Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #100

[dixiegirl1035]

We can saw interesting. But I deleted my post as I misread. And I didn’t link! I think though we can provide a link....anyway, a link is at the beginning of this thread.

Thanks! Well alrighty then, you are correct. It is posted in the first post on this thread so I will link it again here. It is a member only thread, so if you have not joined, you will not be able to view it.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...bigail-williams-scanner-thread.333467/page-21

 

[Cherokee]

Per this article DNA is the perps
Delphi investigation: police have supposed killer's DNA - WOWO 1190 AM | 107.5 FM

JMO.

Thank you for the link. It is sad the article was written six months after the murders and police say they are getting close to identifying the killer. Obviously, that didn't happen.

I want to emphasize again the syntax and semantics of what the police actually said about the perp's DNA.

".... Indiana State Police says they not only have more audio of the killer’s voice, recovered from Libby’s cell phone, but also DNA evidence that they believe belongs to the killer." BBM

The key words here are "....that they believe...."

Anytime a person inserts "I believe" or "To the best of my knowledge," "I think" and similar phrases, those are called qualifiers. Qualifiers basically reduce the veracity of the statement to which they are attached. It can even be indicative of non-confidence in what is being said or, in the case of sociopaths, an actual lie.

Linguistic analysts and statement profilers know to look for these types of qualifiers.

Another phrase that is frequently used by people who are lying is "I know in my heart I didn't" [murder, rape, kill, rob] the victim. I know in my heart is not the same as I know I didn't do it.

Language is powerful. Language can be used to deny, deflect and disassemble, all while pretending to answer a question or give information.

Because of the language used, I am still not confident LE has the Delphi murderer's DNA. I know they want the perp to think they have it. I sincerely hope they do.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone .. it's okay to link to the WS scanner thread but please do not link to all outside scanner threads or discuss info from them. This is for safety of both the investigation and LE.

Sure, other people can find the info out there, but WS doesn't need to make it easy for them, okay?

Thanks.

 

[Boxer]

Thank you for the link. It is sad the article was written six months after the murders and police say they are getting close to identifying the killer. Obviously, that didn't happen.

I want to emphasize again the syntax and semantics of what the police actually said about the perp's DNA.

".... Indiana State Police says they not only have more audio of the killer’s voice, recovered from Libby’s cell phone, but also DNA evidence that they believe belongs to the killer." BBM

The key words here are "....that they believe...."

Anytime a person inserts "I believe" or "To the best of my knowledge," "I think" and similar phrases, those are called qualifiers. Qualifiers basically reduce the veracity of the statement to which they are attached. It can even be indicative of non-confidence in what is being said or in the case of sociopaths, an actual lie.

Linguistic analysts and statement profilers know to look for these types of qualifiers.

Another phrase that is frequently used by people who are lying is "I know in my heart I didn't" [murder, rape, kill, rob] the victim. I know in my heart is not the same as I know I didn't do it.

Language is powerful. Language can be used to deny, deflect and disassemble, all while pretending to answer a question or give information.

Because of the language used, I am still not confident LE has the Delphi murderer's DNA. I know they want the perp to think they have it. I sincerely hope they do.

MOO its a pretty direct statement though. Certainly better than "every crime scene has DNA" and other things the police have stated that indicated they had a high level of uncertainty about their DNA evidence.

 

[hawkeyefan51]

Well, if this does end up not being about A & L it won't be the first time we've gotten our hopes up and ended up so disappointed but we can hope it is the last. Regardless, we will all be here for any new development or info hoping and praying again. We just want it solved!!!!

 

[Seattle1]

Liberty German and Abigail Williams Scanner Thread

ETA: US 421 /Bicycle Bridge Rd closure not related A&L.

 

[7%Reichenbach]

I agree he acted alone. Why do you associate overkill in commission of crime disorganized? Jack the Ripper was he ever caught? Or how about the New Orleans axe murderer? They both committed brutal, bloody crimes that required adequate stalking and planning to execute without anyone ever being brought to justice. The Zodiac is another example of planned attacks carried out on victims of coincidence and opportunity, brutal yet well thought out. And as of yet unapprehended. A terrorist attack is well planned months in advance and they're equally brutal yet no one classifies them as disorganized sociopaths. Disorganization lends itself more to the psychotic mental disorder whereas organized killers fall into the antisocial category.

I’m convinced he did this alone, as most of these crimes are solo affairs.

This just looks like a one man job anyways.

As to your second point, that’s why I’m so curious as to what the crime scene looked like.

The overkill, the cutting, that sort of thing is something that guys like Jack The Ripper, and the Yorkshire Ripper did.

Now we have no idea if anything like that happened here, but as I think this guy is towards that end of the spectrum (disorganized), I wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[TTF14]

I measured the distance between the two addresses given as the closure points and as the crow flies it is approx 5 miles between the two. Pretty large area to close for anything small time.

That is a HUGE area to close off!

 

[Cherokee]

MOO its a pretty direct statement though. Certainly better than "every crime scene has DNA" and other things the police have stated that indicated they had a high level of uncertainty about their DNA evidence.

JMO.

But it is not a direct statement.

A direct statement would be .... "We have the killer's DNA." That is a direct statement. It is said in active voice, not passive voice and with no qualifiers.

 

[FinePrint]

E911 is not current -- road reopend 2 hours ago.

See WS Scanner thread for more info.

Liberty German and Abigail Williams Scanner Thread

Alert re activated at 12:48

Roadway closed between US 421 and 1275 W on Bicycle Bridge Rd for an investigation. Avoid the area. from Carroll County E911 : Nixle

 

[Boxer]

That is a HUGE area to close off!

MOO they only shut 1275 W BBRd. to Highway 421 to deal with an incident or they had to block that long a closure back to Road N 1275 W to send people another way over the river.

MOO i look forward to seeing some massive police activity that is related to this case though!

 

[Tillicum]

Alert re activated at 12:48
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I'm so confused again

 

[Jealoushe]

someone with more knowledge about crime scenes?
does LE typically take photos of most everything or?...only what might be considered possible evidence?( hence photos being taken in the shed/shack/barn?)

Everything. Source, my house was one. Lol

 

[ocgrad]

JMO.

But it is not a direct statement.

A direct statement would be .... "We have the killer's DNA." That is a direct statement. It is said in active voice, not passive voice and with no qualifiers.

I agree it is a qualifier but doesn't mean they don't think it is his. I think it speaks more to where it was found and a presumed innocent till proven guilty and that need for more evidence. If it were under her fingernails it would be more definite. If they were able to tell that it was on her body after her death or that it was under her body somehow. But there are a lot of places it could be found that would allow a reasonable doubt.

 

[FreshEyes]

I just hope they haven’t found another victim of this coward. Praying for good news.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree he acted alone. Why do you associate overkill in commission of crime disorganized? Jack the Ripper was he ever caught? Or how about the New Orleans axe murderer? They both committed brutal, bloody crimes that required adequate stalking and planning to execute without anyone ever being brought to justice. The Zodiac is another example of planned attacks carried out on victims of coincidence and opportunity, brutal yet well thought out. And as of yet unapprehended. A terrorist attack is well planned months in advance and they're equally brutal yet no one classifies them as disorganized sociopaths. Disorganization lends itself more to the psychotic mental disorder whereas organized killers fall into the antisocial category.

Getting away with murder, is not necessarily a sign of high intelligence or skill.

Likewise, disorganization doesn’t mean there is no planning.

There is a spectrum, and not two completely different types of killers.

I believe that this guy falls more towards disorganized, although there are absolutely elements of organization there.

One of the hallmarks of disorganized killers, is a level of overkill. They derive pleasure from desecrating and mutilating the bodies of their victims. This separates them from more organized killers.

They hunt close to home, tend to have lower self control, and are more prone to drug and alcohol problems.

The late FBI profiler Roy Hazelwood has an excellent book on the differences between the two.

According to his research, organized killers tend to have three separate crimes scenes:

Place of initial contact.

Place of murder.

Place where body is disposed.

BG likely had two.

 

[cody22]

Journal and Courier Newsroom has been spoken to, the situation being described and the previous link to the information about the search warrant 2 years ago, and they are going to look into it also. Folks who don't tweet still use their phones!

Yes, we do, but we do not do voice mail or text.......LOL !....moo....lowtechdumbphonesherlockholmescody22

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I'm so confused again

You are not alone Tillicum!

 

[FinePrint]

And that was 3 hours ago....

See scanner for more current info.

They did de activate it but then re activated it. Just saying it still shows active on Nixle....

 

[ab01]

DBM unrelated

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...s-scanner-thread.333467/page-21#post-15051202