Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #105

[tresir2012]

Ok, so the farm that was searched on the 16th belong to the M family who were cleared at the time. That being said, the new sketch highly resembles one family member. Also, was Abby's boyfriend cleared? Did he live nearby?

I don't know the answer to your last two sentences. He was never a POI AFAIK so would not have needed to be cleared IMO. LE have stated everyone is a POI, which isn't helpful, I know.

 

[Krwiley60]

I'm trying to play catch up a bit. Thanks for the messages and comments. We're still in the hospital, but we're in a different place than what we were in last week so that's at least a change. Hopefully be able to go home soon. I don't feel like getting on the computer much right now because there are other things going on and I'm ill myself so I'm just going to make one big post. Sorry for being wordy. Normally I'd try to break this up and space it out a bit.

I still think the girls were randomly chosen. I think he went there with the intention of hurting someone and that it was just a wrong place at the wrong time kind of deal. There may have been some planning on his part, even if just in a general sense, but I also think he had a great deal of luck on his side. Not all unplanned crimes end up in frenzied, chaotic messes. Considering that this crime took place outside, the environment may have lent itself to a more pristine murder scene: no pictures to knock off the walls, no furniture to knock over, no broken glass, etc.

JP in the Jayme Closs case had both planning and luck on his side. On the one hand, he went so far as to shave his head, use a weapon that was difficult to trace, and remove the light on his car, but he was also extremely lucky in that if he'd been just a couple of minutes slower, if her dad had shot at him, or if the oncoming police cruiser had paid more attention to him, he'd have been caught on his way out. Or if one of them had fought back and gotten his skin under their nails or his blood.

As for why Abby/Libby and not someone else that day? It may have been timing. The other girls who were there may have been within closer range to other people and he didn't want to risk it. When he reached the end of the bridge with A&L, he knew that there wasn't anyone behind him for at least another 5-7 minutes because he'd have been able to see the length of the bridge. So right then and there he knew he'd have at least a small window of flex time to get them "down the hill." Perhaps he'd surveyed the area moments before and knew that there wasn't anyone under the bridge at that time, too. I think he underestimated the ease in which he could attack these two little girls. His ego probably thought hey, they're just kids and this will be easy. They did not, however, make it easy for him. Good.

I'm not convinced at all that anyone's afraid to turn him in. At least, I don't think they're fearful for what HE might do to them. Maybe they also have some sketchy things in THEIR past and now that they've seen LE arrest people for various crimes while doing interviews in this case they don't want to draw attention to themselves. (In fact, if I have any criticism about how the crime has been handled, that's it.)

More than likely, though, IMO someone has either turned him in and the tip somehow got buried, LE shrugged it off for some kind of reason (no idea why, but perhaps for a good alibi), or the people in his life are just having trouble connecting the pieces. LE released Ted Bundy's first name, description, and vehicle and some of his friends even joked with HIM about it. I'm wondering if it's one of the first two and that's why LE is regrouping and looking back at what happened in the early stages. Perhaps they've realized that they DID miss something in one of those tips in the beginning. They certainly reverted back to the OG sketch, so...

Yes, yes and yes!!!

 

[Justice101]

It is one thing to use technology in the moment to make an object/person more clear. But the image of BG was never clear. It was shot from far away. Technology can only do so much. You simply cannot make technology “remember” details or clarify an image that was never clear in the first place (beyond what has already been done).

Unfortunately, I do not see any strides being made in this area. What we see is what we get. MOO

There is actually technology used by the large astronomy observatories that will subtract out interference and blurring. (This was used on stars the center of our galaxy to plot their movements around the black hole at the center). Now, it did not do anything about the resolution of the images.. only the blurriness. But I am wondering if the technology has advanced to where (only in video), they can capture THE AVERGE pixilation of a face and use that data to reconstruct a slightly clearer image. I don't know.. but can only hope so.

 

[borndem]

Yes, I think they were pretty much off and needing to go back the other way when they were trapped by BG. To me in the video he looks like he is trying to be unassuming to the point it's alarming. He is on a mission. He is not looking at scenery, taking pictures, smiling and saying hello like you would on a rickety old bridge that is kind of a touristy thing to do. Those last moments when Libby is filming him and they are starting to panic realizing how unnatural he is acting and how isolated they are just breaks my heart and I can feel their terror. I think he acted suddenly and violently as soon as he was in their vicinity.

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Agree -- he was probably primed to put his plan into action right away, knowing "the sooner the better" for many reasons, and it would be difficult to chase two young, athletic screaming girls -- one goes one way; one goes another.

 

[borndem]

We have been there and there was NO way I was walking across that bridge... NOPE.. some boards were missing, some looked so old, I would be afraid to have stepped on it. Now, If I were a teenager again, I probably would have crossed it as I had no fear back then.

Thanks for that info about the bridge. It sounds like something I would never cross, either. I agree with you on that!

It could also indicate that BG had crossed that bridge before, so he knew which areas were safe and which ones were not. The girls probably knew the bridge, too.

 

[Cutiekitty]

This is probably an extremely stupid question (I apologize in advance), but did LE state the pic of Abby was posted at 2:07pm? I have been working in the yard and it’s a billion degrees out so my brain might be fried.

Edit: The reason I ask is the precise time of the posting. You can put a time stamp on your photos, but the ones I’ve seen do not have that they just say 7 hours ago. Something posted under an hour prior to viewing gives the number of minutes since it was posted, but I posted something over an hour ago (but less than 2 hours ago) and it just says it was posted an hour ago. LE probably did state it, but I just can not find it.

 

[SkipperKey3]

Thanks for that info about the bridge. It sounds like something I would never cross, either. I agree with you on that!

It could also indicate that BG had crossed that bridge before, so he knew which areas were safe and which ones were not. The girls probably knew the bridge, too.

Not Abby. She had never crossed it before. In fact, I think she was forbidden to do so, but I'm not sure.

 

[Justice101]

That he is ill mentally, is obvious. No normal person would kill two random teenagers on the bridge, unless his life, or the life of his kids, would be instantaneously endangered by the said teenagers.

That "by reasons of insanity" plea is not going to fly is obvious, too.

My opinion early on based on the photo of the guy who was obviously not hiding in the bushes or anything....was that the girls laughed (either at him or just like teenage girls do.. they laugh at everything) when they went by him near the north end of the bridge.

Maybe he doesn't know it, but he actually has a low opinion of himself and blames women...for turning him down and/or making fun of him when he was young. He becomes more and more enraged to teach them a lesson. Then walks out onto the bridge towards them to confront them, only to get another laugh at who knows what. He then escalates it to scare them even more and next thing you know, he grabs one of them, the other one hit him and he strangles or stabs one of them.

Yes, I know this is complete and total speculation and probably utter nonsense! But the photo just made him look like a man who was weak and trying to be the tough guy.

I think he was creeping around that trail and giggling, snickering or just an eye roll or something like that by the girls just set him off.

Maybe look for a real loner...no girlfriend. Who is quiet and meek and was picked on and laughed at by girls when he was young. Yeh, I know, that could be hundreds of thousands of people! Not much help, am I???

Regardless of my ranting and wild guessing...we need this killer arrested!

 

[Boxer]

I was asking about the homeowner of the M home that was searched and referenced in the article, not the other guy you are talking about RL.

Ah, thanks. Misunderstood.

 

[Boxer]

There is actually technology used by the large astronomy observatories that will subtract out interference and blurring. (This was used on stars the center of our galaxy to plot their movements around the black hole at the center). Now, it did not do anything about the resolution of the images.. only the blurriness. But I am wondering if the technology has advanced to where (only in video), they can capture THE AVERGE pixilation of a face and use that data to reconstruct a slightly clearer image. I don't know.. but can only hope so.

Disney was always highly technical and not afraid if hard work.
MOO I believe they have already blown up the face wall size, assessed every pixel, weighed splitting it, evaluating each bit for whether that it would likely be darker, lighter, or the same value.
Then shrink the whole thing down again with its added level of resolution.
Working at that level might have revealed that there is really likely chance that a scarf other fabric is interfering with seeing the lower face.
MOO I think increasing the definition this way would reveal there was a bit of scarf on the right side of BG face. If the lump is perceived as part if his face, the added width makes his face look like a man 45 -50 yo. If that piece is perceived as fabric, the face then appears thinner, a young man with a potato nose.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Disney was always highly technical and not afraid if hard work.
MOO I believe they have already blown up the face wall size, assessed every pixel, weighed splitting it, evaluating each bit for whether that it would likely be darker, lighter, or the same value.
Then shrink the whole thing down again with its added level of resolution.
Working at that level might have revealed that there is really likely chance that a scarf other fabric is interfering with seeing the lower face.
MOO I think increasing the definition this way would reveal there was a bit of scarf on the right side of BG face. If the lump is perceived as part if his face, the added width makes his face look like a man 45 -50 yo. If that piece is perceived as fabric, the face then appears thinner, a young man with a potato nose.

Ah yes, that potato nose...

 

[Owl4]

I've been on this thread since it started, reading, giving thoughts an ideas. I am curious LE wants to talk to a person that had a vehicle parked at the old building that is now torn down.
LE does not give a type of vehicle or color correct? Curious if it was a car? Jeep? SUV? Jimmy?
What if said person that parked the vehicle possibly sold it?

 

[Boxer]

dbm

 

[tresir2012]

I've been on this thread since it started, reading, giving thoughts an ideas. I am curious LE wants to talk to a person that had a vehicle parked at the old building that is now torn down.
LE does not give a type of vehicle or color correct? Curious if it was a car? Jeep? SUV? Jimmy?
What if said person that parked the vehicle possibly sold it?

Also seems that they may no longer be looking for the vehicle as it was not on the last LE appeal.

So does that mean they have what they needed regarding the vehicle and drivers now?

 

[Charlot123]

Considering the video,

I don't think he used a mask, as some said, but there are some buccal pads that are used by actors, I think?

In the Infamous Indy Delphi podcast KG says AW and LG borrowed her sweatshirts to wear that day. It looks like AW is wearing a sweatshirt jacket which is why I added “jacket”. I think the comment is about 1/2 way through the podcast.

In the same podcast KG also says her BF’s sister was with a group at the trail that day too, but she/they left before the girls were dropped off. I thought that was interesting (not necessarily in a nefarious way). There were a lot of young people at the trails that day.

Was KG’s jacket well-known? Could someone take AW for Kelsi from afar?

 

[Charlot123]

I get the feeling he is like a chameleon - he knows how a person SHOULD act in certain situations and is able to adjust his persona to whatever situation he is in.

Most people are so busy with their own lives they take him on face value. However, there are probably several people who are more perceptive who get an uncomfortable feeling around him - like something is “off”. But he’s so good at appearing like he SHOULD that even these perceptive people can’t quite take that extra step to believe he could do this.

They likely feel he is odd, off, different, fake, socially awkward, etc but not that he’s dangerous.

I think that 1:1 he is calmer, and in large groups, social enough to blend in, but in small groups, the strangeness comes out.

 

[soylattesandsleuthing]

Considering the video,

I don't think he used a mask, as some said, but there are some buccal pads that are used by actors, I think?



Was KG’s jacket well-known? Could someone take AW for Kelsi from afar?

I could be wrong, but I think Kelsi has a bigger frame than Abby. It looks like she’s closer to Libby’s size than Abby’s.

Meaning, I don’t think they would have mistaken Abby for Kelsi. Libby for Kelsi I could definitely see, though.

 

[Cutiekitty]

Considering the video,

I don't think he used a mask, as some said, but there are some buccal pads that are used by actors, I think?



Was KG’s jacket well-known? Could someone take AW for Kelsi from afar?

No clue. She just said they borrowed her sweatshirts. They do look a lot alike so I guess someone could’ve thought LG was KG.

 

[margarita25]

Not Abby. She had never crossed it before. In fact, I think she was forbidden to do so, but I'm not sure.

Hmmm

Are we sure she never crossed it before? I’ve been wondering about this because this lend itself to the potential theory that the girls were on the bridge trying to get away from him.

 

[NameUser]

In the Infamous Indy Delphi podcast KG says AW and LG borrowed her sweatshirts to wear that day. It looks like AW is wearing a sweatshirt jacket which is why I added “jacket”. I think the comment is about 1/2 way through the podcast.

In the same podcast KG also says her BF’s sister was with a group at the trail that day too, but she/they left before the girls were dropped off. I thought that was interesting (not necessarily in a nefarious way). There were a lot of young people at the trails that day.

Can you link the podcast?