IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #164

[Gemmie]

This link for google drive was much easier for me to access. Ill self report to make sure it's ok for me to post this link

Delphi Documents - Google Drive

drive.google.com

Odd.... Appears I'm the only one that can't access this and I could have sworn I've accessed numerous other Goog drive files in the past. Bummer....

 

[FrostedGlass]

Most of this little batch contains the documents we talked about earlier: Pg 103-120. For future reference MW's link is the most convenient. I'm working from the big document upload so my numbers don't match the ones in their doc.
Mwaters Link: https://www.wishtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/state-motion-to-suppress.pdf

https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2023/06/DelphiDocumentsCombined.pdf

How LE does the property receipts is a question I hope someone can answer. There appears to be 2 different groups and 3 different time stamps. I'm curious if the times are noted at the scene when the items are being collected or after they arrive at some other destination. The first group and the third group are identified with the same initials (MC) and the numbers are in correct order. The middle group contains the largest amount of items, they are marked in as DRV.

There is a notation on the receipts that the Chain of Custody is on pg 2 of groups 1 and 3. Chain of Custody is on pg 4 in the middle group. All of the Chain of Custody docs are missing. Also missing is the receipt for the RA's car; shouldn't there be one since they took it? Here are the 3 groups with their time stamps:

Pg 116 = 10/13 @ 19:00 (7 pm)
Receipt 1 of 2 (Notation: Chain of custody on pg 2) Missing
MC 8 through 14
Mostly guns

Pg 117 = 10/13 @ 21:47 (9:47 pm)
Receipt 1 of 4 (Notation: Chain of custody on pg 4) Missing
All other items
DRV104 through 176

Pg 120 = 10/14 @ 13:54 .
Receipt 1 of 2 (Notation: Chain of custody on pg 2) Missing
MC15, 16, 17
Carpet and Swabs from the car
(Tippecanoe Co)
****************
Beginning where I left off from the last group I posted:
Pg 101 = Order Setting Hearing on Petition to Let to Bail (No date)
Pg 102 = Grants Petition to Seal Docs Pending Hearing (Oct 28)

Pg 103 = State's Objection on RA's Motion to Suppress Seized Evidence (June 13)
Pg 109 = Search Warrant (Oct 13)
Pg 110 = Affidavit for Search Warrant (Oct 13, 2022)
Pg 115 = Return With Attached Property Receipt (Oct 13, 2022 at 7:09 pm)
Pg 116 = Receipt 10/13 at 19:00 Mostly Guns
Pg 117 = Receipt 10/13 at 21:47 Almost Everything Else
Pg 120 = Receipt 10/14 at 13:54 Carpet Scrap and Swabs

 

[Möbius_Stripped]

Walking past people with a purpose is one way not to engage. MOO for me it doesn't pin down whether he was actually on a mission, or he just realized he was being creepy and avoided of engaging with those particular 3 girls.

Exactly - walk fast like you’re in a hurry, keep your head down, don’t interact, and people will be less likely to remember your face and what you’re wearing.

 

[Möbius_Stripped]

I think he probably thought eating those words might make him appear crazy. I've said from the beginning, RA's a dark, disturbed and cunning man. I think all of the hard drives and disposable phones they recovered in the SW will show that. I truly believe there will be a link to CSAM there.

He was living a double life right under his wife's nose and the whole town of Delphi for 6 years.

MOO

Reminds me of Charles Dean Bryant, Jr. Look him up. You’ll be scarred for life. I know someone who was on the jury and after they sentenced him, they were shown a whole bunch of disturbing stuff that made them feel better about sending him away for the rest of his life (as if they needed it bc what he went away for was… pretty horrific).

WARNING: Lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll’s eyes…

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I think there were some legit crumbs of info shared but also a lot of misinformation and just outright false statements. The claim that Libby and Abby referred to BG as “creepy” caused wild speculation of encountering him earlier on the trail or bridge but that reference to being “creepy” was stated by one of the 3 girls interviewed who reported seeing him on trail.

“Creepy” has also been used as a descriptive adjective by The UK Sun and Abby’s mom iirc but particularly with the later, it’s not clear if she’s quoting verbatim or referencing her opinion of the suspect in her own words.

But you’re right, often things get repeated so many times that they appear to be facts of the case yet they’re truly misinformation.

As for “fighting back”, to me that doesn’t necessarily refer to a physical fight. It could mean non-compliant, ie fleeing. I don’t think LE knows precisely how events played out, lacking eye witnesses or a detailed confession. The 43 second video ended just as they were going down the hill so I don’t think the girls attempting to flee is out of the realm of possibilities. JMO

 

[Dhighsmith]

“Creepy” has also been used as a descriptive adjective by The UK Sun and Abby’s mom iirc but particularly with the later, it’s not clear if she’s quoting verbatim or referencing her opinion of the suspect in her own words.

But you’re right, often things get repeated so many times that they appear to be facts of the case yet they’re truly misinformation.

As for “fighting back”, to me that doesn’t necessarily refer to a physical fight. It could mean non-compliant, ie fleeing. I don’t think LE knows precisely how events played out, lacking eye witnesses or a detailed confession. The 43 second video ended just as they were going down the hill so I don’t think the girls attempting to flee is out of the realm of possibilities. JMO

I hate speculation but here I go- the discovery of Libby’s shoe in the water lead me to think she attempted to run but there was an incident whether she stumbled in the water or he restrained her somehow causing shoe to come loose in water. There were additional items of clothing found in water, some state it’s a sweater so it’s possible, again speculating, the clothing could be sweatshirt that Kelsi gave Libby and it too fell off during attempt to run.

This trial needs to provide answers.

 

[EllaMinnowP]

Odd.... Appears I'm the only one that can't access this and I could have sworn I've accessed numerous other Goog drive files in the past. Bummer....

That link must have been time limited or something? It no longer works for me, either.

 

[k-mac]

Just IMO Libbys phone reset in the lead up to the killing is an ominous clue linking a premeditated event.

All the widely circulated yet unconfirmed connections with KK and RA and Anthony Shots and Libby is just too coincidental to be a coincedence.

If KK has been 'erased' from the public picture for giving up RA as his deal would explain alot.

moo

 

[kittythehare]

Odd.... Appears I'm the only one that can't access this and I could have sworn I've accessed numerous other Goog drive files in the past. Bummer....

It's gone, Gemmie.

 

[photographer4]

AW had an encounter with a driver at a parking lot of a Supermarket, where she was shopping with Abby. The driver said to her out of the blue something like "never to trust a person, they could be different than assumed" (wording played back in it's meaning only).
I wonder, if AW does know now, that this odd stranger was RA??

I have wondered this as well actually before.

 

[photographer4]

“Creepy” has also been used as a descriptive adjective by The UK Sun and Abby’s mom iirc but particularly with the later, it’s not clear if she’s quoting verbatim or referencing her opinion of the suspect in her own words.

But you’re right, often things get repeated so many times that they appear to be facts of the case yet they’re truly misinformation.

As for “fighting back”, to me that doesn’t necessarily refer to a physical fight. It could mean non-compliant, ie fleeing. I don’t think LE knows precisely how events played out, lacking eye witnesses or a detailed confession. The 43 second video ended just as they were going down the hill so I don’t think the girls attempting to flee is out of the realm of possibilities. JMO

I *really* want to know how LG's shoe ended up on the side of the creek nearest the bridge!! I'm going to assume there was nothing remarkable about it's appearance when it was found (probably not bloody, not stupid muddy) not soaking wet because it probably didn't go INTO the creek to begin with. I'm *assuming* she lost it there or kicked off there as a clue to those she knew would be soon looking for her if she didn't meet dad at the meeting spot. I wonder if her phone record from the company or the phone itself will show if she tried to call out to get help eg: 911, dad, etc. Maybe her phone is like mine and randomly decides it won't make a call out now and then. It dials fine but simply won't connect and then you have to reboot the phone entirely to make the call out function work.

 

[photographer4]

I hate speculation but here I go- the discovery of Libby’s shoe in the water lead me to think she attempted to run but there was an incident whether she stumbled in the water or he restrained her somehow causing shoe to come loose in water. There were additional items of clothing found in water, some state it’s a sweater so it’s possible, again speculating, the clothing could be sweatshirt that Kelsi gave Libby and it too fell off during attempt to run.

This trial needs to provide answers.

From a Gray Hughes Video found here:

At the 53:26 minute mark, if you watch / listen / view the screen shot from the video, you can hear Kelsi describe where LIbby's shoe was located. It wasn't found *in* the water, but near the water. I hope this helps clarify a little. I know how much info there is and how confusing it can all be!

 

[Dhighsmith]

From a Gray Hughes Video found here:

At the 53:26 minute mark, if you watch / listen / view the screen shot from the video, you can hear Kelsi describe where LIbby's shoe was located. It wasn't found *in* the water, but near the water. I hope this helps clarify a little. I know how much info there is and how confusing it can all be!


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Thanks so much for clarifying.

 

[DeDee]

I *really* want to know how LG's shoe ended up on the side of the creek nearest the bridge!! I'm going to assume there was nothing remarkable about it's appearance when it was found (probably not bloody, not stupid muddy) not soaking wet because it probably didn't go INTO the creek to begin with. I'm *assuming* she lost it there or kicked off there as a clue to those she knew would be soon looking for her if she didn't meet dad at the meeting spot. < RSBMFF >

There is an image of the shoe in the mud in one of GH's more recent videos. JMHOO
Libby was wearing black hi top famous brand sneakers. The black tennis shoe is sort of upside down in the mud with other debris around it as I recall. IMO, the shoe got bogged down in the mud and the muck. She was likely being dragged across the creek bed when her foot came out of the shoe.

There was a lot of evidence at the CS and we don't know half of it yet. What did he make them do? Strip their clothes off while in the Creek? In the end, I do believe he tried to hide their bodies, hide what he had done, by placing leaves and twigs over them. He had a little bit of conscious left.

 

[MassGuy]

Used AI to create this poem:

On that fateful eve, two girls set forth,
To a bridge unknown, unaware of their worth.
Little did they know, their lives to sever,
In the grips of darkness, they'd be lost forever.

With hearts full of hope, they ventured near,
Unaware of the danger, impending and severe.
But amidst the shadows, one possessed courage rare,
She bravely filmed their encounter, capturing the snare.

In the web of deceit, a killer concealed,
His wickedness concealed, his heart unrevealed.
Yet, in that moment, their destinies entwined,
For justice would prevail, their spirits intertwined.

The video, a testament, the evidence so clear,
The key to unlock the truth, to quell their fear.
With the weight of truth, they nailed the heinous foe,
Unmasking the killer, letting justice finally flow.

In memory of those girls, their lives unjustly taken,
Their bravery immortalized, their spirits unshaken.
May their story be a reminder, a call to remain aware,
To protect one another, and ensure justice is always there.

 

[Pseudonymph]

This is probably what you were remembered reading -

Grandfather of one of murdered Indiana teens: I know she fought killer

Dennis Bridge, 59, lost granddaughter Liberty German 14, when she and friend Abigail Williams were murdered on a hike outside Delphi, Indiana. He tells DailyMail.com she would have 'put up a fight'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

“The grandfather of one of the teens found murdered in rural Indiana believes his 'strong-willed girl' put up a fight for her life….”

Yep, that’s it. Thank you for making me feel less crazy!

Even if there was no sign of a struggle where the bodies were found, the scene may have been staged so that doesn’t mean a thing. Over the wide range from the bridge to where they were found, through the creek, they may have tried all kinds of things to get away.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thanks so much for clarifying.

At the 2:10 mark on Gray Hughes video, it states that Abby was on the bridge and BG was behind her while Libby is off the end of the bridge filming. Abby runs off the end of the bridge behind Libby and then Libby moves over to allow RA to come off the bridge. The man says "Guys", then a few words, then you hear what is believed to a gun being cocked and then "down the hill". Gray says there is no indication that either of the girls knew BG at all.

Interesting

MOO

 

[TL4S]

From a Gray Hughes Video found here:

At the 53:26 minute mark, if you watch / listen / view the screen shot from the video, you can hear Kelsi describe where LIbby's shoe was located. It wasn't found *in* the water, but near the water. I hope this helps clarify a little. I know how much info there is and how confusing it can all be!


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The shoe location has always been of interest to me, because I felt it would give a better indication of how things might have unfolded. I've heard KG tell the story about the searchers calling up the hill about the shoe, the deer, and the bodies being found on several interviews, and ultimately, I still don't think we really know the location of the shoe, or even which side of the creek it was on. KG never saw the shoe, so I find it just as plausible that searchers spotted the shoe on the north bank. Footprints on the south side could have been seen entering the creek, where a person would naturally look across the creek for exit footprints. According to the affidavit, clothing from both victims were located in the creek, just south of where the bodies were. From old MSM photos, that location was on the north bank.

All we really know is that KG and some searchers were on the south side when the bodies were located, but what we haven't heard is if there were searchers on the north side, and/or if groups of searchers were in radio contact with one another. All just my take on things KG has said.

 

[FromGermany1]

What I don't understand being done by RA:

How odd is the idea to walk a trail in the woods, being on a mission possibly, and wearing the clothing, every second average man in that environment would wear (blue jeans, blue jacket, cap/hat), BUT having a scarf or similar under your nose? On a very mild February day around noon?? If you are no biker and you are not also dressed like a biker (leather clothing, black)?? - The scarf alone must have given a creepy-like impression of yourself. Creepy, suspect or mentally "not quite together", I would have thought as one of the witnesses. Didn't RA worry at all?

 

[FrostedGlass]

We're getting little bits and pieces of info through all of these docs. I remember we had that discussion about how many juveniles the walking witness saw. She said she saw 4 but some thought she might have just thought she saw 4. Finally we know there were 4 but we don't know why they only interviewed 3.

The redacted ISP case number has now been revealed. that at least gives us insight as to how their case numbering system works.

What else have we learned that puzzled us?

One more: we know RA was still in White Co. when he wrote the letter requesting a public defender.