Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

[MassGuy]

To add to it, I think he gets his release when he kills and not quite capable to have normal intimacy - MOO

That’s certainly possible.

I think we’re either dealing with a sexually motivated homicide (in the form of planned sexual assault), or we’re looking at a guy who gets his kicks from the act of murder itself.

I think the first is more likely, as it happens more often.

Either way, he’s as dangerous as it gets.

 

[Charlot123]

That’s certainly possible.

I think we’re either dealing with a sexually motivated homicide (in the form of planned sexual assault), or we’re looking at a guy who gets his kicks from the act of murder itself.

I think the first is more likely, as it happens more often.

Either way, he’s as dangerous as it gets.

I think these two things merge - he has issues with normal sex, and these issues might be totally in his head, not physiological. And with all this, he might have, accidentally, gotten some sexual stimulation from someone either very young or very placid, maybe even someone sleeping. And after that, he gets release from the passivity of a dead person, but he is preferentially targeting younger subjects.

He is very dangerous. And not going to stop.

ETA: this could explain his anger with the girls after he killed them, because by putting up a fight, they totally deprived him of any pleasure; they were schoolgirls, but proved anything but passive. This was definitely not according to his plan.

 

[sunshineray]

I watch quite a few videos about the lay of the land at the bridge and going "down the hill". I have to say it's not at all an easy climb down. Actually once you climb down to the private road there's then pretty much cliff along that road to the right for quite a ways, making it very hard to find a way down to the water without breaking your neck.

Or once "down the hill" to the road, a trek straight along the underside of bridge (keep remembering FS guy heard arguing) to then get down to the pathway close to the creek, then walking up stream to the crime area. I'm thinking killer had them go that straight trek along the bridge then down to path next to the creek. It looks to be the easier way to me while trying to control two very frightened and therefore unpredictable young girls. It's got to be a younger, more agile man that did this, IMO.

Does that private road that's down the hill, that goes under the bridge, is it a dead end to the left?

 

[NancyDrew3]

Basically, everyone living in Delphi or its environs...

But seriously, if one looks at all serial killers, and the hunt for them, and the incorrect assumptions the LEs made, maybe, the explanation is simple? In most times, there is a list of people who would fit the profile, psychologically, and the real perp is somewhere in the middle of the list?

Here is one case that is heart-breaking. Early Tip Fell Short in Green River Killings

One question is, are our laws making the job for the police harder?

Another question is, Gary Ridgeway passed the polygraph several times. How?

I listened to a podcast by a group of academic psychologists/ psychiatrists on Ted Bundy. It was a response to the Netflix film and is fascinating, and has some relevance for this Websleuth discussion. Based on this, Gary Rideway was likely a born psychopath. Moderators, I assume posting this msm link is ok. https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...otherapy+-+Ted+Bundy+roundtable+master+v2.mp3

 

[susiQ]

I wouldn't trust this video to show an accurate representation of his gait, and I am not surprised that he's looking down. He's very high up in the air without any rails, and some of the boards are either rotten or missing altogether. It's very awkward to walk across it.This isn't a place where one would take a casual stroll.

True, but his hands are in his pockets! Seriously, I'd be on my hands and knees crossing that bridge

 

[susiQ]

I think the consensus is, there is a baby goat in his pants.

A TWO HEADED baby goat.......and a crowbar

 

[mtnlites]

True, but his hands are in his pockets! Seriously, I'd be on my hands and knees crossing that bridge

Ha ha. I have felt like that. I never noticed that I also keep my hands in my pockets when I'm crossing it until people started talking about it on here and I looked over some of my old pictures. I think it's a security thing. Since there's no rail to hold onto, I feel better holding onto something.

I am hoping that someone in his life does recognize the way he hunches his shoulders, bends his arms, looks down at an angle, etc.

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

I remember, very early on, there was also a video, where a footprint was discussed.
Also, it had been stated here, that searchers followed footprints to the girls.
I hope these were ALL not just rumours, if others can remember.
MOO.

Wasn’t the date right after a snow? Melted snow makes mud foot prints very possible

 

[Sneaker33]

He may not have thought that far ahead. If everything went right, he would have come and gone undetected.

If confronted, I think he would have run.

I wonder if he dresses in layers with a thinner pair of pants underneath. I cannot think of a reason other than something sports related where he would need to change footwear.

 

[MassGuy]

On ID Discovery’s “True Conviction” show tonight, they covered the murder case of Irene Kennedy.

Irene and her husband had a daily routine, in which they would walk a bird park in Walpole, Massachusetts.

On the morning in question, they separated as they usually did, and planned to meet 15 minutes later near a pond.

Irene never showed up.

When her husband found her, she had been murdered (stabbed, beaten, and strangled).

She was partially nude.

The case went unsolved for 5 years, until a CODIS hit came back for a man already serving a life sentence for murder (he had bitten her, and left his DNA in the form of saliva).

The killer was familiar with the area because of his pizza delivery job, and according to a jail house informant, planned to attack another woman that day.

Irene was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I found it pertinent because it may share some parallels here.

The killer may be familiar with Delphi because of his job, and may have attacked those girls because they were victims of opportunity.

I also believe that it’s likely that this case will be solved via DNA.

 

[Charlot123]

@BigTexas -- wondering if maybe the suspect in Libby's video perhaps had some long-time illness that affected how he walked... (the long-term effects of an illness, for example). Thus, perhaps his unique "angled turn" as captured by Libby is more reflective of (here, I hypothesize, since it's just a wild idea based on nothing solid) such an illness that may have had long-term implications for his gait (and a gait that would be, one would think, unmistakably recognizable to someone who already knows the suspect). All JMOO

One other theory that's been bouncing around in my mind is this: What if... the suspect a.) had a gf, b.) they got into some kind of an argument/break-up fight *before* or ON Feb. 13th (my apologies for not recalling specifically at least one, if not two or three others here who have postulated something similar about a possible fight with a former romantic interest), c.) the suspect went home "stomping mad", d.) decided to take an "angry walk" (similar to "venting", but...with murderous intent), and e.) took out that anger on those two sweet girls -- girls who were just out to enjoy the nicer-than-usual weather on a "snow day" from school...

n. b. In any case, wondering what locals might be familiar with a well-known and youngish-man in town/very nearby who occasionally has a bit of a limp/pain in his leg, such that he has to actually lift it in an unnatural manner as he walks... (yes, the railroad ties on the High Bridge notwithstanding; their unevenness just exacerbated/emphasized such a past illness or an injury to that leg). All just ramblings around in my head today; theoretical only.

@Tiger Stripes, I suspect the problem might be very much exacerbated, and this strange gait disappears and reappears at his whim.

About the breakup - he might have “attempted” to have a girlfriend, so to say, but she got scared by him; as to the BG, this Nero does not have it in him to love anyone, even himself. He just collects old narcissistic injuries. MOO, of course.

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

I truly believe that there is nothing in his jeans.

It would be incredibly awkward to walk with something like that (gun, sharp weapon, etc), and it would have been unnecessary.

I agree, I don’t think he is carrying anything large inside his pants or jacket. A hand gun or knife probably, but not a crowbar, sword, axe, or anything cumbersome.
My bet his that his weapon is easily concealed, because how is a guy going to explain away some large object stuffed down his pants to a passerby that isn’t his target? He had to know he was likely to encounter someone other then the victims. Along those lines, no respirators either.

 

[Charlot123]

Do you happen to know what mental illness ran in Bundy's maternal side of his family? Curious.
I think if Bundy wasn't a malignant narcissist he would have done well in Law school, but his ego wouldn't tolerate any criticism, only wanted to be praised.
College isn't going to praise you for mediocre work. They demand the best unless you are wealthy enough to let it slide.

Is it possible BG isn't a serial killer? Not yet, or ever will be?
Would LOVE to know what the FBI profilers think. But we'll have to wait, I guess.

Is he more like Bundy, has a social life? or more like GRK, low IQ, poor social skills?

I read that Bundy’s MGM was very depressed and treated with shock therapy. His MGF had horrible rages and was angry and sadistic to his daughters. In fact, since Bundy’s paternity was never established, neighbors believed he might have been the result of incest. I don’t quite believe so but it is a testament to the personality of his MGF; this was the first thing people thought when Ted was born, that his GF probably raped own daughter. Little Teddy had scary behaviors since the age of three.

Most recent researchers believe he had undiagnosed bipolar disorder. (And since it was not diagnosed, he was not given a fair trial, they say). His changes in life, from a passive student, to a driven Republican fundraiser, to an ambitious future law student, to a dropout and serial killer, surely indicate some cyclical pattern. I believe his interviewers, at least one of them, observed several rapid mood changes during the interview. But likely, there was at least one more problem, and probably, more, as these killers are never one walking diagnosis. Some are diagnosed with birth or prenatal brain injury, as I found out.

 

[Blueberry2720]

At this point I have come full circle. I believe there is nothing in his jeans as well.

Except scrawny legs.

 

[Charlot123]

My guess he passed because he can control his heart rate, or doesn't get unnerved easily, hence he makes the perfect psychopath.

During the interview with O’Toole, he came across as “emotionally dumb”.

 

[Blueberry2720]

A TWO HEADED baby goat.......and a crowbar

But wait, don't forget that the baby goat has a catheter.

 

[Charlot123]

And re. the time of day, what local industry/work sites are in the area and times of shifts and breaks is something that would be of interest to LE. BG IMO must be in fairly good shape to catch up with the girls across that distance on a high up bridge, so I'm guessing younger. His pants do look loose and the jacket too for his stature. Some kind of white object around his neck but not gonna help LE much IMO.

In images thread, I saw a photo of searchers on that bridge, one was holding his head low and sported a light beard. Because he was looking down, there was a line on his neck... the beard looked pixelated-whitish, not unlike a respirator. So I think the BG had something similar. There are many lookalikes in that area, so I don’t imply anyone specific, I don’t know them...just the fact, a beard could look like a scarf on a pixelated photo.

I hope LE has a better photo of the BG.

 

[Howcanppldosuch]

Reading article on serial killer types. Which do you think BG falls into and why, organized or unorganized?

Types Of Serial Killers - Crime Museum

 

[Charlot123]

But wait, don't forget that the baby goat has a catheter.

A catheter, surely; the baby goat also wears a balaclava, a respirator, a pair of goggles and a T-shirt with an logo.

 

[thx4_medic_Babby]

I watch quite a few videos about the lay of the land at the bridge and going "down the hill". I have to say it's not at all an easy climb down. Actually once you climb down to the private road there's then pretty much cliff along that road to the right for quite a ways, making it very hard to find a way down to the water without breaking your neck.

Or once "down the hill" to the road, a trek straight along the underside of bridge (keep remembering FS guy heard arguing) to then get down to the pathway close to the creek, then walking up stream to the crime area. I'm thinking killer had them go that straight trek along the bridge then down to path next to the creek. It looks to be the easier way to me while trying to control two very frightened and therefore unpredictable young girls. It's got to be a younger, more agile man that did this, IMO.

Does that private road that's down the hill, that goes under the bridge, is it a dead end to the left?

Good post. I remember reading in an earlier thread that Abby’s house was a continuation of the private road, or something along those lines. I believe her house was said to be a over a 1/2 mile from the gate/private property. I believe the road aligned with the creek (although I could be wrong on that).

Someone had even theorized that the girls were threatened of BG and were possibly trying to escape this route.

I was heavily invested in this case at the beginning, but my old brain has left many clouds of dust since. Haha.