Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[Deleted member 102539]

I remember in the Rhoden investigation LE actually came out and basically said to the law breaking public, we're not looking for you we want the killers. Who would fall for that if they were guilty of other crimes?

I for my part think of a reason, which wouldn't even touch the area of own offenses or crime. Do think of someone in the higher rank of publicity - would you like to be the one, who is the "denigrator" at the end?

 

[MistyWaters]

I wonder sometimes if the sheriff is having some sort of emotional breakdown over this case...his words are so jumbled and confusing, almost every time he speaks. Jmo, it can happen.

I am fairly convinced they do NOT have a suspect or even a suspicion of a specific person.

The only way I would believe they do is if they do NOT have any DNA so can’t get an item to test him. But then if they don’t have DNA, how have they been eliminating people for two years?

How many people have been eliminated I wonder? I notice they actually say.

“We have talked to well over 1,100 people. That includes persons of interest, that includes anybody and everybody that's involved in this case. If their name has been turned in, we've talked or attempted to talk to 99.9 percent of them."...”
Delphi murders: What we still don't know two years after the slayings of 2 teenagers

 

[sunshineray]

yes, agreed. something stated in the CM episode that was similar to the PC was that the killer wants power and has likely inserted himself into the case in order to find out what LE knows, and that LE has probably interviewed him already.

I agree that they are waiting for a link or proof/witness of who was driving the vehicle, and that it is not anyone else who may have borrowed the vehicle or that it may have been jointly registered to.

moonlesnight, what CM episode are you refering to? TIA

 

[susiQ]

I've been wondering if this investigation needs a shake up.

Oh, I think they already got one and that's what prompted the "new" direction and sketch. I hope they're on the right track now and just need to hone in and nail it down. They may not know for a certainty who BG is yet, but they are getting new tips and sifting through some of the old ones to see what they may have been "onto early on" as DC said in the Wish interview. I wonder if a recent arrest may fill in some blanks. Someone somewhere commented, "first to talk, first to walk." We shall see. JMHO.

 

[sunshineray]

He may be “a loner”, and yet “not a loner”.

“The term is “an ambivert”, a seemingly extroverted introvert. It happens to people who are, by nature, introverted, but hypercompensate by pushing themselves to be in the crowd, so to say. They sometimes end up drinking too much as alcohol socially disinhibits them. (Parents usually state that their shy kid suddenly blossomed in college (duh...). )

Or else, they do not hypercompensate, but are merely extroverted within the frameworks of their chosen profession.

So the BG still may be a loner, in a way.

A loner in the sense that his real nature is hidden, that I can agree with.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Also, adding that if it was sexually motivated it feeds into my fears that he has done this before and will do it again, if he hasn't already. Unless he has been locked up on other charges.

bbm
Perhaps, we should remember Lizzy/Lyric in Iowa the coming time and keep it in our mind a little bit? The dates of murder 02132017 (Delphi) and 07132012 (possibly meaningful, if the perp is a genius with numbers); the car in Iowa (which witnesses described as “a large and clunky white SUV” and “an old-style boxy suburban”).
It will be interesting in a very sad way, I fear.

 

[janewall]

Agree, killing children is NOT braggable...even to other killers. This guy has not told anyone.
Jmo

This begs the question: does BG actually perceive his victims as children? Or in his twisted mind are they 'women'? (or, to use what may be his language, some vile epithet for women?)

If so BG, and possibly even his confidante(s), could see these kills as bragworthy, or at least as actions (accomplishments?) not to feel shame or remorse over.

I wonder if there are any antisocial and/or misogynistic subcultures in the area that BG might have some familiarity with, even if he's not a full-fledged member – the drug scene or a biker gang, for example. He wouldn't have to be directly involved. It could be an old childhood friend of his got mixed up with a rough crowd while he appeared to take a more acceptable path - but they've stayed in touch, because they continue to share some interests and attitudes. Such a friend could provide validation and normalization of BG's crimes, not the disgust and loathing that LE and most of the locals have shown over the past 2 years.

Just spinning thoughts out late at night. JMO, MOO, etc.

 

[sunshineray]

If LE has a known suspect, I can’t think of one valid reason to play dangerous public mind games with him. Then on one hand commending the people of Delphi for their cooperation, but turning around and placing the 11th hour burden on to their shoulders for that “one tip” they need to identify the supposedly unknown suspect indicated in a “ballpark likeness” sketch described to be between 20 and 40 years old who might be living amongst them.

IMO that’d be the epitome of despicable. Either LE knows who the suspect is or they don’t and therefore require the community’s help. But I can’t see how it can be both.

The DNA they have could be not enough for a full read. Maybe they could only narrow it down to a family tree branch. They may have a best guess out of that...or two or more.
I keep thinking about the girls being found next to a water source, how it could have been used to wash away more useful evidence.

 

[susiQ]

I wonder sometimes if the sheriff is having some sort of emotional breakdown over this case...his words are so jumbled and confusing, almost every time he speaks. Jmo, it can happen.

I am fairly convinced they do NOT have a suspect or even a suspicion of a specific person.

The only way I would believe they do is if they do NOT have any DNA so can’t get an item to test him. But then if they don’t have DNA, how have they been eliminating people for two years?

Maybe a solid alibi?

 

[janewall]

moonlesnight, what CM episode are you refering to? TIA

The series premiere. Synopsis can be found here:
Criminal Minds (season 1) - Wikipedia

 

[susiQ]

This begs the question: does BG actually perceive his victims as children? Or in his twisted mind are they 'women'? (or, to use what may be his language, some vile epithet for women?)

If so BG, and possibly even his confidante(s), could see these kills as bragworthy, or at least as actions (accomplishments?) not to feel shame or remorse over.

I wonder if there are any antisocial and/or misogynistic subcultures in the area that BG might have some familiarity with, even if he's not a full-fledged member – the drug scene or a biker gang, for example.

Snipped for focus and BBM
I believe that may be it. Or at least works with my theory of the day

 

[tresir2012]

So he had to have a reason for saying that, which I’m assuming has to do with what he considered enough evidence for a prosecution.

I wasn’t following the case very closely back then, so would anyone here care to weigh in on any speculation as to why there still hasn’t been an arrest? TIA

What if BG was a CI of the police and already under witness protection? This could fit with the betrayal that they now feel. How could LE deal with something like that? Just a weird thought that occurred to me.
MOO

 

[tresir2012]

With such a major shift in this case recently and with LE releasing more 'new' info in the past 5 weeks than in the past year, I cannot help but feel hopeful that it has now finally reached a sharp turning point.

I am keeping the faith that LE has released the 'right' info that has led to that 'one tip' they were looking for and that BG is going to be arrested by page 50 of this thread.

Wow so let's get to page 50 quickly right? Today is the day.

 

[tresir2012]

MOO if they have the killers DNA from the CS scene, then an unrelated conviction leading to the killer being locked up would have meant the DNA was already added to CODIS. Unless a very new offense.

I am sure they police are zealously watching for a any new offense DNA profiles being entered into CODIS.
Unfortunately, I think being caught for a new crime is how they will ultimately catch BG. A family tree DNA match would be so much better.

I've been thinking about this. Now what happens if a perp is arrested for a felony but pleads guilty to a lesser misdemeanor charge? Does the DNA get binned? This happens a lot from what I read on Mycase. Also, as cases can take a long time, maybe DNA for BG has been taken but not even processed yet. MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

So he had to have a reason for saying that, which I’m assuming has to do with what he considered enough evidence for a prosecution.

I wasn’t following the case very closely back then, so would anyone here care to weigh in on any speculation as to why there still hasn’t been an arrest? TIA

Another opinion of mine, maybe the cell provider won't release vital phone info. Didn't that happen in one of the terrorism cases? MOO

 

[tresir2012]

Or maybe he's never actually heard NewBG's voice at all, but he knows one of his relatives and can hear the similarity. He just hasn't placed it yet.

Or maybe a lot of people sound like BG in Indiana? Can enough be heard for the public to determine? I wonder how much LE have actually heard him speak on the audio.

 

[tresir2012]

Can they interview both owners of the car? Unless someone can confirm that he/she borrowed the car, one of the owners might have a shaky alibi.

If joint owners, they may just be alibyng (?) each other. MOO

 

[Tiger Stripes]

He may be “a loner”, and yet “not a loner”.

“The term is “an ambivert”, a seemingly extroverted introvert. It happens to people who are, by nature, introverted, but hypercompensate by pushing themselves to be in the crowd, so to say. They sometimes end up drinking too much as alcohol socially disinhibits them. (Parents usually state that their shy kid suddenly blossomed in college (duh...). )

Or else, they do not hypercompensate, but are merely extroverted within the frameworks of their chosen profession.

So the BG still may be a loner, in a way.

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Sounds like @Charlot123 may be a good WS resource on the MBTI (16 "types": 1/2 are extroverts; 1/2 are introverts). Which of the 8 introvert types are more likely to "fit" into the profile, I wonder?

 

[MDATCA]

Another opinion of mine, maybe the cell provider won't release vital phone info. Didn't that happen in one of the terrorism cases? MOO

San Bernidito and it was apple wouldn't unlock the phone or something like that.

 

[helpfulcharlie]

What if BG was a CI of the police and already under witness protection? This could fit with the betrayal that they now feel. How could LE deal with something like that? Just a weird thought that occurred to me.
MOO

Oh boy, that sure would fit the attitude. And imagine the discomfort on LE's end when it become public that they "enabled" the killer. [Pure speculation based on speculation, please don't run with that.]