Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

[CrimeDawg123]

With two heads - one for each pants leg.

Thank you all for the comic relief because I cannot take it anymore. I'll check back in when there is something new to discuss

 

[dub]

The long "I"? We used to joke that it's the way we were immediately able to tell the locals apart from the "tourists." In KY we have a "Versailles" that is pronounced "vur-SALES."

It's really not a joke though haha it's totally true. I can think of at least four such towns in Illinois just off the top of my head.

Ver-sales is hysterical, that's maybe the best one I've ever heard.

 

[pepper 34]

No DNA in urine is there?

There can be DNA if there's blood or epithelial and urothelium cells in the urine. A catheter. a "foreign object" irritates the urinary bladder and also any pulling on the tube can cause small amounts of irritation and bleeding. Also, infection (UTI) occurs at times and this also can cause bleeding and irritation which can result in sloughing off of tissue into the urine.
ETA: https://www.promega.com/-/media/fil...gs/ishi-10/poster-abstracts/38smuts.pdf?la=en

 

[Boxer]

I really don't think there is anything significant down the pants. I think it is just the jeans moving with him walking. In this capture you can see it is no longer straight.

MOO floppy pants.
MOO Young legs in pants meant for an older man. The flap is where a strong older man's stout quadriceps muscle is supposed to be.

 

[x_files]

I read that Bundy’s MGM was very depressed and treated with shock therapy. His MGF had horrible rages and was angry and sadistic to his daughters. In fact, since Bundy’s paternity was never established, neighbors believed he might have been the result of incest. I don’t quite believe so but it is a testament to the personality of his MGF; this was the first thing people thought when Ted was born, that his GF probably raped own daughter. Little Teddy had scary behaviors since the age of three.

Most recent researchers believe he had undiagnosed bipolar disorder. (And since it was not diagnosed, he was not given a fair trial, they say). His changes in life, from a passive student, to a driven Republican fundraiser, to an ambitious future law student, to a dropout and serial killer, surely indicate some cyclical pattern. I believe his interviewers, at least one of them, observed several rapid mood changes during the interview. But likely, there was at least one more problem, and probably, more, as these killers are never one walking diagnosis. Some are diagnosed with birth or prenatal brain injury, as I found out.

interesting...I wonder what the shock therapy was for.
It's strange how many people and I think Ted himself claims there was no childhood abuse, clearly, his GF sounded abusive, and his mother delusional, dissociative. Maybe, Ted didn't want to discuss it with anyone.

and I cannot wait until BG is arrested so we can disect his background next!

 

[ab01]

There can be DNA if there's blood or urothelium cells in the urine. A catheter. a "foreign object" irritates the urinary bladder and also any pulling on the tube can cause small amounts of irritation and bleeding. Also, infection (UTI) occurs at times and this also can cause bleeding and irritation which can result in sloughing off of tissue into the urine.

I highly doubt BG had a catheter for one he's likely 18-40

secondly the speculation is from a blurry photo that even LE has not referenced of being able to notice a possible medical condition or likely object in his pant leg for that matter

There are just absolutely no know facts that backup the speculation of any of it

 

[pepper 34]

I highly doubt BG had a catheter for one he's likely 18-40

secondly the speculation is from a blurry photo that even LE has not referenced of being able to notice a possible medical condition or likely object in his pant leg for that matter

There are just absolutely no know facts that backup the speculation of any of it

I appreciate and respect your opinion. The picture and video are blurry... you don't see anything. I respect that.

There are many young men and women (even toddlers and infants) who require the use of urinary catheters which may not be known by the general public. Catheters are generally out of the sight of the public. Usually, if the trouble is not congenitally acquired... a urinary catheter becomes necessary due to physical or neurological conditions, injuries, and/or accidents. What I have said in this comment is factual and what I based my speculation on. Adult, pediatric, geriatric, psychiatric and cardiac nursing was my career for 30 years. I feel free to speculate just as many others here are doing. In fact, we've done nothing but speculate for over 2 years.
Jmo and speculation.

 

[neesaki]

watched a gazillion times. looks like a hole in the right knee. i dont see a weapon of any sort. he definitely has a unique gait. interesting how he looks down the whole time .... i think they are banking on all this. is the rest of the video really egregiously heinous? i really wish we could see more of him. so frustrating.

I've been thinking the same thing, a hole in the jeans in the right knee area. jmo

 

[ab01]

I appreciate and respect your opinion. The picture and video are blurry... you don't see anything. I respect that.

There are many young men and women (even toddlers and infants) who require the use of urinary catheters which may not be known by the general public. Catheters are generally out of the sight of the public. Usually, if the trouble is not congenitally acquired... a urinary catheter becomes necessary due to physical or neurological conditions, injuries, and/or accidents. What I have said in this comment is factual and what I based my speculation on. Adult, pediatric, geriatric, psychiatric and cardiac nursing was my career for 30 years. I feel free to speculate just as many others here are doing.
Jmo and speculation.

Its not that I don't see anything, heck the images have been manipulated by the public in such ways that we can see a number of things

Just nothing that can be absolutely substantiated based on the quality of the original very pixilated images

I think we can see many things if we try hard enough

I think LE would have have alerted the public off any unique characteristics of BG as it would be paramount in helping someone to identify him

I just don't think anything specific can be gleamed no matter how many times we look at said images

ETA and some of the things that have been seen just are not practical IMO

 

[neesaki]

I imagine there is no rifle and no crowbar - just for (his) security purposes.

The only possible weapon or firearm I can tell is the one that is on his right side. It’s a handgun that’s either holstered inside the coat, or in an odd shape in his coat pocket.

I’ve always wondered why his hands are not in his coat pocket, but appear to be in his jean pockets.

Edit - and I believe this was 100% targeted. There are multiple witnesses who saw him - one of which called LE later after the girls were missing about how suspicious he was.

I don't remember reading this anywhere, is this true about multiple witnesses seeing him ? So this could be what Carter was referring to when he said a witness saw something they felt needed to be reported... Is there a MSM link ? TIA

 

[pepper 34]

Its not that I don't see anything, heck the images have been manipulated in such ways that we can see a number of things

Just nothing that can be absolutely substantiated based on the quality of the original very pixilated images

I think we can see many things if we try hard enough

I think LE would have put have alerted us of any unique characteristics of BG as it would be paramount in helping someone to identify them

I just don't think anything specific can be gleamed no matter how many times we look at said images


JMO

And I appreciate your opinion. I personally don't see "skinny legs" because the jeans are too baggy for me to assess BG's legs. I can't see the outline of his legs. Others seem to feel they can and I won't argue with them. They may very well see something I don't see. I can accept that. I can see, in the slow motion video someone posted, a long line in the front of the right leg of BG's jeans. It appears to move with BG's walking. Yes, it could be a wrinkle due to the fabric and movement of his legs. Another possibility is that it's a stiff catheter bag tube... purely an opinion of one who's oriented toward such a guess. It also looks like a long object of some sort such as a wooden or metal pole, imo.... and it could be nothing at all. Of course, none of us know, for sure... that's why we speculate, imo. If we can only discuss things that can be substantiated... well, what are we doing here then?
Jmo.

 

[ab01]

And I appreciate your opinion. I personally don't see "skinny legs" because the jeans are too baggy for me to assess BG's legs. I can't see the outline of his legs. Others seem to feel they can and I won't argue with them. They may very well see something I don't see. I can accept that. I can see, in the slow motion video someone posted, a long line in the front of the right leg of BG's jeans. It appears to move with BG's walking. Yes, it could be a wrinkle due to the fabric and movement of his legs. Another possibility is that it's a stiff catheter bag tube... purely an opinion of one who's oriented toward such a guess. It also looks like a long object of some sort such as a wooden or metal pole, imo.... and it could be nothing at all. Of course, none of us know, for sure... that's why we speculate, imo. If we can only discuss things that can be substantiated... well, what are we doing here then?
Jmo.

You are absolutely correct nobody knows what BG may or may not have had on him

I just don't think there is any valuable information that can be gleamed from the images that wouldn't have been gleamed in the last two yrs of studying these images and thats JMO

No argument we are all here to speculate and as you speculate why you think something is likely I will speculate the same and answer weather I believe it to be likely or unlikely

Not every post has to agree and I merely comment on said content of a particular post with my thoughts as should everyone else feel free to do as well

And if I speculate that I see Bigfoot in the woods I absolutely would expect someone to tell me why it is or is not likely

*I do not see Bigfoot in the woods

 

[tresir2012]

When LE busts him, they can collect a sample then. Because I hope he wets himself.

Or no. 2's.



Can we agree he has a limp at least? LE were quite adamant someone would recognise his gait.
(I said gait not goat)

 

[Boxer]

It's really not a joke though haha it's totally true. I can think of at least four such towns in Illinois just off the top of my head.

Or no. 2's.



Can we agree he has a limp at least?

Hi Tres.
MOO from the first time I saw this image my impression was that BG was executing an aggressive pivot. I have always seen physical agility not a leg related disability. MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

I don't remember reading this anywhere, is this true about multiple witnesses seeing him ? TIA

SBM

Yes, two IMO.

 

[mtnlites]

Its not that I don't see anything, heck the images have been manipulated by the public in such ways that we can see a number of things

Just nothing that can be absolutely substantiated based on the quality of the original very pixilated images

I think we can see many things if we try hard enough

I think LE would have have alerted the public off any unique characteristics of BG as it would be paramount in helping someone to identify him

I just don't think anything specific can be gleamed no matter how many times we look at said images

ETA and some of the things that have been seen just are not practical IMO

Okay, so here's where I see the danger in speculation...

You look at the picture of BG and you don't see anything on the leg. Just looks like pant legs.

A month later, a dude in another county kills someone. First murder. No criminal record whatsoever. Dude looks somewhat like BG, though not anymore than a plethora of others have. Still...that seed is planted. If THIS guy killed someone, maybe he also killed the girls? He does resemble the sketch...

So you start doing research into this guy. The height is off, the weight is off, and there's nothing in his past to indicate that he would've comitted a double murder but since he killed this other person and LE hasn't provided us with a POI, why not?

The more you dig, the more you find out about the dude. He played sports in high school and he hurt his leg, requiring him to wear a leg brace. His dad is also a construction worker and weighs about 60 pounds more than him.

You look back at the picture and, suddenly, you're seeing things that weren't there before. What if that is NOT a shadow or wrinkle on his pants? What if it's a leg brace? And now that you're looking, BG does seem to be thinner and taller than you once thought. A former basketball player perhaps?

And when you sleuth the dude's dad you see a picture of him on FB wearing a baseball cap with crossbones.

Why, you'd always wondered what that thing was on BG's head! Now you can clearly see that it's a baseball cap with crossbones on it. And the baggy jeans MUST belong to his dad. He probably wore them to throw people off (even though those jeans and that hat can be purchased at more than a dozen area stores and people of all ages wear them).

That's where I think this starts to become a slippery slope. Instead of evidence pointing to a person, in many cases a person is found first and the evidence is re-framed to fit that person. That's one of the ways that innocent people start getting in trouble.

I've been on here since the girls went missing and depending on who the idea of BG was at the moment, the things he's worn and carried have changed. When people thought it was the guy out in CO, people were seeing a hatchet in his hand-as well as the exact make and model of the gun that the other guy carried. And so on and so forth.

We DON'T have anything to do but speculate right now. That's pretty much all we got. But IMO care still needs to be taken with it.

 

[mtnlites]

Hi Tres.
MOO from the first time I saw this image my impression was that BG was executing an aggressive pivot. I have always seen physical agility not a leg related disability. MOO.

He's taking a slight turn on a bridge that's more than 60 feet up in the air (with no rails) as he tries to traverse rotten and missing boards. I can in no way gauge his gait or make any assumptions about his legs from the 2-second clip. He's in a unique situation in the video. Even LE has said that's probably not his normal gait.

In real life I'm the perfectly agile and graceful walker who all but floats through the air when I move-just as most of you probably imagine me to be.

On that bridge I become a chimpanzee in stiletto heels trying to balance a mug filled to the brim with hot chocolate.

 

[susiQ]

But wait, don't forget that the baby goat has a catheter.

Funny Well, I found our crowbar and guess what? No way on this earth it was a crowbar down his pants! That thing is so darn heavy BG wouldn't have been able to walk never mind walk across the MHB However, I'm not ruling out other possibilities, yet........except maybe the two-headed baby goat with a catheter

 

[tresir2012]

You are absolutely correct nobody knows what BG may or may not have had on him

I just don't think there is any valuable information that can be gleamed from the images that wouldn't have been gleamed in the last two yrs of studying these images and thats JMO

No argument we are all here to speculate and as you speculate why you think something is likely I will speculate the same and answer weather I believe it to be likely or unlikely

Not every post has to agree and I merely comment on said content of a particular post with my thoughts as should everyone else feel free to do as well

And if I speculate that I see Bigfoot in the woods I absolutely would expect someone to tell me why it is or is not likely

*I do not see Bigfoot in the woods

Well I would then have to wonder why LE deemed it necessary to release this video if they did not think it was important and that something unique or useful would be seen or recognised.

 

[ab01]

Well I would then have to wonder why LE deemed it necessary to release this video if they did not think it was important and that something unique or useful would be seen or recognised.

They released it so that somebody that knew the perp could identify a specific individual

They had no qualms about the general public making some investigative discovery from a video that NSA, FBI, Disney had all helped them analyze for any possible peculiar clues

If they found any tells about the way he walked or possible special significant characteristics about his attire and or any other significant object that an absolute stranger could recognize as being specific to BG it would have been noted IMO

JMO