Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #100

[dixiegirl1035]

One of our members did a rewind downstairs in the scanner thread and detailed why the road possibly was shut down. I cannot mention what was said.

 

[cody22]

delete

 

[cody22]

Hellooooooooooo, Anybody hoooooome ????.....moo

 

[mtnlites]

If you assume he acted alone, but if there were 2 of them then its just down and up. I agree we have heard they were killed quickly but that is not definitive. And I do not think they were kept alive longer than an hr or 2, just that it did not happen right there. Why remove their bodies to that area? Maybe he felt they could have left fingerprints or DNA behind in the barn or cabin. Maybe it wasn't yet dark when he took their bodies there. It is common for an organized killer to remove the bodies from the scene.
But it could have all happened right there, maybe someone did hear something and we haven't known.

I assume he acted alone since LE has not issued any statement that would make me believe otherwise. They did, however, make a point of saying that the voice on the audio is only one person and we've been told that the original sketch is off the table.

 

[peel]

Hellooooooooooo, Anybody hoooooome ????.....moo

right?....like there was all this excitement and then nothing..

 

[dixiegirl1035]

right?....like there was all this excitement and then nothing..

Speaking for myself, I'm waiting for mainstream media to pick up the story which none of us know yet to continue discussion, and or put it to bed, or a new thread to appear.

 

[Cryptic]

You would hope that triangulating

1. Men with marriage/relationship difficulties or misogyny in their background
2. Someone able to move freely about during working hours
3. Someone who could know that the bridge-end is essentially a no-escape trap

would be quite a lot for LE as a checklist against early candidates.

I agree, this profile could be very productive. The police probably applied a similar profile and looked into all the "red flag" local ex cons, local all around bad news types, and the locals known as being plain creepy.

My guess is that the perpetrator could be a "sleeper" in regards to the profile. He could well have say, misogynistic tendencies, but not to the extent that he stands out as a "red flag" suspect. As a result, he might not have been sought out in the initial screenings of local convicts, bad news types and the creepy.

Being a "sleeper" with no glaring red flag indicators then could allow the perpetrator to hide in a sea of blandness- white male in a white area, wears blue collar / agricultural clothing in an area where those occupations are common, knowledge of a local attraction that while not widely publicized, is hardly a secret etc. .
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[kc1023]

Good work today, everyone, way to hustle. We'll be ready when the time comes!

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Good work today, everyone, way to hustle. We'll be ready when the time comes!

And as always, rely on the breaking news thread and subscribe to it as I would think anything significant would appear in that thread.

 

[susiQ]

Speaking for myself, I'm waiting for mainstream media to pick up the story which none of us know yet to continue discussion, and or put it to bed, or a new thread to appear.

For the later, how terribly sad that would be

 

[K.jill]

Is the road still closed?

 

[cody22]

Is the road still closed?

I don't think so. It has reopened the way I understand it.....moo

 

[Cutiekitty]

I still think there was SA. He didn’t know he had a tight window of opportunity, didn’t know when they were to be picked up. I’m not so sure it’s as small as we think. Because cell service is spotty in places, we don’t know the Snapchat was actually sent at 2:07, it could’ve been 10-20 minutes earlier if Libby’s phone was trying and failing to connect to a cell tower. DG said he got there at 3:11, but did he instantly jump out of his car and start looking for them after the first missed call? Probably not. I know I wouldn’t. I’d wait in my car for 10-15 minutes, call again, maybe call KG again to verify plans. Once he started looking, he probably wasn’t shouting their names either. If BG was interrupted by DG searching and abandoned plan, he still could’ve had up to an hour and a half with them. Iirc, they were only supposed to be there about 90 minutes which surprised me. I just imagined afternoon in the park = a few hours.

I’m new to the case (thought it was solved till the PC last month) and just catching up on it. The timing of the Snapchat pic and the video is bugging me. 2:07 is when the pic was posted, but not necessarily when it was taken (You can save pics to your camera roll and post them Whenever you want). When was the video shot? Is it assumed that it was right after the pic and that’s why I’ve seen it was taken at 2:17ish? I Apologize if these are stupid questions. Still trying to wrap my head around what happened.

 

[ab01]

Hellooooooooooo, Anybody hoooooome ????.....moo

Ha everyone ran outside bc someone pulled the fire alarm

 

[cody22]

Ha everyone ran outside bc someone pulled the fire alarm

.....and I missed the alarm because I was smoking in the "Boy's Rest Room.".......moo

 

[rosesfromangels]

I definitely don’t think he came back, as he was lucky just to get out of there in the first place.

It would have been a tremendous risk, one that would be uncommon in a crime like this.

After the adrenaline wore off, he would have been as nervous then, as he likely was following the latest press conference.

Hopefully he’s still scared.

If I understand the definition of a true psychopath correctly, he wouldn’t necessarily be nervous, or show signs of that. They lack the empathetic and neurological responses of those with a more normalized psychological profile.

Someone more expert in this science please feel free to correct me as this is an amateur opinion and speculation.

 

[Cherokee]

I agree it is a qualifier but doesn't mean they don't think it is his. I think it speaks more to where it was found and a presumed innocent till proven guilty and that need for more evidence. If it were under her fingernails it would be more definite. If they were able to tell that it was on her body after her death or that it was under her body somehow. But there are a lot of places it could be found that would allow a reasonable doubt.

JMO.

The way LE has phrased everything about the possibility of them having the perp's DNA has been nebulous and qualified.

When a person or an entity says they "believe" something, it means nothing. A person can say they believe the earth is flat. It doesn't make it so. Believing something does not make it a fact. That is why it is used as a qualifier. It is the same as any poster here putting JMO or MOO on their posts. That shows the post is our opinion, as in "I believe" or "I think" ... to separate our beliefs about the case from the facts.

I understand keeping evidence and details of a case under wraps, and of course, I understand why, but the evasiveness about the DNA is unnecessary if they have a good, viable sample.

I am not trying to undermine LE, but why would they say (in the April press conference two weeks ago) they are just now "beginning" if they had a whole and usable DNA sample from the perp? It doesn't make sense.

We also have to quit assuming any possible SA would include DNA. I hate to write this, but SA can be performed with an object. In addition, if the perp wore gloves and kept his face and body covered with clothing, it would be very difficult for his DNA to be left under the victims' fingernails, especially if their hands were bound first.

I hope they DO have the perp's DNA, but we are fooling ourselves if we trying to extrapolate meaning from what LE has said about the DNA into stating they have the perp's DNA as a fact. That was my point.

Which leads me to a larger point ... we need to listen more closely to what is said in the public arena. We need to divorce opinion from fact. People are controlled by what they want to hear, and governments and politicians know that. The media knows that, and since the dawn of advertising, product companies have known that. Every message is tailored to an audience. Nothing exists in a vacuum, and our own life experiences, personality, processing of stimuli, etc. color our viewpoints and what we perceive as truth.

 

[MassGuy]

If I understand the definition of a true psychopath correctly, he wouldn’t necessarily be nervous, or show signs of that. They lack the empathetic and neurological responses of those with a more normalized psychological profile.

Someone more expert in this science please feel free to correct me as this is an amateur opinion and speculation.

There are plenty of serial killers for example, who exhibited anxiety following their killings, or when the heat was turned up on them.

BTK, John Gacy, and Gary Ridgeway are examples.

It has nothing to do with empathy, as it isn’t related to feeling bad for what they’ve done.

It’s concern for themselves.

That’s why you see the same profiles over and over, from behavioral changes to physical ones.

This isn’t just limited to regular killers, but serial killers as well.

Unless they are psychotic, or suffering from some other mental condition, anxiety isn’t at all uncommon.

 

[Miya]

If I understand the definition of a true psychopath correctly, he wouldn’t necessarily be nervous, or show signs of that. They lack the empathetic and neurological responses of those with a more normalized psychological profile.

Someone more expert in this science please feel free to correct me as this is an amateur opinion and speculation.

If he is a psychopath, he wasn't nervous then and he isn't nervous now. They know right from wrong, they just don't care. But they also wouldn't commit a crime with a policeman standing right next to them because they know it would get them locked up right away. So they still try to do everything they can to make sure that they are not caught. They don't mind and don't care about taking high risks though at the same time - like in this case doing what he did in broad daylight.

Plus, while I'm talking about this subject, like others have said before, he doesn't have any conscience left (see PC), if he is a psychopath he never had a conscience to begin with.

MOO.

 

[ab01]

There are plenty of serial killers for example, who exhibited anxiety following their killings, or when the heat was turned up on them.

BTK, John Gacy, and Gary Ridgeway are examples.

It has nothing to do with empathy, as it isn’t related to feeling bad for what they’ve done.

It’s concern for themselves.

That’s why you see the same profiles over and over, from behavioral changes to physical ones.

This isn’t just limited to regular killers, but serial killers as well.

Unless they are psychotic, or suffering from some other mental condition, anxiety isn’t at all uncommon.

I would also add that it’s probably even a higher likelihood for an inexperienced killer to have high anxiety about being caught.