Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #162

[Caylee Advocate]

I’m in a melancholy mode reflecting back over time, how speculation has driven this case to be essentially solved several times.

Initially it was RL, his blue jacket, walking with hands in his pockets, maybe the arrest for parole violation was simply to buy time for building murder charges against him? Back in the day discussion was very heated, some were so utterly convinced it was him, had the PC for the search been released the threads here would’ve been burning red hot!

Next came DN and alleged proof came from various direction that it must be him, this went on it seemed for the longest while. Surely he was camping out under the bridge, discovered the girls and no doubt the murder was committed with an axe?

JBC was next on the conviction list as his self-incriminating FB posts were as much an irrefutable confession there could ever be. Trial by FB, no other evidenced required.

And then not to overlook DC’s frequent biblical references? Was he deliberately leaking subtle clues that a leading suspect was closely associated to religion?

Then of course KAK, IMO a nobody who thrived on the negative attention he gained through the possibility he was directly or indirectly connected to the crime, maybe even helpfully fed LE information leading to the arrest of RA? Which IMO serves to detract from the despicable CSAM acts he allegedly committed and subsequently was charged with.

Now there’s finally been an arrest but the question is will it result in a successful conviction? Who’s got the crystal ball? RA‘s name never appeared on the suspect-of-the-day list, which could be a learning experience in that we never know - and still don’t know - all that LE knows (or should know, had it not been for a bungled data filing situation). But still, I can’t recall any not guilty verdicts because LE took too long to identify the defendant as a suspect. Now it’s a waiting game…the trial will be many months, possibly years down the road.

Collectively our WS speculation track record hasn’t been bang on, probably a good thing it didn’t result in any wrongful convictions. lol

Good post. I was at the front of that line in thinking RL was the one, along with another who dressed similarly. It seems like just about every man in the area had old man jeans, blue jackets, etc. We dissected many a man early on.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Another article, 2/1/19..

“At 1:35, we arrived at the entrance to the bridge, the girls got out of my car, and I never saw them alive again.

Halfway Across: The Delphi Murders

On Valentine’s Day 2017, Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered by an unknown man below a decaying bridge outside Delphi, Indiana.

www.indianapolismonthly.com

 

[Counttrarian]

Regarding height and weight, this was early on, but...

LISTEN: Police release audio from teen's cell phone in Delphi murder investigation

The grainy photo police released was taken on the popular Monon High Bridge. Police say the picture has already been enhanced, and their description is no better than a white male in a blue jacket and blue jeans.

"We can't provide height or weight," Slocum said. "The picture speaks for itself."

We have a fairly precise timeline, shadows and known measurable objects nearby. The person's height can be closely approximated.

 

[Prime8]

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With that in mind, I'm speculating the woman who saw him on the bridge did not get a frontal view of him or his jacket; at best a side view angle. Not enough to identify him, not enough to know the jacket probably wasn't a blue jean jacket. If he was looking south or south/west, he probably didn't see her.

Which I think is strange if he's scoping out the area so see if anyone is around, thinking about killing someone. Wouldn't a person keep an eye out behind them, too?

Agreed that he would likely try to hide his face from her. Just because she didn't see him looking at her doesn't mean that he didn't know she was there.

 

[somequestions]

It's most important that the police know they have the right person than it is for the general public to know

I suppose if you believe the police.

 

[somequestions]

Yes - this simple fact seems fatal to the defence, or at the very least needs the victims to go off the trial for some minutes

Or maybe Richard Allen went back and sat on a bench and bridge guy was already on the other side of the bridge when the girls crossed over it?

 

[somequestions]

Another article, 2/1/19..

“At 1:35, we arrived at the entrance to the bridge, the girls got out of my car, and I never saw them alive again.

Halfway Across: The Delphi Murders

On Valentine’s Day 2017, Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered by an unknown man below a decaying bridge outside Delphi, Indiana.

www.indianapolismonthly.com

This is a good article written back in 2019. It is worth reading. The last line about a name and an ending is interesting.

I have to assume police finally got the name and ending they were looking for and the other evidence has yet to be released to the public. Until then we have to wait.

 

[EOA]

I watched a couple of the YT videos that people have made walking from Mears lot to the bridge.

After the trail bends and the straightens to go forward straight onto the bridge, it’s easy to see that of one is standing on the 1st platform which sticks out on the west side of the bridge and the walker was along the west side of the trail, the creek side, the person in the platform would only see the walker maybe through trees.

Like a person standing back in a recess of a long hallway can’t see the near walls of the hall without sticking their head out to look down the hall,

PCA page 3 second paragraph, Witness #4 states in referring to who she saw... "he was standing on the first platform of the Monon High Bridge approximately 50 feet from her. She advised she turned around at the bridge and continued her walk"

Doesn't say specifically whether she had a clear look or could've been looking through trees or brush, but she does state how far he was from her, exactly where he was standing [on the platform, not just on the bridge] and that she did go all the way to the bridge before turning around (which would seem to suggest he would've had a clear view of her if he'd looked in that direction during the brief time she was there].

In addition to the above statement of her saying "her walk", later in the same paragraph of the PCA, she uses the phrase "finished her walk and saw no other males"

Thus I think her twice referring to "her walk" would eliminate the possibility she was running or jogging. Powerwalking I'd think yes would count as walking in terms of how the subject would describe it, but that's a really superfast powerwalk pace for that distance.

 

[FromGermany1]

RA was seen, standing on a platform. So his sight at the wow-so-interesting "fish" wasn't good enough, if he had stayed on the railroad track, it seems. The angle, in which he looked down, was somehow important ...... Maybe, he gave signs to a person down the hill/along the creek?

 

[mrjitty]

Or maybe Richard Allen went back and sat on a bench and bridge guy was already on the other side of the bridge when the girls crossed over it?

But then how did RA not see the victims?

This is the dilemma IMO - and no doubt exploited during interrogation

If walking woman sees RA on the bridge, then RA needs to get off the bridge and back down the trail without seeing the victims. Given walking woman saw the girls already inbound, this is only possible, if RA or the girls went off the trail, so as to allow one or the other past unseen.

or

If WW sees BG on the bridge - where was RA? it would appear he needed to somehow have finished his walk and returned already to avoid meeting WW on the trail.

 

[TL4S]

Or maybe Richard Allen went back and sat on a bench and bridge guy was already on the other side of the bridge when the girls crossed over it?

The PCA also says that other people were on the trail during the time after when L and A got there, and none of them saw anyone who matched the description of the man the three juvenile girls and Witness #4 saw on the trail and bridge, who also happened to matched not only L's video of BG, but also matched what RA admitted to wearing that day.

 

[mrjitty]

The PCA also says that other people were on the trail during the time after when L and A got there, and none of them saw anyone who matched the description of the man the three juvenile girls and Witness #4 saw on the trail and bridge, who also happened to matched not only L's video of BG, but also matched what RA admitted to wearing that day.

This is why I am kind of fascinated as to whether the defence case will be that woman walker did see RA on the bridge, corroborating his account. Otherwise he has a gigantic problem of seeing the 3 females, but no one else seeing him, and him seeing no one else.

Then the defence has to claim the victims went somewhere off the trail, allowing RA to walk back to the bench, then they come back to the trail, go on the bridge, and run into bridge guy.

 

[TL4S]

Agreed that he would likely try to hide his face from her. Just because she didn't see him looking at her doesn't mean that he didn't know she was there.

If RA had seen the woman, he had to have known she saw him. Why would he have told the CO about seeing the three juvenile girls near Freedom Bridge, but then say he didn't see anyone else? Was he just hoping that woman wouldn't come forward? Why come forward about being on the trail, seeing the three juveniles, and waking to the bridge before turning around, but then lie about seeing the other witness? He could lie about seeing L and A because they aren't here to dispute it. But if he knew a woman had seen him, just as the three juveniles had, why omit her in his statement?

My person feeling is that RA came forward before the BG photo was released. If he didn't know the woman had seen him on the bridge, he likely thought he was completely unseen by anyone after the three juveniles, so he could explain away his presence by saying he never saw L and A, as if his timing must have been before or after them. He hadn't accounted for a woman seeing him on the bridge or L recording him on her phone. Jmo.

He also messed up by saying he sat on a bench for awhile and was at the trail until around 3:30. But we know from the PCA that nobody saw anyone matching his description anywhere on the trail, where the benches are, at any time after L and A got there.

 

[mrjitty]

If RA had seen the woman, he had to have known she saw him. Why would he have told the CO about seeing the three juvenile girls near Freedom Bridge, but then say he didn't see anyone else? Was he just hoping that woman wouldn't come forward? Why come forward about being on the trail, seeing the three juveniles, and waking to the bridge before turning around, but then lie about seeing the other witness? He could lie about seeing L and A because they aren't here to dispute it. But if he knew a woman had seen him, just as the three juveniles had, why omit her in his statement?

My person feeling is that RA came forward before the BG photo was released. If he didn't know the woman had seen him on the bridge, he likely thought he was completely unseen by anyone after the three juveniles, so he could explain away his presence by saying he never saw L and A, as if his timing must have been before or after them. He hadn't accounted for a woman seeing him on the bridge or L recording him on her phone. Jmo.

He also messed up by saying he sat on a bench for awhile and was at the trail until around 3:30. But we know from the PCA that nobody saw anyone matching his description anywhere on the trail, where the benches are, at any time after L and A got there.

Agreed

I would love to read his interrogation!

 

[TL4S]

Agreed

I would love to read his interrogation!

Me too! IMO, him claiming to not have seen anyone else that day pretty much proves that he wasn't on the trail after he was seen on the bridge. He certainly wasn't sitting on any bench.

 

[Slawsb]

I suppose if you believe the police.

why woudn/t You?

 

[FrostedGlass]

Another article, 2/1/19..

“At 1:35, we arrived at the entrance to the bridge, the girls got out of my car, and I never saw them alive again.

Halfway Across: The Delphi Murders

On Valentine’s Day 2017, Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered by an unknown man below a decaying bridge outside Delphi, Indiana.

www.indianapolismonthly.com

In this interview, BP said they left home at 1:30, give or take a couple of minutes, Kelsi said she was talking to her bf when she dropped the girls off and BP confirmed by her phone record that the call came in at 1:38.

So how do we reconcile that time with the witness saying she saw the girls on her way back from the bridge?

20 mm

 

[Yemelyan]

My person feeling is that RA came forward before the BG photo was released. If he didn't know the woman had seen him on the bridge, he likely thought he was completely unseen by anyone after the three juveniles, so he could explain away his presence by saying he never saw L and A, as if his timing must have been before or after them. He hadn't accounted for a woman seeing him on the bridge or L recording him on her phone. Jmo.

He also messed up by saying he sat on a bench for awhile and was at the trail until around 3:30. But we know from the PCA that nobody saw anyone matching his description anywhere on the trail, where the benches are, at any time after L and A got there.

Respectfully snipped (and bolded) by me.

Search warrant: Delphi killer took souvenir, may have ‘staged’ murder scene

DELPHI, Ind. – A search warrant reveals new details of the investigation into the 2017 murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi. According to a search warrant obtained by the Murde…

fox59.com

This article says (you have to look in the photo timeline that they published to see this detail) that "At 7 pm (on February 15th, 2017) Indiana State Police release a photo of a man seen walking on the trail around the time the girls disappeared. They stop short of calling him a suspect."

This was actually the second announcement that they made that day. They had one earlier, around 3 pm, in which they announced the official identification of the victims and called it a double homicide investigation. (Info on timing from same article linked above).

So IF RA came forward before the photo was released, it would have to be between the evening hours of February 13th (when they first were reported missing to police and word spread that girls were lost) and 7pm on February 15th when they released the photo. But I don't think he came forward when they were only missing, because of the inclusion of his cell phone MEID in the tip narrative that the officer took. So if he came forward after they were found murdered on February 14th, then he had from noon that day until 7pm the next day to meet with the conservation officer and give his statement. It's a really tight timeline to come forward and have your story straight so maybe this is how he got tripped up. I wonder what his work schedule was from February 14th into the 15th.

 

[Justice101]

This is why I am kind of fascinated as to whether the defence case will be that woman walker did see RA on the bridge, corroborating his account. Otherwise he has a gigantic problem of seeing the 3 females, but no one else seeing him, and him seeing no one else.

Then the defence has to claim the victims went somewhere off the trail, allowing RA to walk back to the bench, then they come back to the trail, go on the bridge, and run into bridge guy.

I can tell you the defense is NOT going to have RA on the witness stand to make up stuff about why he didn't see A&L. The prosecution will rip him to shreds and make him look like a lying fool.

 

[mrjitty]

In this interview, BP said they left home at 1:30, give or take a couple of minutes, Kelsi said she was talking to her bf when she dropped the girls off and BP confirmed by her phone record that the call came in at 1:38.

So how do we reconcile that time with the witness saying she saw the girls on her way back from the bridge?

BIB / Snipped for focus

I am not sure what is you specific issue with women walker?

She arrives to the carpark some minutes before the victims, has a good 10 mins to walk to the bridge, and a good 10 mins back

I suspect she simply saw them closer to the bridge than she remembers, as they were likely only a few minutes behind her on the trail.