Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, and Liberty (Libby) German, 14/The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #86

[MntnHiker]

It's possible if BG was there for the train thing, he did not come in intending to commit murder. I think (MOO) that he probably has committed crimes before, but he may not have set out saying "I'm going to this train thing and then I will murder people on Monday." He may have pounced on the opportunity of being on a totally isolated trail with these two girls, saw them, and decided to act. In that instance, if BG WAS in town for a train thing, he may have stayed at a nearby hotel by credit card. I think it's an interesting angle, and I hope LE (if they haven't already) looked into who stayed at all nearby hotels on Sunday night (I personally don't think the murderer would have stayed over on Monday night--I'm sure he would have gotten out of town right after committing this crime).

 

[Brubon]

Wouldn't a murderer not wish to leave any evidence, that he was in the area?
Any purchase would be by cash.
MOO.

Remember, TB left his business card a few doors down from where he murdered a woman in the Catholic Supply Store. He may have left not only crumbs of evidence, but entire slices of bread. MOO
Prayers for the families of Abby and Libby.

 

[inmyhumbleopinion]

Interesting if LE checked all credit card receipts for February 2017. He most likely paid with a credit card for both the train ticket and hotel room. If we had a time line
to place TB at Monon High Bridge
gives the connection we need.

Great sleuthing inmyhumbleopinuon

Thank you for your kind words, book-thinker. And thank you, @heartgoesout, for reminding us of the crime location’s (the bridge in particular) possible connection to things train-related given its history.

Due to its timing, this event and people involved may be something LE would want to look into, if they haven’t already, perhaps starting with males who stayed in hotels within walking distance of the Amtrak station in Lafayette (“Station parking is not available”; I’m not sure if that was the case in Feb., 2017). The Rail Rangers program ran for three months on multiple dates. It would be an arduous task, but perhaps they can identify someone who stayed in the area only on the dates associated with it.

They may want to interview the Rail Rangers also, showing them the photo of BG to see if any of them recognizes him.

I keep thinking that BG is at least somewhat familiar with the Monon High Bridge Trail. If a person participated in the program more than once, he might have visited the trail more than once also. The Rangers may also remember someone who kept coming back.

[Start: Possible Scenario]
As to TB, say, he was on the train that ran on Sunday, February 5.

He takes a train back to Lafayette that night and stays at a hotel near the station. The following morning, he leaves for Flint to visit relatives. On his way there, he decides to take a hike along the High Bridge Trail since it’s on the route anyway. He stays with family for the next week.

He planned to be home back in MO the following Monday (February 13, 2017) evening. He starts out, then decides to go back to the Trail; it only adds an hour to the trip anyway. It’s also almost exactly halfway between Flint and Overland (I believe that’s where he lived between 2008 and this past summer, when his home was foreclosed on), so it would be a nice rest stop.

Later, he goes home, acting as though nothing happened.
[End: Possible Scenario]

 

[JnRyan]

Your right, many men have their hands in their pockets. Also, do you see slouching from each suspect.
Finding a connection between the two men would help. I keep on thinking about his hat,
not many men wear this style of hat.
I wonder if he's into hunting, if so you need a hunting license not sure who gives out hunting license.
It's should be on record with the state or county.

Can't believe with a photo and voice given to the public, zero suspicion to who he is,
even based on style of dress.

You would think with voice, photo AND sketch SOMEONE would make a connection. But I have pointed out that less than a year after Morgan Harrington's murder in Charlottesville VA, LE released a sketch of what her killer looked like. The murderer was Jesse Matthew, who resided in Charlottesville, and his co-workers kidded him about how the sketch looked like him. Matthew had a history of sexual assaults, too. None of them called it in to LE and LE had the DNA of Morgan's killer. Almost five years later, Matthew murdered UVA student, Hannah Graham.

It makes me wonder if somewhere a group of folks look at this and then point to BG and say, "Hey look! It looks just like you! Ha-ha!"

 

[Falcon500]

Happens all the time.

 

[MntnHiker]

Don't most hotels also require that you give them a credit card to put on file for incidentals (like if you charge something to the room or cause damage?) I can't remember the last time I stayed at a hotel or motel that didn't require a CC to be kept on file. Maybe some fly-by-night motel type places wouldn't? Of the hotels and motels located near the trail system/Delphi, does anyone know if any would qualify as that type of place that would allow someone to only pay in cash, no CC?

 

[rainwaterstill]

I am sure that LE looked into this angle long ago, but I am throwing it out here for discussion if needed. The Purdue Memorial Union has a hotel, and many conventions from all over the country, especially those whose organizations are located in the Midwest, hold meetings on the Purdue campus, even when classes are in session. Purdue is only about a 30 minute drive from Delphi. I'm sure Purdue keeps records of what conferences were/are scheduled during specific days or weeks. You don't necessarily need to be a convention goer to stay there.

 

[JnRyan]

I am sure that LE looked into this angle long ago, but I am throwing it out here for discussion if needed. The Purdue Memorial Union has a hotel, and many conventions from all over the country, especially those whose organizations are located in the Midwest, hold meetings on the Purdue campus, even when classes are in session. Purdue is only about a 30 minute drive from Delphi. I'm sure Purdue keeps records of what conferences were/are scheduled during specific days or weeks. You don't necessarily need to be a convention goer to stay there.

Someone attending a conference or convention. That makes me think that as to why LE mentioned we should not focus on the hat in the sketch.

This photo - to me anyway - conjures up an image of a blue collar worker. A worker at a meat processing plant. A long haul truck driver. We shouldn't focus on the clothes. This could be a white collar guy. A lawyer. A bank manager. An otherwise respected executive. They had that day off for whatever reason or they were returning from a conference or convention and they changed into casual clothes for the trip back home. We have to focus on the face, the body type and not so much on the image that clothes might conjure up.

 

[ab01]

I’m just going to throw this out there imo...if BG stayed in or around Delphi in a hotel, LE would be well aware. If BG made any purchases , gas, convenience store etc, LE would be well aware. My opinion this monster slipped through the cracks either bc he lives near by and keeps to himself, or he has a connection to Delphi that is not on the radar of LE. I personally think that he is fairly local, at least to caroll county, keeps to himself and even if a friend/ family says he kind of looks like BG, they dismiss it and say nah just a coincidence...moo

Such is in many cases, when he is finally identified it will smack people in the face how obvious the connection is....jmo

 

[ab01]

I am also still a bit surprised that with all the cell phone technology available today, that a suspect was not narrowed in on by now.(or maybe there is and we don’t know) Delphi is relatively a smaller community. With cell tower logs you would think le would have been able to narrow down a suspect list by now. Either that or BG is much older than I anticipated, it’s pretty rare in 2018 to find anybody under 50 that isn’t attached to their phone 24-7. The one thing about our ever evolving loss of privacy is the ability it allows for LE to track down evil monsters. And I’m ok with that

 

[heartgoesout]

I am also still a bit surprised that with all the cell phone technology available today, that a suspect was not narrowed in on by now.(or maybe there is and we don’t know) Delphi is relatively a smaller community. With cell tower logs you would think le would have been able to narrow down a suspect list by now. Either that or BG is much older than I anticipated, it’s pretty rare in 2018 to find anybody under 50 that isn’t attached to their phone 24-7. The one thing about our ever evolving loss of privacy is the ability it allows for LE to track down evil monsters. And I’m ok with that

On the Kelsey Berreth thread someone said a cell tower only holds info for 3-5 days. Not sure if that true but if so hope they did a tower dump within that timesframe.

 

[ab01]

On the Kelsey Berreth thread someone said a cell tower only holds info for 3-5 days. Not sure if that true but if so hope they did a tower dump within that timesframe.

I'm not sure that is entirely accurate according to this: Cellular Provider Record Retention Periods | Pro Digital Forensic Consulting

tower dumps are 1-7 years. now sms messages you are correct 3-5 days. In simple terms if BG sent a text message during the crime it would have had to be retained within the 3-5 day period. But I believe cell phone ping data would be retained for a much longer period of time IMO.

 

[MistyWaters]

Considering TB appears to be inebriated during the video of the rage crash, would that change the way his voice normally sounds...or by comparison to the three word audio recording?

According to this article, it might.
What happens to your voice when you’re drunk?
- lower volume
- higher voice pitch

 

[ab01]

Considering TB appears to be inebriated during the video of the rage crash, would that change the way his voice normally sounds...or by comparison to the three word audio recording?

According to this article, it might.
What happens to your voice when you’re drunk?
- lower volume
- higher voice pitch

wait was TB arrested for OWI during the road rage crash? curious bc i would be surprised if he was drunk and not arrested for OWI. Anybody have the arrest report for this?Especially when he appears to be yelling at an LE officer. Or is this speculation with no supporting arrest based on a video clip?

 

[Inthedetails]

wait was TB arrested for OWI during the road rage crash? curious bc i would be surprised if he was drunk and not arrested for OWI. Anybody have the arrest report for this?Especially when he appears to be yelling at an LE officer. Or is this speculation with no supporting arrest based on a video clip?

I'm not OP, but I thought TB seemed intoxicated in the video when I first starting watching it. However, once you watch to the end, you can see his demeanor changed - and his voice changed - and the officer let him drive away.

He certainly appears intoxicated at the start! It's understandable to assume that, if you don't watch to the end (like I didn't the first time I clicked it). But, no, he was not arrested for drunk driving in that incident and he drove away.

Being emotionally upset can make a voice change too, which seems to be the case here. (My voice gets higher when I'm upset too.)

I think the voice sample to compare to BG is at the end of the video when he has regained composure.

jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm not OP, but I thought TB seemed intoxicated in the video when I first starting watching it. However, once you watch to the end, you can see his demeanor changed - and his voice changed - and the officer let him drive away.

He certainly appears intoxicated at the start! It's understandable to assume that, if you don't watch to the end (like I didn't the first time I clicked it). But, no, he was not arrested for drunk driving in that incident and he drove away.

Being emotionally upset can make a voice change too, which seems to be the case here. (My voice gets higher when I'm upset too.)

I think the voice sample to compare to BG is at the end of the video when he has regained composure.

jmo

Others have thought he appeared intoxicated as well. But as he wasn’t arrested, it’s impossible to know for sure.

“A lawyer who watched the video told News 4 Bruce appeared to be intoxicated.

Bruce was not arrested or charged in connection with the incident.

"I can tell you I currently have clients charged with DWI, who, in their video, don't look as drunk as Mr. Bruce," said lawyer Kristi Flint...”
Video shows explosive exchange between trooper, accused Catholic Supply store murderer month before fatal shooting

 

[book-thinker]

You would think with voice, photo AND sketch SOMEONE would make a connection. But I have pointed out that less than a year after Morgan Harrington's murder in Charlottesville VA, LE released a sketch of what her killer looked like. The murderer was Jesse Matthew, who resided in Charlottesville, and his co-workers kidded him about how the sketch looked like him. Matthew had a history of sexual assaults, too. None of them called it in to LE and LE had the DNA of Morgan's killer. Almost five years later, Matthew murdered UVA student, Hannah Graham.

It makes me wonder if somewhere a group of folks look at this and then point to BG and say, "Hey look! It looks just like you! Ha-ha!"[/QUOTE

No doubt someone knows him. The folks haven't made the connection yet.
He occasionally needs to interaction with the public, if only to buy groceries, run errands. He doesn't look
like a hermit from the sketch.

I have a friend thats a media consultant, which is basically a marketing agent, she will advise
more media attention is needed, calling area news station, talking with reporters, having them
interviewing people familiar to this case.

I can't believe Jesse Matthew's co-workers kidded to him how the sketch looked like him. Image the smug on Jesse Matthew face believing he was smarter than LE.
It took five years, with a second murdered victim UVA student, Hannah Graham.
With irrefutable evidence against him, he was convicted of both murders.
Jesse Matthew co-workers could easily have made an anonymous call to police, telling them a co-worker
looks similar to the sketch, instead we have a second murder victim.
I wonder why his co-workers didn't make that simple phone call.

 

[ab01]

Others have thought he appeared intoxicated as well. But as he wasn’t arrested, it’s impossible to know for sure.

“A lawyer who watched the video told News 4 Bruce appeared to be intoxicated.

Bruce was not arrested or charged in connection with the incident.

"I can tell you I currently have clients charged with DWI, who, in their video, don't look as drunk as Mr. Bruce," said lawyer Kristi Flint...”
Video shows explosive exchange between trooper, accused Catholic Supply store murderer month before fatal shooting

I'd be very surprised if an LE officer would just let a road rage suspect drive away if he in any way thought he was intoxicated. Especially after said individual screamed and yelled vile things in the LE officers face. And I believe that said LE officer would be able to tell much more accurately than any lawyer or you and I watching a video clip. MOO

 

[gregjrichards]

I am also still a bit surprised that with all the cell phone technology available today, that a suspect was not narrowed in on by now.(or maybe there is and we don’t know) Delphi is relatively a smaller community. With cell tower logs you would think le would have been able to narrow down a suspect list by now. Either that or BG is much older than I anticipated, it’s pretty rare in 2018 to find anybody under 50 that isn’t attached to their phone 24-7. The one thing about our ever evolving loss of privacy is the ability it allows for LE to track down evil monsters. And I’m ok with that

I personally don’t think BG had a phone with him that day. If he planned to attack he would try his best not to be traced. He also would not want someone calling him during an attack with a ringing phone alerting people to his presence or disturbing him as he acted out his fantasy. If he had a phone on him that day the FBI would have traced it.

I’m just glad Liberty had her phone that day.

 

[book-thinker]

Don't most hotels also require that you give them a credit card to put on file for incidentals (like if you charge something to the room or cause damage?) I can't remember the last time I stayed at a hotel or motel that didn't require a CC to be kept on file. Maybe some fly-by-night motel type places wouldn't? Of the hotels and motels located near the trail system/Delphi, does anyone know if any would qualify as that type of place that would allow someone to only pay in cash, no CC?

I live in Pacific NW, otherwise I'd make a quick stop at as many hotels and motels
in the vicinity of the train stations stops, and show the desk attendant this sketch.
Maybe it would ring a bell. Leaving a copy of the sketch for housekeeping to look at.