Found Deceased IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #162

[NoSpoonFeeding]

The picture of Abby that Libby took on the Monon High bridge shows she had black high tops with white soles and white shoe laces. Are you talking about BG's shoes. Look around some other videos. The two white soles are only there for a split second. These white objects shouldn't be there as part of the bridge.

I'll see if I can find the video and post it. I'm not good at this kind of stuff but I'll try.

MOO There is only one video from the victim's phone, it is the same video no matter if you see the first release or 2nd release. There is nothing to say areas of light color or whitish shouldn't be in the video/bridge, or that a whitish blur is now the soles of shoes. Having seen many other peoples' videos of the same bridge, dark to very light areas on this wood are natural and normal, especially in changing light and the camera's angle to the lighting and wood. Millions of people, not to mention LE/FBI etc, many with specialized skills, training, experience and equipment have watched the video untold number of times.
Few have said they see something, such as a puppy, dead dog, soles of shoes, goats, etc. in the video. I don't know why someone, who thinks they see these things, would suggest that LE is denying it and not telling the truth, when millions of other people are also not seeing these things. Are the rest of us involved in supporting LE's hiding something?

 

[FromGermany1]

The picture of Abby that Libby took on the Monon High bridge shows she had black high tops with white soles and white shoe laces. Are you talking about BG's shoes. Look around some other videos. The two white soles are only there for a split second. These white objects shouldn't be there as part of the bridge.

I'll see if I can find the video and post it. I'm not good at this kind of stuff but I'll try.

Yes, I meant BG's shoes. I can only say, what I'm seeing. It maybe wrong of course.

As I noticed over the time, the shoes and the white thing below BG's chin aren't important for the most of us. To me it seemed important for years, but I gave up meanwhile. My thought was to identify the BG, because perhaps there were very special things in the video (like shoes or white thing), which BG in good time didn't think of being recognizable. Could have been ....

 

[FromGermany1]

Uncanny how Jorden Sopher resembles Liberty German! See linked article for photos.

Eerie link between missing teen found dead & Delphi suspect looked into by cops

THE puzzling unsolved murder of a teen who vanished without a trace in 2006 before being found dead three years later has been investigated in connection with the Delphi murders, The U.S. Sun can r…

www.the-sun.com

Her difficult upbringing might also be a connecting point. As vulnerable as other girls with the same or similar fate, without a "normal" family and still with countless relatives, maybe a bit lost between them all. MOO

 

[FrostedGlass]

Yes, I meant BG's shoes. I can only say, what I'm seeing. It maybe wrong of course.

As I noticed over the time, the shoes and the white thing below BG's chin aren't important for the most of us. To me it seemed important for years, but I gave up meanwhile. My thought was to identify the BG, because perhaps there were very special things in the video (like shoes or white thing), which BG in good time didn't think of being recognizable. Could have been ....

I remember that white strip on the shoe, near the ankle area. Some folks thought it might be a chain and the spots on the other one could be hooks for laces.

 

[Ozoner]

Her difficult upbringing might also be a connecting point. As vulnerable as other girls with the same or similar fate, without a "normal" family and still with countless relatives, maybe a bit lost between them all. MOO

Jorden was probably murdered, but there's no evidence that she was abducted. Police already have a person of interest, but he hasn't been named. (I doubt it's RA.)

Investigation continues into unsolved local homicide

A year after a mushroom hunter found human skeletal remains in Miami County, the Indiana State Police are still determining what happened.

www.kokomotribune.com

I'm sure the police are doing everything that can to trace RA's movements in order to see whether he can be connected to any missing girls or murder victims.

 

[sandy_80]

you like to theorise about him getting away with other murders ..but from the pretty stupid way he gave him self up almost..i find that far fetched
he also distinguished himself by staging a strange crime scene..we still have no clue about
another reason to doubt anything happened prior

 

[Justice101]

you like to theorise about him getting away with other murders ..but from the pretty stupid way he gave him self up almost..i find that far fetched
he also distinguished himself by staging a strange crime scene..we still have no clue about
another reason to doubt anything happened prior

Yes, but what's up with the staging thing???

Given no SA (thank goodness), staging has got to be pretty rare in those instances.

Just hatred of women/girls?? Power/control over someone perceived as weaker??? I just don't get the motive.

 

[minazoe]

Yes, but what's up with the staging thing???

Given no SA (thank goodness), staging has got to be pretty rare in those instances.

Just hatred of women/girls?? Power/control over someone perceived as weaker??? I just don't get the motive.

this is sadistic murder and sexual crime..whatever staging was done was either done for attention or to confuse the crime scene..personally I think the possible crazy staging could be to enhance salable photographs. Or just part of an elaborate fantasy.

until we know more about the scene it's hard know. mOO

 

[MistyWaters]

this is sadistic murder and sexual crime..whatever staging was done was either done for attention or to confuse the crime scene..personally I think the possible crazy staging could be to enhance salable photographs. Or just part of an elaborate fantasy.

until we know more about the scene it's hard know. mOO

Or it could’ve been to make the bodies more difficult to find. A killer might get off knowing the victims are dead while others are desperately searching everywhere hopeful they’ll be found, lost but alive. A power thing. JMO

 

[TL4S]

Or it could’ve been to make the bodies more difficult to find. A killer might get off knowing the victims are dead while others are desperately searching everywhere hopeful they’ll be found, lost but alive. A power thing. JMO

Yeah, I kind of agree. I think maybe he moved them only enough to get them out of view and perhaps partially covered them, as well. But I'm still stuck on the idea that DG started calling L's phone at 3:11. Originally, I though it was long over by then, but if we believe "muddy and bloody" sighting time at nearly 4pm, that might suggest he was with them when DG got there and started calling and searching for them, maybe yelling out their names, etc. So, I think it's possible the killer hastily tried to get them and himself out of view.

 

[Trebor5591]

Yes, but what's up with the staging thing???

Given no SA (thank goodness), staging has got to be pretty rare in those instances.

Just hatred of women/girls?? Power/control over someone perceived as weaker??? I just don't get the motive.

My theory is, IMO, RA heard Abby say "Is the creepy guy sill following us?". I am sure the poor child said it without realizing he was close enough to hear. Allen probably has anger issues and just lost it. "How dare that girl call me a creep. I'll teach her to respect her elders." Just my opinion. Let's see if it comes out at the trial. Of course I might be completely wrong, but it is a specific motive.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Yes, but what's up with the staging thing???

Given no SA (thank goodness), staging has got to be pretty rare in those instances.

Just hatred of women/girls?? Power/control over someone perceived as weaker??? I just don't get the motive.

AFAIK, we do not know if Libby and Abby were or were not sexually assaulted.
Or have I missed some news?

 

[MassGuy]

this is sadistic murder and sexual crime..whatever staging was done was either done for attention or to confuse the crime scene..personally I think the possible crazy staging could be to enhance salable photographs. Or just part of an elaborate fantasy.

until we know more about the scene it's hard know. mOO

It’s a signature. Something not necessary to commit the crime, but something necessary to the killer’s satisfaction.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Back in 2020, Ives said there were at least three signatures.

In the three years since the murders, police have released very little information about the crime scene, including how the two teens were killed and what kind of physical evidence was present.

But rumors have long circulated that the crime scene was bizarre and shocking to investigators, with unusual elements that police have been reluctant to reveal publicly.

Now, Ives reveals that the crime scene was nothing like murders he had encountered in the past, where typically a body is found with some evidence such as shell casings present.

'There was a lot more physical evidence than that at the crime scene,' Ives said. 'And it's probably not what you would imagine, or what people would think I'm talking about.'

'It was just not your normal "a person was killed here" crime scene, that's probably all I can say about it,' Ives said.

Ives said that the scene was 'odd' and displayed at least three 'signatures', which are unique behaviors by the killer.

However, Ives raised the possibility that elements of the scene had been staged in an attempt to trick investigators by sending them down a false path.

Former prosecutor in unsolved Delphi murders of two teens speaks out

Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, vanished on February 13, 2017 while hiking the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana. Their bodies were discovered the following day.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MistyWaters]

It’s a signature. Something not necessary to commit the crime, but something necessary to the killer’s satisfaction.

I’m going to admit I’ve never understood how a signature, much less three, could be identified from one single crime scene. Any idea?

Legal Definition of SIGNATURE CRIME

any of two or more crimes that involve the use of a method, plan, or modus operandi so distinctive that it logically follows that the crimes must have been committed by the same person… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

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[Arkay]

There was a lot more physical evidence than that at the crime scene,' Ives said. 'And it's probably not what you would imagine, or what people would think I'm talking about.'

'It was just not your normal "a person was killed here" crime scene, that's probably all I can say about it,' Ives said.

I still find myself torn by this statement.

After all these years, I’m still so curious as to what this could be. It certainly sets the mind to wondering.

But I’m equally hoping we never find out, because it would be too horrifying to know the details of how these girls ended up.

JMO

 

[Falling Down]

Or it could’ve been to make the bodies more difficult to find. A killer might get off knowing the victims are dead while others are desperately searching everywhere hopeful they’ll be found, lost but alive. A power thing. JMO

Agreed, got off on what he did for almost 6 years. I was convinced early on this was a power/control type deal. He got off on the search, LE being dead in the water, etc.

JMO

 

[Falling Down]

Yeah, I kind of agree. I think maybe he moved them only enough to get them out of view and perhaps partially covered them, as well. But I'm still stuck on the idea that DG started calling L's phone at 3:11. Originally, I though it was long over by then, but if we believe "muddy and bloody" sighting time at nearly 4pm, that might suggest he was with them when DG got there and started calling and searching for them, maybe yelling out their names, etc. So, I think it's possible the killer hastily tried to get them and himself out of view.

It dawned on me yesterday about the timelines of the folks involved overlapping. It's chilling. If he indeed walked out of the cemetery, or followed the field border by the woods, and walked a considerable length of C.R. 300, his chances of being seen were pretty high between 3:45 and 4.

 

[Falling Down]

Back in 2020, Ives said there were at least three signatures.

In the three years since the murders, police have released very little information about the crime scene, including how the two teens were killed and what kind of physical evidence was present.

But rumors have long circulated that the crime scene was bizarre and shocking to investigators, with unusual elements that police have been reluctant to reveal publicly.

Now, Ives reveals that the crime scene was nothing like murders he had encountered in the past, where typically a body is found with some evidence such as shell casings present.

'There was a lot more physical evidence than that at the crime scene,' Ives said. 'And it's probably not what you would imagine, or what people would think I'm talking about.'

'It was just not your normal "a person was killed here" crime scene, that's probably all I can say about it,' Ives said.

Ives said that the scene was 'odd' and displayed at least three 'signatures', which are unique behaviors by the killer.

However, Ives raised the possibility that elements of the scene had been staged in an attempt to trick investigators by sending them down a false path.

Former prosecutor in unsolved Delphi murders of two teens speaks out

Liberty German, 14, and Abigail Williams, 13, vanished on February 13, 2017 while hiking the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana. Their bodies were discovered the following day.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Early on, LE said they were looking for someone who was a transient, was "passing through", that sort of thing. I found this to be odd, and the 6,000+ digital billboards even more odd, considering the location of the bridge, CS, etc. When I visited later that year, just driving around there convinced me it had to be a local, or someone who knew the area and lives not far from there.

Put RA's lifetime in reverse, and we have what a lot of folks thought would end up being BG. I think there's a possibility RA did "stage" the CS in the sense that he made it look like a non-local did it, somehow. I think that's what may have thrown off investigators early on.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

There's a new Murder Sheet episode out. In it they discus the Caden Smith murder case out of Indianapolis. Here's the little blurb from their page:

In 2022, an attorney familiar to anyone following the Delphi murders — Andrew Baldwin — joined Smith's defense team. We'll talk about what a surprising ruling in the Smith case could possibly mean for the Delphi case.

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