrible practice.

This is kind of off topic so I won't get into details but it depends on the state. Some states do not participate. I would look up your state and see if they do. In my state, the state police handle all background checks that are required by the state (like for licensing, foster care, working with children, etc.). Your fingerprints are sent to the FBI to check federal records and other states (III), but the fingerprints are not stored or entered into the FBI database (NFF). The tricky thing is states need a way to check your record in other states or you can have situations where someone convicted of child abuse in one state could be potentially licensed as a foster parent in another state. Not good but IMO privacy is also very important.

Interstate Identification Index (III) National Fingerprint File (NFF) | Federal Bureau of Investigation

www.fbi.gov

 

[Spartygirl]

He came forward as a witness at the beginning, (albeit, possibly strategic) I’d say that’s somewhat inserting himself in to the investigation, not being that careful. It worked for him clearly, but was still incredibly risky and completely brazen IMO. Imagine if it’d gone differently.

In saying this, I don’t think they had him on their suspect “radar” until the last couple of months. I think it all just got built up very recently and KK helped them get him in the end. JMO.

I think he came forward at the beginning because he was in CYA mode.
If someone mentioned they saw him there, walking towards there, etc, PLUS, yes, he inserted himself right into the middle of it by talking to LE.

What I am confused about and only because for the past 5 years, my main focus has been ( and LE's main focus should have been) about starting with the people they knew were there that day.
I mean, they were there, and if LE can/has confirmed it, those are the ones needed to be looked into and I believe a few years ago, Carter said they have spoken with others that were there.

I felt the one puzzle piece missing or one clue needed was that if they were suspicious of someone, they were having a hard time placing that person (BG) there at the bridge that day and that time.
I thought that was the missing piece, trying to prove a person was actually there.

But here we have RA, who just waltzed right into police office and admits, why, YES, I was there that day, during that time. YIKES

Have they been quietly, behind the scenes watching RA ?? I don't think so.

So what is/was the missing piece of puzzle ?? Is it, could it be KK ???

UGH-- now I need to go back and read up more on KK material because I really did not feel it was connected

See, I told you all, my thoughts are subject to change daily-- even by the hour.

I will patiently have to wait with all of you until the PC is released but until then, I will continue to drive myself crazy with trying to figure out the why, and how of Libby & Abby's murders.

I am opening a bottle of wine now-- carry on

 

[Confusion]

The pic wasn’t a selfie, it was a still frame from the video she took.

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So, are you saying that you can't record video in selfie mode? Thanks. It just seemed to me that she would have been more discreet and recorded with him behind her if it was possible. Of course it had nothing to do with trying to help confirm my belief that they crossed the bridge to return to the north side rather than the creek!

 

[lonetraveler]

Watch this video at about the 1:50 DC is asked if he‘s confident they got the right guy. He answers Yes. Then at the 5 minute mark he’s asked if he thinks RA is the man on the bridge. He reponds with a sly grin “well the Judge signed the probable cause affidavit for the arrest, I can’t wait to tell the story but todays not the day…”. He comes across as totally confident of RAs arrest, while leaving the door open for secondary involvement. JMO

I'm nervous here. I truly can't wait to hear more evidence than that sketch. Don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling yet. Too much reasonable doubt at this point.

 

[lonetraveler]

I wonder if he was seen by someone else that day and wanted to put forward his own story/thought it would look suspicious if he were identified as being in the area without coming forward.

Very plausible.

 

[LostOldUserName]

This is kind of off topic so I won't get into details but it depends on the state. Some states do not participate. I would look up your state and see if they do. In my state, the state police handle all background checks that are required by the state (like for licensing, foster care, working with children, etc.). Your fingerprints are sent to the FBI to check federal records and other states (III), but the fingerprints are not stored or entered into the FBI database (NFF). The tricky thing is states need a way to check your record in other states or you can have situations where someone convicted of child abuse in one state could be potentially licensed as a foster parent in another state. Not good but IMO privacy is also very important.

Interstate Identification Index (III) National Fingerprint File (NFF) | Federal Bureau of Investigation

www.fbi.gov

I can say even the State of Indiana doesn't talk to each other. I have my lifetime carry permit. Ended up with temp custody of grandson and had to be fingerprinted again.

 

[photographer4]

Regarding his prior traffic violations that someone posted in the last (not closed) thread.
I'd be looking at those violations very carefully if I were LE, because I remember reading that offenders are known to have traffic violations following the commission of crimes. EG: missing stop signs or running lights, signal errors etc. I don't know what he was pulled over for or where, but I'd check unsolved crimes in each of those areas within the few hours prior to the offence being issued. Of course I cannot find the link I had in mind just now, so until I do.. MOOOOOOO. But I mean, a lot of big name criminals were caught by surprise following traffic stops!

How One Mind-Blowingly Simple Mistake Stopped Ted Bundy

Ted Bundy went on a killing spree, unchecked, for a year before one simple mistake put him in the police department's crosshairs.

www.refinery29.com

 

[Boxer]

I'm confused about the sketches too. But if RA really was an early witness, is it possible he was the source of one of the sketches?

Same kind of clever as making prints at CVS for the funeral.

Actually what happened, which we know from the HLN Down the Hill special, is that LE received info from the phone company around 2:30 am that Libby's phone last pinged in the area of the bridge/trails. So at that point they started to doubt the theory that the girls ran off to a friend's house or to see a movie in a nearby town and searchers redoubled their efforts in that area of the trail system.

This is from a transcript of an HLN special where reporter Barbara Macdonald discusses it:

"We know that Libby’s phone is the one that pinged late at night and got law enforcement back out after the official search had been called off where they looked for the phone. I don’t know when exactly the phone was found. We know it was found in the same general area as the girls, but that’s also a pretty big area."

source: HLN 'Down The Hill' Transcript: Who Killed Abby & Libby? - CrimeLights

thank you.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think he came forward at the beginning because he was in CYA mode.
If someone mentioned they saw him there, walking towards there, etc, PLUS, yes, he inserted himself right into the middle of it by talking to LE.

What I am confused about and only because for the past 5 years, my main focus has been about starting with the people we knew were there that day.
I mean, they were there, and if LE can/has confirmed it, those are the ones needed to be looked into and I believe a few years agao, Carter said they have spoken with others that were there.

I felt the one puzzle missing or one clue needed was that if they were suspicious of someone they were having a hard time placing that person (BG) there at the bridge that day and that time. I thought that was the missing piece, trying to prove a person was actually there.

But here we have RA, who just waltzed right into police office and admits, why, YES, I was there that day, during that time. YIKES

Have they been quietly, behind the scenes watching RA ?? I don't think so.

So what is/was the missing piece of puzzle ?? Is it, could it be KK ???

UGH-- now I need to go back and read up more on KK material because I really did not feel it was connected

See, I told you all, my thoughts are subject to change daily-- even by the hour.

I will patiently have to wait with all of you until the PC is released but until then, I will continue to drive myself crazy with trying to figure out the why, and how of Libby & Abby's murders.

I am opening a bottle of wine now-- carry on

ITA, cheers btw.

I firmly believed RA was somehow involved with KK/A_Shots, but now I'm not so sure. I think to have arrested and charged RA with these murders they have to have solid physical evidence linking him to the crime. That 'one piece of evidence' could have been DNA, fingerprints, an actual item belonging to one or both girls, weapon or hard drive.

We'll be nuts by the time the charging documents are released.

 

[Falling Down]

Murderers often times insert themselves into cases. They have to have some control over the narrative and investigation.

 

[MassGuy]

Deputies responded to Delphi suspect’s home for domestic issue to ‘keep the peace’

MEXICO, Ind. — The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that deputies were sent to Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s home in 2015 for a “domestic” incident. The she…

fox59.com

MEXICO, Ind. — The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that deputies were sent to Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s home in 2015 for a “domestic” incident.

The sheriff’s office was dispatched just after 3:30 in the morning on June 18, 2015, according to records obtained by FOX59. The sheriff said Allen was allegedly drunk and his wife took him to a Lafayette-area hospital for a medical evaluation.

Sheriff Leazenby said no law enforcement action was involved other than responding to “keep the peace.”

 

[WingsOverTX]

I think he came forward at the beginning because he was in CYA mode.
If someone mentioned they saw him there, walking towards there, etc, PLUS, yes, he inserted himself right into the middle of it by talking to LE.

What I am confused about and only because for the past 5 years, my main focus has been ( and LE's main focus should have been) about starting with the people they knew were there that day.
I mean, they were there, and if LE can/has confirmed it, those are the ones needed to be looked into and I believe a few years ago, Carter said they have spoken with others that were there.

I felt the one puzzle piece missing or one clue needed was that if they were suspicious of someone, they were having a hard time placing that person (BG) there at the bridge that day and that time.
I thought that was the missing piece, trying to prove a person was actually there.

But here we have RA, who just waltzed right into police office and admits, why, YES, I was there that day, during that time. YIKES

Have they been quietly, behind the scenes watching RA ?? I don't think so.

So what is/was the missing piece of puzzle ?? Is it, could it be KK ???

UGH-- now I need to go back and read up more on KK material because I really did not feel it was connected

See, I told you all, my thoughts are subject to change daily-- even by the hour.

I will patiently have to wait with all of you until the PC is released but until then, I will continue to drive myself crazy with trying to figure out the why, and how of Libby & Abby's murders.

I am opening a bottle of wine now-- carry on

Does PC mean the same as AA (arrest affidavit)?

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm sorry if I'm way off on my beliefs, I don't use my phone for much other than calls and texts and have never been much of a photographer. I believe that when your phone/camera is in selfie mode, the images are actually reversed; if that's not true you can just skip the rest of this post. I can't believe it's taken me almost 6 years to think of this and that nobody else has mentioned it.

If Libby was didn't want to turn around to see if they were being followed, she may have used selfie mode to look behind them. If she did, would the branches and other background have looked like the clips we've seen of him if they were on the bridge heading north? Please just answer my question without pointing out how ignorant I sound asking it. TIA

BBM: Now if we didn't do that we would miss out on the fun! My daughter actually taught me to use the selfie mode to put my lipstick on in a restaurant. I totally understand.

 

[BUF]

Wow.
So it seems like maybe LE originally arrived and asked to search and they refused and needed to get a search warrant?

IDK. Please realize that this information about LE that was supposedly waiting around for hours for a search warrant at Allen’s house comes from a neighbor supposedly watching through binoculars…that’s the source.

LE must have had a search warrant when they arrived to get Allen and his wife out of the house….LE didn’t just knock on the door and say leave because I told you to.

I am looking forward to the day we finally get to read the probable cause doc and get some answers to all of these questions that have floated around.

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm nervous here. I truly can't wait to hear more evidence than that sketch. Don't have a warm and fuzzy feeling yet. Too much reasonable doubt at this point.

Sketches are useful as a tool for LE to distribute to solicit tips in order to locate and investigate potential suspects but sketches are not evidence. LE has quite often acknowledged not to consider them the same as a photo and we know memories can be distorted. Aside from LE, the Prosecutor and Judge all agreed there was probable cause to lay charges, we dont know what evidence that was based on at this time but there must be something.

 

[WingsOverTX]

Deputies responded to Delphi suspect’s home for domestic issue to ‘keep the peace’

MEXICO, Ind. — The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that deputies were sent to Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s home in 2015 for a “domestic” incident. The she…

fox59.com

MEXICO, Ind. — The Carroll County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that deputies were sent to Delphi murder suspect Richard Allen’s home in 2015 for a “domestic” incident.

The sheriff’s office was dispatched just after 3:30 in the morning on June 18, 2015, according to records obtained by FOX59. The sheriff said Allen was allegedly drunk and his wife took him to a Lafayette-area hospital for a medical evaluation.

Sheriff Leazenby said no law enforcement action was involved other than responding to “keep the peace.”

A picture begins to form.....