Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[x_files]

TBH, there are many people in Delphi that look alike. Maybe 4th cousins from the early families that settled there.

Or witnesses aw a mid-aged Father 40-60 on the trails with his son 18-30. Both walked past but weren't walking side by side, maybe even split up to walk different trails that day.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

I don’t think he embellishes either but throughout the PC he continually used words like “may”, “might”, “could” to indicate a possibility..as opposed to words such as “I know” or “we’ve confirmed” so I don’t think anything he said can be assumed to be beyond the classic profile of a suspect in an unsolved case. It’s well known from prior solved cases that guilty people closely follow news of the crimes they’ve committed. I’d imagine it comes from necessity, much for the reason Carter stated “he wants to know that they know” in order to avoid getting caught. Active interest in this case was also one of the several characteristics the FBI put out early, a list of suspicious behaviours to watch out for (including changed appearance, unexplained whereabouts on Feb 13th, etc)

I do think it was intended Carter’s presentation during the PC be highly dramatic. Many PCs have already been held in the past 2 plus years and the risk is that people become tone deaf to the same prior theme of requiring that one tip, so it’s purpose was to to shake people awake IMO for a couple of reasons -
- to take the emphasis away from the prior sketch of national focus which had been strongly promoted by LE to be the face of the suspect for almost two years now. Instead to invigorate people in and around Delphi by zooming in on a suspect who had local connections.
- to unsettle the suspect, hoping that somebody might be able to observe suspicious behaviour that would result in that “one tip”.

Moo on PC from April.

If DC was, as is my opinion, delivering a carefully worded, deliberately dramatically impactful, FBI profile driven reassessment of the case, forced upon him/ISP by the Georgia Bureau case review...then he did it v badly. Error-Strewn Am-Dram Ham.

If, on the other hand, DC was showing genuine and understandable Human emotion and how deeply the case has affected him, it is to such a deeply upsetting extent that he should no longer be on the case.

All Moo.

( Ps I actually Like DC. And Tobe!)

 

[FleurQualia]

I just ran across a characteristic list recently, and I got worried as this case has given ME a few of these!

• Has a different sleep pattern now
• Started abusing drugs or alcohol when they wouldn’t have beforehand
• Has become anxious or irritable
• Has followed this case and what the media is releasing with a sense that is “not normal”
• Has been having ongoing conversations about where they were on Feb. 13

BBM

Be honest, how many and what kind are you doing?

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t think they have a clue to who this guy is. I’m 110% sure he was watching...from afar.

What makes you so sure?

 

[sunshineray]

If we are to believe that LE doesn’t know who the killer is - why they still need that “one tip” of the identity of the suspect to solve the case - and consider the new sketch is of a person with a possible age range between 18 and 40 and has Delphi connections, that he “could” have attended the PC isn’t off the wall at all IMO. Carter had already described him as “hiding in plain sight” so for a killer who’s already confident he’d foiled LE, it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility he’d attend a PC appearing just as innocent and interested as all the other local folks who were there. Attending a public PC is not proof of guilt.

ETA - If Carter truly thought the killer attended the PC and, as many believe LE have the killers DNA, couldn’t LE have set up an optional DNA sampling station at the door? Or have investigators question everyone before they left? That’d be much easier than searching for ancestors, if they knew they had him right there in that very room.

I meant the off the wall comment in this context. If the ISP has absolutely no evidence pointing to someone or even just a family, saying that he could be in this room would not be a truthful statement especially when taken with everything else he said. I know LE sometimes are not completely truthful/accurate when trying to catch a killer(s) but that, IMO, would be an obsurd thing to say, unless they have narrowed it down enough to say that. I was gobsmacked when those words came out of his mouth, just speechless. AJMO

 

[janewall]

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Hope, you can see it. Pic of a video (RG).

TY for the still picture, @FromGermany !

 

[sunshineray]

Well said. DC is especially defensive when he discusses whether this is a cold case. (Some news reports are already calling it such.) It's almost like he's got too much invested in this case personally. I wonder if that's fueling his defensiveness. At some point, doesn't he need to admit the possibility this case won't be solved, if it ever is solved, anytime soon? If nobody has come forward to help LE identify the suspect after 2+ years, maybe it'll never happen. Maybe there isn't someone out there withholding information. Maybe there's isn't someone out there who suspects the real BG.

He also said in that radio interview that they know much more now than they did before the April PC. That the investigation is progressing not stagnant.

 

[MistyWaters]

How many non-reporters / non-LE were in the room for the PC? I saw a couple of photos (I believe on a reporter's Twitter feed). IIRC, based on the photos, there were far fewer men than women in the crowd.

I suppose one reason for that could be locals are fully aware that virtually every male from Delphi sighted in the background of any local photo or video potentially becomes the target of SM cyber conviction. If so, that could also be a reason for the killer to stay away.

Considering the first sketch was no longer predominately featured during the second anniversary, even here on WS I recall we wondered if LE was backing away from proclaiming its accuracy. So although the new direction announced during the April press conference was surprising, it wasn’t a total shock. Local people might’ve already had a prior inkling if LE began revisiting prior tips or conducting interviews contrary to that of a suspect in his 40s or 50s.

Because I do think the PC became a 11th hour necessity due to lack of progress after LE had already exhausted all possible leads on the younger suspect. The “new direction” was not new to the investigation and LE might’ve hoped they’d make an arrest without seeking the public’s help during a time the suspect thought he wasn’t under their scope because everyone was looking for a much older, transient type of person. In fact he must’ve been absolutely thrilled over the media and public accusations made regarding DN’s involvement. If the killer had a SM presence at all, I’d place my bets that he was literally frothing over the expectation that DN ought to be charged and convicted for a crime he was totally innocent of (presumably).

 

[Krwiley60]

What makes you so sure?

I think they may be making some headway with the new sketch. But, 21/2 years later they are still waiting on that “one tip”. I still stand by my opinion that he may know Delphi and the bridge but is not from the area and went “home” after the murders without anyone realizing he was gone. JMO of course.

 

[Boxer]

MOO if ISP/CaCo got any new information after the 4/22 PC that is great. Hopefully it will build a productive direction.

 

[sumzero]

He also said in that radio interview that they know much more now than they did before the April PC. That the investigation is progressing not stagnant.

IIRC, he said they know "more" now than at the last PC just as they knew "more" at the last PC than at the beginning of the case. Well, I would hope so. Just another example of DC saying something without really saying anything, IMO.

 

[sunshineray]

I think they may be making some headway with the new sketch. But, 21/2 years later they are still waiting on that “one tip”. I still stand by my opinion that he may know Delphi and the bridge but is not from the area and went “home” after the murders without anyone realizing he was gone. JMO of course.

Ok, well hopefully that Delphi connection, no matter how small, will somehow wind up catching him. Praying it is so and that he doesn't kill again.

 

[sumzero]

I think they may be making some headway with the new sketch. But, 21/2 years later they are still waiting on that “one tip”. I still stand by my opinion that he may know Delphi and the bridge but is not from the area and went “home” after the murders without anyone realizing he was gone. JMO of course.

I wouldn't be surprised if the so-called "new direction" was not the result of new information but a desperate attempt to keep this case in the public eye, so it doesn't go cold.

 

[MistyWaters]

He also said in that radio interview that they know much more now than they did before the April PC. That the investigation is progressing not stagnant.

My intention is not to be cynical but Carter also said something about this only being the beginning. Yet others heard things that gave them the impression an impending arrest was about to occur. Interesting how we all hear the same words yet have various different interpretations.

By nature, I think optimism must be expressed during a Press Conferences asking for public tips otherwise people wouldn’t be motivated to offer information that could prove significant. And I really do hope they get the one tip they’re looking for. If LE didn’t require it, if this was a case that internal investigation had high hopes of solving, I don’t think LE would’ve been continually asking for the public’s assistance for over two years now but that’s just my opinion,

 

[FleurQualia]

I wouldn't be surprised if the so-called "new direction" was not the result of new information but a desperate attempt to keep this case in the public eye, so it doesn't go cold.

I don't want to say it, but I am afraid it already is :/

 

[laces]

Great!!! You beat me to it!

I'm glad Tricia approved it. I believe it was posted upstream, and then removed.

But why would Carter give an interview to this man? Does he just give out interviews to anyone who calls him? I don't think so. He must think it will be helpful in some way?

 

[MistyWaters]

I wouldn't be surprised if the so-called "new direction" was not the result of new information but a desperate attempt to keep this case in the public eye, so it doesn't go cold.

I wonder if the person involved in the newly released sketch reached out to LE, expressing concern and uncertainty in the way Carter originally announced the new sketch to be that of “the face” of the suspect. Because now Carter seems to be backing away from total accuracy by suggesting the suspect’s appearance may be somewhere between the two sketches.

 

[janewall]

One more idea. If he was interested in crime, he might have read some detective novels/true crime stories. Not everything is on Kindle. He might have checked things from a local library, esp as a kid.

(In our area, the libraries are interconnected).

Someone might check people’s reading lists through Carrol County exchange, I bet there will be some crime genre books there. If they have a suspect. Not now - before 2017, when he was thinking of it. If they keep school reading lists, even better. In my area, everything was computerized eons ago.

In general librarians are extremely reluctant to divulge the borrowing history of their patrons, and in at least some jurisdictions are not allowed to without a court order. (And they have been known to fight such a court order.) It's a civil liberties/First Amendment issue. With that in mind, I can't see how LE would be able to demand a blanket search of the entire borrowing history of particular books. If they had a particular suspect in mind, a request for that particular person's history might be honored, depending on local/state law.

ETA: MOO

 

[sunshineray]

IIRC, he said they know "more" now than at the last PC just as they knew "more" at the last PC than at the beginning of the case. Well, I would hope so. Just another example of DC saying something without really saying anything, IMO.

Yes that's what he said, by the April PC they knew more than right after the murders. (I took that to mean about the offender, DNA testings, interviews, tips, profiling) After April PC, they know even more because more tips and re-interviewing has new focus. I think he meant to assure that it's not a cold case, KE is not at a standstill, they're moving forward in the investigation. JMO

 

[sunshineray]

My intention is not to be cynical but Carter also said something about this only being the beginning. Yet others heard things that gave them the impression an impending arrest was about to occur. Interesting how we all hear the same words yet have various different interpretations.

By nature, I think optimism must be expressed during a Press Conferences asking for public tips otherwise people wouldn’t be motivated to offer information that could prove significant. And I really do hope they get the one tip they’re looking for. If LE didn’t require it, if this was a case that internal investigation had high hopes of solving, I don’t think LE would’ve been continually asking for the public’s assistance for over two years now but that’s just my opinion,

I never take constructive or corrective comments or even criticism in a bad way so I don't think anything you said is cynical.

I do think sometimes LE feels they have enough and it's the prosecutor who want that one more thing to ace a conviction in their mind.