IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #173

[FrostedGlass]

I perceived DC as downplaying it a little, there was actually this line also in your above snipped portion in response to the direct question 'if there were any special arrangements being made' because the Legislature will be in full swing also:
<snipped>
Carter said in anticipation of Allen’s visit, ISP’s special operations unit will be assigned to the Indiana Statehouse before, during and after the Supreme Court hearing “We’ll take the relevant precautions. Most people won’t even see him,” Carter said.

And this:
<snipped>
Asked about the overall impact on business taking place inside the Capitol building, Carter said he expects there to be little.
“Zero. Business will continue to happen just like it does normally,” Carter said.

JMO

LOL.. OR he could have just said: "I have no indication that RA will be at the hearing. If we are notified of his transport, we'll be ready with additional security."

 

[girlhasnoname]

LOL.. OR he could have just said: "I have no indication that RA will be at the hearing. If we are notified of his transport, we'll be ready with additional security."

Of course but that would be too easy. I'd vote for ball gags on the entire group of them until after the hearing. LOL

 

[Betty P]

This article is a week old, but it seems appropriate to post it anyway. Can't believe its been so long since these girls were murdered, but its a relief that justice is moving forward.

Libby German fondly remembered on what would have been her 21st birthday

Libby and her friend, Abby Williams, were killed along a trail in Delphi nearly seven years ago.

www.wthr.com

 

[Sheila Terranova]

Help please. Would someone kindly
refresh my memory? What finally led the police to Allen as a suspect? After so many years? I have short term memory loss, thank you this is driving me crazy. I can’t find it Or remember it. Thank you!

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Help please. Would someone kI sly refresh my memory? What finally led the police to Allen as a suspect? After so many years? I have short term memory loss, thank you this is driving me crazy. I can’t find it Or remember it. Thank you!

That’s is a good question.
LE said it was from their locating a misfiled report about RA‘s talking with a conservation officer shortly after the murders.
Personally, I don’t believe it. Even if the file was misplaced and LE found it, there is absolutely nothing in it that would be a red flag to LE and make them think “ oh wow! We need to talk to this guy.”.

 

[MichMan015]

Yes there is - he admitted to being there!!!

 

[GoBuckeyes]

That’s is a good question.
LE said it was from their locating a misfiled report about RA‘s talking with a conservation officer shortly after the murders.
Personally, I don’t believe it. Even if the file was misplaced and LE found it, there is absolutely nothing in it that would be a red flag to LE and make them think “ oh wow! We need to talk to this guy.”.

I agree!! jmoo

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I might not have been clear.
I believe they probably got the right guy in RA, I just don’t think a discovered report led LE to him. Nothing but my opinion.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Help please. Would someone kindly
refresh my memory? What finally led the police to Allen as a suspect? After so many years? I have short term memory loss, thank you this is driving me crazy. I can’t find it Or remember it. Thank you!

I believe he was tipped in myself. I find it odd that LE would just stumble upon his info. from the early days of the crime after all those years, but maybe a new pair of eyes (or team) went through each tip one by one and ran across the one provided by RA.

It couldn't scream more of a possibility to me if RA had said he'd done it. It really angers me that the information was overlooked.

Anything is possible, but I still believe he was tipped in somehow, maybe even by someone he knows.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

However you look at it, he did give the tip interview to the conservation officer who did log it, and it wasn't followed up. So regardless of how they came to look at him, at least that much happened.

it could be that once someone tipped him, they trawled their case files to see if they had identified him, and discovered the original tip.

I guess it doesn't really matter, but i am not sure why LE would lie about this?

 

[girlhasnoname]

However you look at it, he did give the tip interview to the conservation officer who did log it, and it wasn't followed up. So regardless of how they came to look at him, at least that much happened.

it could be that once someone tipped him, they trawled their case files to see if they had identified him, and discovered the original tip.

RS&BBM

I guess it doesn't really matter, but i am not sure why LE would lie about this?

I believe it is going to matter big time to a jury how LE came to arrest RA after all these years, and why or if they misrepresented or lied about it.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

RS&BBM

I believe it is going to matter big time to a jury how LE came to arrest RA after all these years, and why or if they misrepresented or lied about it.

JMO

There are always errors in investigations. Sometimes they happen because of ignorance to information, sometimes stupidity in ignoring information and sometimes, as it turns out, too much unrelated information clouding up the investigative minds and wasting precious time and assets. I don't think LE lied about the circumstances of CO interview, I think it unfortunately got miss filed like they said. I also am leaning towards someone tipping RA years after the murders and that sparking someone's memory and there was an all out search of every tip until they found it under the wrong last name.
AJMO

 

[TL4S]

There are always errors in investigations. Sometimes they happen because of ignorance to information, sometimes stupidity in ignoring information and sometimes, as it turns out, too much unrelated information clouding up the investigative minds and wasting precious time and assets. I don't think LE lied about the circumstances of CO interview, I think it unfortunately got miss filed like they said. I also am leaning towards someone tipping RA years after the murders and that sparking someone's memory and there was an all out search of every tip until they found it under the wrong last name.
AJMO

This is what I wonder about, as well. If any kind of tip was given in regards to a name, they had a name to look for, if that makes sense. A public search would lead to an address, and with these two pieces of information, it made it possible to spot RA's tip narrative, despite the mistake. JMO.

 

[scapa]

LOL.. OR he could have just said: "I have no indication that RA will be at the hearing. If we are notified of his transport, we'll be ready with additional security."

Agree, but since this case began DC has not met a microphone he didn't have time for. I'm on Team Oyster for all parties concerned with this case until trial, esp given the past few months, but tend to expect a (hopefully smaller, quieter) circus atmosphere to prevail, especially given the certainty of a docuseries or six.

 

[FromGermany1]

There are always errors in investigations. Sometimes they happen because of ignorance to information, sometimes stupidity in ignoring information and sometimes, as it turns out, too much unrelated information clouding up the investigative minds and wasting precious time and assets. I don't think LE lied about the circumstances of CO interview, I think it unfortunately got miss filed like they said. I also am leaning towards someone tipping RA years after the murders and that sparking someone's memory and there was an all out search of every tip until they found it under the wrong last name.
AJMO

70.000 tips to LE and no one named RA until many years later? One can't imagine it. But you may be right.

 

[Justice101]

This is what I wonder about, as well. If any kind of tip was given in regards to a name, they had a name to look for, if that makes sense. A public search would lead to an address, and with these two pieces of information, it made it possible to spot RA's tip narrative, despite the mistake. JMO.

Yes, and hindsight is always 20/20. "How could they have missed him early on??!!!!"

Well.. for one thing.. they got 50,000 tips. You trying going thru those and/or prioritizing them. Sounds easy. Reality is IT IS NOT EASY and goes in the direction of our human shortcomings and biases. Yes, they were looking for local but nobody apparently recognized him (grainy image) so they cast their net wider.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, and hindsight is always 20/20. "How could they have missed him early on??!!!!"

Well.. for one thing.. they got 50,000 tips. You trying going thru those and/or prioritizing them. Sounds easy. Reality is IT IS NOT EASY and goes in the direction of our human shortcomings and biases. Yes, they were looking for local but nobody apparently recognized him (grainy image) so they cast their net wider.

Very true, but oh so frustrating. Probably something local LE, ISP and the FBI are kicking themselves over most of all. You know they were desperately trying to find this killer.

I don't blame them, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the whole story of how they ran across RA again after all those years? Will they share that with the public?

MOO

 

[Dotta]

Very true, but oh so frustrating. Probably something local LE, ISP and the FBI are kicking themselves over most of all. You know they were desperately trying to find this killer.

I don't blame them, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the whole story of how they ran across RA again after all those years? Will they share that with the public?

MOO

Better late than never!
But...
When is the trial???
That is the only news I'm waiting for

 

[mrjitty]

70.000 tips to LE and no one named RA until many years later? One can't imagine it. But you may be right.

It's happened many times before. The lead suspect in the Maddie McCann case was tipped in by a criminal associate who was arrested for something unrelated many years later.

 

[Megnut]

Very true, but oh so frustrating. Probably something local LE, ISP and the FBI are kicking themselves over most of all. You know they were desperately trying to find this killer.

I don't blame them, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the whole story of how they ran across RA again after all those years? Will they share that with the public?

MOO

Could it be through the explosion of popular genetic testing? Did they get a match on, say, a human hair left at the scene, not from RA but transferred from a member of his household? Similar to the LISK (iirc)...

Seems like they got a lead on his property...

JMO