Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #86

[Jabarn]

Seriously. Wasn't he currently unemployed?

As far as the business card, he may have wanted to appear like someone important. It may have been from the insurance job he abandoned or some other misrepresentation. Luckily, he got caught by it. Hope other small town bars like this with missing girls are thinking back. Some of the places even put the business cards under a plastic shield over the dining tables. It wouldn’t hurt to take a second look, and as it appears to be years before these kinds of crimes are solved, don’t stop with the recent.

 

[raja]

I think the business card was probably the one for his new coffee venture which also I think had his home address on it . I am thinking more and more he wanted caught..."here is my business card and I am leaving you 2 live witnesses and I am committing my crime just down the street where I enjoy a beer or two . Catch me if you can".

 

[Inthedetails]

Sleuths, you are amazing! Don’t waste time on those who do not follow rules, the snarky folks, or those who make blanket statements! KEEP going!!

Thanks for that encouragement. Seriously.

Don't like snark when we're on a case!

jmo

 

[heartgoesout]

Correct me if I'm wrong. He worked at the insurance company for three weeks??
Or was it just that particular insurance company that was short lived?

 

[carbuff]

I think the business card was probably the one for his new coffee venture which also I think had his home address on it . I am thinking more and more he wanted caught..."here is my business card and I am leaving you 2 live witnesses and I am committing my crime just down the street where I enjoy a beer or two . Catch me if you can".

Either wanted caught, or simply got too arrogant thinking how smart he was and they'd never catch him.

 

[Inthedetails]

Either wanted caught, or simply got too arrogant thinking how smart he was and they'd never catch him.

And/or he really compartmentalizes his life. The TB handing out b-cards to waitresses wasn't the same TB raping and killing a few minutes later, perhaps, in his mind.

I have a hunch he think his "evil" side is invisible. And I think he gets off on that too.

jmo

 

[Jabarn]

I think the business card was probably the one for his new coffee venture which also I think had his home address on it . I am thinking more and more he wanted caught..."here is my business card and I am leaving you 2 live witnesses and I am committing my crime just down the street where I enjoy a beer or two . Catch me if you can".

Hey there Raja! I had to work all day, and am coming in as blank slate for any new escapades from TB, and it may be I am in the wrong thread, for sure. He has a new coffee venture?

This is a down right a strange murder and SA. On the surface it seems simple enough he spent some time drinking at hot shots, in the same strip mall as Catholic Supply, and he went out looking. He didn’t get too far before finding a perfect place. It’s hard to imagine it could be that simplistic, but it could be. Urg.

The hat. The age. I still can’t overlook it. Can you help with the coffee angle?

 

[heartgoesout]

I'm just reading on the TB thread. Good article.

Catholic Supply suspect requests public defender

Shortly before the shooting, Bruce visited the Hotshots sports bar in the same shopping plaza, said Amanda Hodge, a regular customer who lives in the Metro East.

Hodge was sharing a meal with a friend at the bar when Bruce sat next her and tried to cut in on their conversation, asking if he could buy their food and drinks, she said. She declined and turned back to her friend but Bruce cut in again to ask for her first name, which she gave.

“Then I said, ‘What’s yours?’” Hodge said. “He hesitated before he said, ‘Thomas.’”

Bruce, who told Hodge he was not trying to flirt with her, continued to interrupt Hodge as she tried to talk to her friend, saying, “Mandy, you have a beautiful smile,” multiple times and calling her “amazing Amanda” twice, Hodge said.

“I just felt, like, at first he was a just a nice guy,” she said. “I realized toward the end that he was kind of flirting.”

Hodge and her friend left the bar about 2:45 p.m. as Bruce turned away from them to talk to someone else at the bar. The shooting was reported to police about 3:19 p.m.

When she heard reports about the shooting and the suspect’s description, Hodge thought of Bruce, she said. She later recognized him in a jail booking photo taken after his arrest.

“My heart just fell down to the ground,” she said. “I’m still in shock.”

 

[heartgoesout]

Jabarn, TB seems to have been interested in opening a coffee shop. He has a ammeter website for it but it never came to fruition.
Coincidently, there was a church in Delphi that operated or had a home base of sorts in a coffee shop.

 

[heartgoesout]

'You never know people': Neighbors of suspected Catholic Supply shooter speak out

Neighbor mentions TB used a bad back as an excuse to get out of yard work.

 

[heartgoesout]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.st...9c19b6e3-8f8e-588f-9274-b603de9dc7e7.amp.html

I knew I saw three weeks.

“About a year ago, Bruce started as a staffer working for an American Family Insurance agent in Maryland Heights, company spokesman Ken Muth said. But Bruce hadn’t shown up to the office for an extended period of time, Muth said.

The agent, who is considered an independent contractor with American Family Insurance, is cooperating with the police investigation, Muth said. He did not have more information.

An American Family agent who asked not to be identified said Bruce spent three weeks with the agent’s office in early 2017 before resigning. The agent described Bruce as being quiet, but ultimately not a good fit for the office.”

 

[heartgoesout]

Long shot but maybe he trained at the office near Delphi. Probably not though.
So how did someone from American Insurance say they hadn’t heard from him in 12 days?
I’m so confused!

 

[kkdj]

TB is not BG. Neither was RL or DN.

BBM
Do you know this or is this your opinion?
I'm not convinced TB is BG but I'm not convinced he's not either.

 

[kkdj]

Either wanted caught, or simply got too arrogant thinking how smart he was and they'd never catch him.

Which tells me this isn't his first rodeo. And I think it's arrogance because he's gotten away with it so many times.
I also think we will be hearing about more solved rapes and maybe murders and maybe even in other countries.

 

[MntnHiker]

Hmm the article about him flirting with/bothering the woman at the bar before hand. A couple thoughts--was his first intention to rape and possibly kill her that day? I'm also assuming the friend she was eating with was female. So perhaps planned on it with both of them, hoping to talk them into leaving the bar or whatever, but she kept ignoring him.

A second thought was that maybe he felt rejected by her and that set him off in a rage, so he immediately left and then committed this awful crime.

MOO

 

[gregjrichards]

I was just wondering from any locals if the case is still discussed in the community and if the posters were still up?

I also wondered if the trail was still used with the safety updates or whether people were avoiding it. I imagine it would be very difficult going for a leisurely stroll knowing something so horrendous and evil had happened there.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I tend to agree with you. I do think he's guilty of more than we know right now, but I'm just not seeing any connection at this time to Delphi. He looks similar, but there's nothing yet to show that he would have been in that area enough to know the bridge and the subsequent terrain around it. Whoever BG is, he knew where to lead the girls and how to get around that area. I've always felt BG was someone who grew up in Delphi and had prior roots there, but no ties to the area any longer.

Maybe, TB is good in getting to know new acquaintances over a cool beer or a delicious snack at his stops, while he is driving "leisurely" along rural areas. Later on he may have visited one or another of his new "friends" and spied out, what he wanted to learn - who knows.

 

[minazoe]

his days of trolling for victims are over.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

on the TB thread some one read on SM that he enjoys visiting parks. Visits a park in St Louis on a monthly basis..such good sleuthers here..MOO . likes taking long drives and short walks.

Creepo.

MOO

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<modsnip - wrong username cited>. He allegedly is Scotsman1965 on TripAdvisor.

Flying Scotsman has been described as the world's most famous steam locomotive.

 

[Medstudies]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.st...9c19b6e3-8f8e-588f-9274-b603de9dc7e7.amp.html

I knew I saw three weeks.

“About a year ago, Bruce started as a staffer working for an American Family Insurance agent in Maryland Heights, company spokesman Ken Muth said. But Bruce hadn’t shown up to the office for an extended period of time, Muth said.

The agent, who is considered an independent contractor with American Family Insurance, is cooperating with the police investigation, Muth said. He did not have more information.

An American Family agent who asked not to be identified said Bruce spent three weeks with the agent’s office in early 2017 before resigning. The agent described Bruce as being quiet, but ultimately not a good fit for the office.”

so his first gig with the one branch of AFI (Maryland Heights) was short lived because he “hadn’t shown up to the office for an extended period of time” and he just repeated the same thing with a different AFI?

I’m confused too. Here’s a link to MH AFI:
Jim Vitale Agency LLC - About The Team

TB is still listed on the team...

ETA - they may want to update that particular page.