IN - Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #174

[steeltowngirl]

I'm not painting the judge as anything other than what she appears to be: biased against the Defense Counsel. In regards to the leaks, I cannot hold AB liable for that. He was IN his office, he had no reason to think that someone he had a seemingly decent relationship with was going to enter the "war room" (as it were) and illegal access / take photos of crime scene evidence which he would then disseminate amongst others. How on earth was he supposed to predict that event? I could see him having a problem if he were NOT in the office and this random guy off the street gained access to his office and did that.

But think about your own offices - if you have a conference room, do you lock that whilst you're in say your cubicle next door? Or whilst you run to the restroom? Probably not. Especially if you're just taking a quick call or sending a fast email. Even less likely if you're not expecting a visitor, or if the visitor you expect is a trusted friend.

Perhaps AB was conned by his buddy. Social engineering.

In the context of a workplace and conference room, if sensitive documents are left in the open and compromised (even during a run to the restroom), the worker who left them exposed is still responsible.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I've felt there were (still are) a lot of folk pounding keyboards insisting ritual sacrifice was the defense's SODDI motive ... when to my reading, the FM made it clear it was only the appearance of a ritual that led FBI down the road of Odenist investigation. JMHO.

Bottom line, people don't read (briefs) and social media is the (real) devil. (more JMHO.)

Keyboard pounder here.

If the FM wasn’t intended to lead us to think Odinism and rituals weren’t the motive, (was just appearances) - why did they go into extensive detail about individuals who they allege actually practice Odinism?

 

[photographer4]

Just in case anyone isn't aware Judge Gull never asked to be assigned to this case. The SCOIN assigned this task to her because Diener was afraid to do it.

I don't believe that she was likely overjoyed at the news. Still, she accepted the task and worked on it without complaint.

Judge Gull worked as a prosecutor for sex crimes against women and children and finished that part of her career with prosecuting other high profile crimes including homicides and arson.

She has been charitable and had an honorable career.

Has she made some bad calls in the Delphi case? Yeah. Still, she is working on it after a lot of scrutiny and drama and is not cowering in fear over threats.


If she feels the need to recuse, I respect that. If she decides to continue, I respect that even more.


Judge Frances C. Gull | Trellis

Has she been threatened as a result of her involvement with this case?

 

[photographer4]

Perhaps AB was conned by his buddy. Social engineering.

In the context of a workplace and conference room, if sensitive documents are left in the open and compromised (even during a run to the restroom), the worker who left them exposed is still responsible.

And he was being responsible in my view - he was present. It’s not on him that his friend was a jerk. Very interested to see what happens in the case against his friend actually.

 

[Ravenmoon]

Has she been threatened as a result of her involvement with this case?

I see nothing to indicate that she was ot was not.
Why would she be any different than Diener?
Just because she doesn't bring everything to the public eye doesn't mean that she hasn't had issues.


JMO

 

[Emma Peel]

Keyboard pounder here.

If the FM wasn’t intended to lead us to think Odinism and rituals weren’t the motive, (was just appearances) - why did they go into extensive detail about individuals who they allege actually practice Odinism?

to criticize the investigation. to create doubt. to highlight the staging. to do their job. JMHO

 

[photographer4]

I see nothing to indicate that she was ot was not.
Why would she be any different than Diener?
Just because she doesn't bring everything to the public eye doesn't mean that she hasn't had issues.


JMO

Is that why Deiner recused himself? Who could blame him if he was threatened? I wouldn’t want this case either. But I would like to know, if he was threatened, what was he threatened with and by whom?

 

[steeltowngirl]

to criticize the investigation. to create doubt. to highlight the staging. to do their job. JMHO

I get that. Can you please clarify this part? I took it to mean the FM didn’t intend to point to Odinism, only the appearance of Odinism. They even made a point that RA isn't one. If they were only pointing to appearances / staging, RA could have done that.

“insisting ritual sacrifice was the defense's SODDI motive ... when to my reading, the FM made it clear it was only the appearance of a ritual that led FBI down the road of Odenist investigation. JMHO.”

 

[Ravenmoon]

Is that why Deiner recused himself? Who could blame him if he was threatened? I wouldn’t want this case either. But I would like to know, if he was threatened, what was he threatened with and by whom?

Judge worried for family's safety after sealing court docs in Delphi murders recused from case

 

[Cyber sleuth]

Well, it wouldn’t be the first time MSM got things wrong. Who supplied the multiple networks with the story? They all likely got it from the same source. The guards, the prison warden, LE or anyone else interested in furthering a narrative? Did they exaggerate? The source…..matters. JMO

It was taken from the sworn affidavit by Warden John Galipeau.

Page 8 line point 12

That the defendant was afforded the used of an electronic tablet where he can make calls, send texts and download music, which is an amenity that other inmates do not have, and he broke it.


https://fox59.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/21/2023/06/DelphiDocumentsCombined.pdf

I’ll keep looking to see if I can find evidence that he “ smashed” it. It has definitely been reported that it was intentional.

 

[katydid23]

I didn't say he should be released. I said they should get him out of prison.

In the US, we have rights. We don't imprison innocent people in the eyes of the law. We confine them in county jails until they go to trial. If found guilty, then they go to prison.

There was not a huge difference between the two locations. Either way he is incarcerated, locked up, awaiting his trial.

 

[zh0r4]

Emphasis by tlcya

The problem as I see it is this:

What is this ample evidence you reference? Because many of us haven't seen it. All we have see IMO is a Franks Motion which ALLEGES such evidence exists. Do you have links to the evidence? Or it just the Franks Motion with its allegations? Because in my mind, evidence and allegation are two entirely different animals. JMO

Evidence and allegations don’t only work one way. I haven’t heard any recordings of confessions or seen any transcripts of recordings of confessions. The burden of proof falls on the prosecution. Their case is likely weak otherwise I highly doubt all of this drama in the case would have occurred and I highly doubt the P or JG would care who his defense attorneys are-the P would be confident they could convict him regardless. JMO.

 

[photographer4]

Judge worried for family's safety after sealing court docs in Delphi murders recused from case

Wow. Ty.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Evidence and allegations don’t only work one way. I haven’t heard any recordings of confessions or seen any transcripts of recordings of confessions. The burden of proof falls on the prosecution. Their case is likely weak otherwise I highly doubt all of this drama in the case would have occurred and I highly doubt the P or JG would care who his defense attorneys are-the P would be confident they could convict him regardless. JMO.

I believe the concern is that if he is convicted, he can appeal on grounds of ineffective counsel.

 

[zh0r4]

I wouldn't begin to answer for a retired FBI agent, however, I disagree with your statement (bbm).

In addition, do you have a link that would confirm RL was looked at very hard, and, if so, it's greatly appreciated. I wasn't able to locate an article, and wasn't privy to those details, and RL is deceased now so did the investigation stop at that point? TIA

Can the media not file a FOIA in this case? Although citizens can also filed a FOIA, media outlets are typically more successful.

JMO.

 

[zh0r4]

I believe the concern is that if he is convicted, he can appeal on grounds of ineffective counsel.

Correct, this is also true re: legitimate concerns in this case.

 

[Cyber sleuth]

I can see where it could be used to control family but what's the benefit for him to do it in prison?

My opinion is that threatening suicide had served him as means of control in the past and thought it would garner sympathy from those that were holding him at the time. I doubt he had any idea that it would come with such restricting consequences.
All of this is just my opinion based on his reported record of behavior.

 

[kae27]

There was not a huge difference between the two locations. Either way he is incarcerated, locked up, awaiting his trial.

I'm confused by this. Which "two locations" are you referring to? There is, in fact, a huge difference between a jail and prison so I think maybe I'm misunderstanding if those are the two to which you're referring.

And in fact if you believe there is not a huge difference, then why would he be required to be in a space that is so unusual for a pre-trial detention? Others have alleged it is necessary for some reason of safety or whatnot. But if "not a huge difference," then this seems unnecessary.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Judge worried for family's safety after sealing court docs in Delphi murders recused from case​

Snipped from article:​

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Filing to move Allen to state custody​

On Nov. 2, the Carroll County sheriff filed a request to have Allen moved to the custody of the Indiana Department of Correction. The judge approved that request on Nov. 3, noting: "that Defendant is an inmate awaiting trial and is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death, or represents substantial threat to the safety of others." The judge clarified the danger was to Allen from the public. It is not related to any of Allen's actions since being taken into custody.

 

[mrjitty]

I get that. Can you please clarify this part? I took it to mean the FM didn’t intend to point to Odinism, only the appearance of Odinism. They even made a point that RA isn't one. If they were only pointing to appearances / staging, RA could have done that.

“insisting ritual sacrifice was the defense's SODDI motive ... when to my reading, the FM made it clear it was only the appearance of a ritual that led FBI down the road of Odenist investigation. JMHO.”

My take is the Franks was a way to get the sensationalist theory out there, but at trial, query whether much of it would be admissible in terms of the blow by blow accounting of first this guy made a facebook post then months later another guy made a facebook post - a judge won't allow a fishing expedition of stuff that at best, doesn't prove they had anything to do with the murders.

So I think at this stage the main point was to build a public narrative - but at trial, the point will be about an investigation that wasn't completed.