IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #173

[marisab67]

That’s is a good question.
LE said it was from their locating a misfiled report about RA‘s talking with a conservation officer shortly after the murders.
Personally, I don’t believe it. Even if the file was misplaced and LE found it, there is absolutely nothing in it that would be a red flag to LE and make them think “ oh wow! We need to talk to this guy.”.

Related to this I still am wondering how Officer Dulin wouldn’t have asked about the tip because certainly once he saw the video he knew that was who he talked to and he would have asked someone to look at the guy. My memory isn’t great, but I would probably remember the name or something related to the interview so close to the date of the photo being released. How many interviews did he do? So many the little guy who admitted being there slipped his mind?

 

[sunshineray]

70.000 tips to LE and no one named RA until many years later? One can't imagine it. But you may be right.

I'm thinking it may have been someone in his family that either finally did the right thing or discovered/heard shocking information. It could also have easily been from an arrest and tip on what that person had heard, being involved in the C S A M universe, and now they needed to better their situation with LE. Just some thoughts.

 

[sunshineray]

Related to this I still am wondering how Officer Dulin wouldn’t have asked about the tip because certainly once he saw the video he knew that was who he talked to and he would have asked someone to look at the guy. My memory isn’t great, but I would probably remember the name or something related to the interview so close to the date of the photo being released. How many interviews did he do? So many the little guy who admitted being there slipped his mind?

This has always bothered me too. A few scenarios would come up as possible reasons... One being, maybe he was moved somewhere other than the Delphi area and not knowing they'd wrongly transcribed his report's information he just thought, oh they must have checked into him and cleared him? Did personalities within the investigation clash with the CO and disregard his call in to say, hey did you check this guy I interviewed? Or the County, State and Federal didn't play well together, info was passed on/up, was logged but never followed up because other aspects afoot, the C S A M investigation, found nothing on a RA or the incorrect last name so they stopped digging? It was more of a nationwide search in those early days with billboards up in many states. AJMO

 

[twall]

Link to SCOIN RA hearing.

Indiana Appellate Clerk's Portal

Does anyone know if it will be available for playback? I will be at the dentist at the same time as the hearing. TIA!

 

[TL4S]

Link to SCOIN RA hearing.

Indiana Appellate Clerk's Portal

Does anyone know if it will be available for playback? I will be at the dentist at the same time as the hearing. TIA!

I believe so. They all appear to be available.

 

[Justice101]

This has always bothered me too. A few scenarios would come up as possible reasons... One being, maybe he was moved somewhere other than the Delphi area and not knowing they'd wrongly transcribed his report's information he just thought, oh they must have checked into him and cleared him? Did personalities within the investigation clash with the CO and disregard his call in to say, hey did you check this guy I interviewed? Or the County, State and Federal didn't play well together, info was passed on/up, was logged but never followed up because other aspects afoot, the C S A M investigation, found nothing on a RA or the incorrect last name so they stopped digging? It was more of a nationwide search in those early days with billboards up in many states. AJMO

Very insightful!

 

[Niner]

Better late than never!
But...
When is the trial???
That is the only news I'm waiting for

In my notes I have Oct. 15, 2024.

 

[marv hucker]

I guess it doesn't really matter, but i am not sure why LE would lie about this?

Because it looks a lot like they stuffed up fairly badly for 4.5 years.

 

[sunshineray]

KAK is not listed on IDOC as being at Wabash Valley Correctional, he's listed as being at Indiana State Prison which is in Michigan City, IN. Was he moved because of RA's tranfer to Wabash? If so, why would that occur? Just wondering.

Indiana Incarcerated Database Search

www.in.gov

Indiana State Prison

www.in.gov

 

[technicallymissing]

KAK is not listed on IDOC as being at Wabash Valley Correctional, he's listed as being at Indiana State Prison which is in Michigan City, IN. Was he moved because of RA's tranfer to Wabash? If so, why would that occur? Just wondering.

Indiana Incarcerated Database Search

www.in.gov

Indiana State Prison

www.in.gov

KAK recently emailed Murder Sheet podcast about the transfer- his words were "I'm being transferred to Miami prison because of f'ing Richard Allen, I'm so p***ed, just giving you an update". (profanity censored by me for Websleuths rules) MS does immediately point out that KAK has a credibility problem and just because he says he is being transferred because of RA does not mean that is true. They begin discussing the situation at about 1:55 at this link if you or anyone else is interested in listening:

The Delphi Murders: Kegan Kline Appeals His Sentence

Kegan Kline has filed to appeal his sentence. He was convicted on multiple counts pertaining to his cache of child sexual abuse materials. He was once looked...

murdersheetpodcast.com

note: the prison KAK refers to at the time of his email is "Miami" yet he is currently listed in Indiana State Prison like you said, not sure what to make of that other than maybe he was supposed to go to Miami first and plans changed so he was put in Indiana instead?

 

[Gemmie]

KAK recently emailed Murder Sheet podcast about the transfer- his words were "I'm being transferred to Miami prison because of f'ing Richard Allen, I'm so p***ed, just giving you an update". (profanity censored by me for Websleuths rules) MS does immediately point out that KAK has a credibility problem and just because he says he is being transferred because of RA does not mean that is true. They begin discussing the situation at about 1:55 at this link if you or anyone else is interested in listening:

The Delphi Murders: Kegan Kline Appeals His Sentence

Kegan Kline has filed to appeal his sentence. He was convicted on multiple counts pertaining to his cache of child sexual abuse materials. He was once looked...

murdersheetpodcast.com

note: the prison KAK refers to at the time of his email is "Miami" yet he is currently listed in Indiana State Prison like you said, not sure what to make of that other than maybe he was supposed to go to Miami first and plans changed so he was put in Indiana instead?

KAK probably meant the Miami Correctional Facility in Bunker Hill, IN.

 

[sunshineray]

KAK recently emailed Murder Sheet podcast about the transfer- his words were "I'm being transferred to Miami prison because of f'ing Richard Allen, I'm so p***ed, just giving you an update". (profanity censored by me for Websleuths rules) MS does immediately point out that KAK has a credibility problem and just because he says he is being transferred because of RA does not mean that is true. They begin discussing the situation at about 1:55 at this link if you or anyone else is interested in listening:

The Delphi Murders: Kegan Kline Appeals His Sentence

Kegan Kline has filed to appeal his sentence. He was convicted on multiple counts pertaining to his cache of child sexual abuse materials. He was once looked...

murdersheetpodcast.com

note: the prison KAK refers to at the time of his email is "Miami" yet he is currently listed in Indiana State Prison like you said, not sure what to make of that other than maybe he was supposed to go to Miami first and plans changed so he was put in Indiana instead?

Yeah I sat on this info for a couple days because I thought the IDOC was just generically using "Indiana State Prison" until I realized there used to be two of those, a North ISP and South ISP. The South ISP burnt down in 1922 and then there was one just known as Indiana State Prison. I'm looking at it thinking, well they have to list where someone is and KAK is, as far as we knew, in Wabash but that's not what it says? I can only conclude he was moved to Michigan City. JMO
Wonder why there's been no news reporting on this?

 

[DeDee]

I'm on a new device and cannot yet post links; however, there is a new court file by RA's attorney, Robert Scremin. There's a news article on WISHTV.com if someone can post it. TIA

 

[margarita25]

I'm on a new device and cannot yet post links; however, there is a new court file by RA's attorney, Robert Scremin. There's a news article on WISHTV.com if someone can post it. TIA

Richard Allen's new attorneys request his transfer, allege mistreatment

The attorneys for the man accused of killing two teens have requested that Richard Allen be transferred out of the Wabash Valley Prison

www.wishtv.com

 

[StarryStarryNight]

This has always bothered me too. A few scenarios would come up as possible reasons... One being, maybe he was moved somewhere other than the Delphi area and not knowing they'd wrongly transcribed his report's information he just thought, oh they must have checked into him and cleared him? Did personalities within the investigation clash with the CO and disregard his call in to say, hey did you check this guy I interviewed? Or the County, State and Federal didn't play well together, info was passed on/up, was logged but never followed up because other aspects afoot, the C S A M investigation, found nothing on a RA or the incorrect last name so they stopped digging? It was more of a nationwide search in those early days with billboards up in many states. AJMO

A very good list of possibilities.
I definitely don’t think County, State or Federal LE were playing well together, early on or throughout the investigation.
My thoughts about the CO is he was probably being asked to do his regular job and a bunch of extra things trying to help out immediately after the murders, like interviewing people that were on the trail.
He did not ask probing questions about what RA was wearing etc because at that time LE didn’t even know they had an image of a guy on Libby’s phone. I feel he turned a short stack of reports in and figured LE would sort them out. RA’s report didn’t stand out from the others, and he probably never thought about it again. In fact the CO’s opinion on what needed to be followed up on was “potential follow-up information: Who were the three girls walking near Freedom Bridge”. He didn’t seem interested in RA at all.

 

[iamshadow21]

Richard Allen's new attorneys request his transfer, allege mistreatment

The attorneys for the man accused of killing two teens have requested that Richard Allen be transferred out of the Wabash Valley Prison

www.wishtv.com

So, new band, but playing the same song.

 

[tlcya]

The request also describes a guard at the prison who has “a symbolic face tattoo of Odin’s Spear and multiple hand and finger tattoos emblematic of Odinism and/or Norse mythology. This same prison guard had a public Facebook account that also displayed the same tattoos in addition to a necklace with “Thor’s Hammer” inscribed with the letters BRSRCR, an acronym for “berserker” which is a very specific type of Norse battle ax and the name given to warriors fighting in honor of Odin. Other photos displayed three interlocking triangles; another symbol associated with Odinism.”
Richard Allen's new attorneys request his transfer, allege mistreatment

so a guard's tattoos are now indications of a conspiracy to intimidate RA

This just tells me that RA's new attorneys have nowhere to go with their defense either and must continue down this scary group of Odinists ritually sacrificed these girls and for reasons unknown LE and the DA have framed poor RA path that previous defense put forth. GMAFB JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

So, new band, but playing the same song.

Very disappointing.

 

[photographer4]

Richard Allen's new attorneys request his transfer, allege mistreatment

The attorneys for the man accused of killing two teens have requested that Richard Allen be transferred out of the Wabash Valley Prison

www.wishtv.com

I just read the actual filing - the motion to move RA to a county facility and I'm impressed with the standard of writing (compared against former attorneys for RA), and also surprised to learn that there is a guard who didn't wear an Odin patch but, "one of the guards did have a symbolic face tattoo of Odin's Spear..." (snipped from the motion). The lawyer went on to note that the guard's personal social media has Odin symbols etc visible to the public. While I'm not sure a guard's personal FB should be at issue, I am wondering how the hell a guard at such a facility can get away with a face tattoo of this nature?

The motion goes on to describe RA as being shackled in a manner akin to that of Hannibal Lecter in the book / film Silence of the Lambs. That is atrocious and it seems overkill to me!!

 

[Justice101]

So, new band, but playing the same song.

No, it's RA hamming it up again. Doing his little song and dance.