Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #106

[JudgeJudi]

But didn’t she take BP’s phone as hers was malfunctioning the previous day?

No, she took her own phone.

From my transcription of Gray Hughes' interview with Mike and Becky Patty

"Now I don’t remember a lot of the walking because at that point in time I called AT&T because Libby had reset her phone the week before because it kept glitching, it just kept catching, it kept freezing up on her. So she reset the phone to factory reset, but when she did that, she didn’t reset some of the different apps. So I called AT&T to ask them if they could ping or trace her phone because if you have, you know, like that thing, Trace My Phone or whatever it is as an app, you can – they can do it. So I know that they probably could trace her phone. "

IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #104

 

[Deleted member 278]

Kay Weber has property near the Park.................moo

Ok... Who's that?

 

[mtnlites]

I don't think he was wearing a mask or in disguise. I think he had apparatus under his bulky clothing tho.

Agree. Wearing a visible disguise like a fake nose or obvious wig would do the opposite of probably what he wanted to do-blend in.

 

[mtnlites]

This statement makes it clear BG was wearing a disguise on his head/face.

“This is the face of the suspect that goes with body of the video captured on Liberty German's cell phone minutes before she and Abigail Williams were murdered.”

That's not the way I interpret this statement at all so it's not "clear" to me. I do not read this as the perp was wearing a disguise-I read it as the fact that the image on the video/photo is so blurry that details can't be discerned so the sketch helps put facial details into focus.

 

[susiQ]

If this has already been posted, apologies. 50 ish miles from Delphi

Police: Grandparents fought off man who tried to abduct 6-year-old girl

Another Methamphetamine addict. JMO based on his criminal record on MyCase. Too bad they don't keep the makers and dealers locked up instead of giving them plea deals. Also, JMO.

 

[FinePrint]

If after one year no one came forward, what makes LE think someone will now? Two plus years and 42,000 tips later and still......no one. Whoever knows, is NOT about to start talking now unless there's something in it for him/her. DC also seems to think the killer has a wee bit of conscience left. I highly doubt it. JMO

To add to that is the fact that the reward money is so high, I think over $200, $240 grand.

That’s a lot of cash especially around here, that’s a nice house and a new truck.

This guy can’t be so highly regarded that if someone knew, would not turn him in for that kind of pay out. People kill people for a lot less than that.

This is what leads me to believe that he has not told anyone what he did.

If local, he sure blends in well and dresses typically for the area. The sketches are just sketch’s and the video released just isn’t clear enough to really make out his features (pure luck for BG).

My opinion of course, I think he is local, familiar with the trail area and bridge but lives just on the outskirts of town, alone or with elderly parents.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

To add to that is the fact that the reward money is so high, I think over $200, $240 grand.

That’s a lot of cash especially around here, that’s a nice house and a new truck.

This guy can’t be so highly regarded that if someone knew, would not turn him in for that kind of pay out. People kill people for a lot less than that.

This is what leads me to believe that he has not told anyone what he did.

If local, he sure blends in well and dresses typically for the area. The sketches are just sketch’s and the video released just isn’t clear enough to really make out his features (pure luck for BG).

My opinion of course, I think he is local, familiar with the trail area and bridge but lives just on the outskirts of town, alone or with elderly parents.

I agree with this in that I tend to think it’s less likely he is a member of a highly respected known family in the area and more likely he is a probable druggie living on the social fringes. I do think people are aware he did these murders, but they run in the same circles and are not necessarily protecting him, but more likely don’t see anything really wrong with what he did.

 

[JenniD]

Let today be the day - I still am optimistic he will be caught. I think when that happens locals will be shocked!!

 

[rosesfromangels]

I agree with this in that I tend to think it’s less likely he is a member of a highly respected known family in the area and more likely he is a probable druggie living on the social fringes. I do think people are aware he did these murders, but they run in the same circles and are not necessarily protecting him, but more likely don’t see anything really wrong with what he did.

Respectfully have a different POV. I believe LE when they said he may be living in plain sight. I don’t think he is a druggie. His predator movements and level of organization suggest an SK in my amateur opinion and speculation; not random, not a disorganized druggie.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[tresir2012]

Ok... Who's that?

This person owns a lot of the land around that end of the bridge. In the media thread page 38 I posted a link to Beacon Schneider where all the ownership of land in that area can be found.

 

[tresir2012]

That's not the way I interpret this statement at all so it's not "clear" to me. I do not read this as the perp was wearing a disguise-I read it as the fact that the image on the video/photo is so blurry that details can't be discerned so the sketch helps put facial details into focus.

This is the sketch of the face of the body of the man in the picture in the video that also captured the voice of the suspect saying "Guys.....down the hill" in this case, in a nutshell.

 

[Blue Amethyst]

It would be possible, IMO.
Example:
North Carolina Police arrest black bank robbery suspect who wore old white guy mask | Daily Mail Online

I have always thought this is possible too.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I have always thought this is possible too.

There is *nothing* coming from official LE to suggest this is anything other than a Caucasian male. Please, let’s not confuse who people should be looking for.
Peace and love to all; justice is coming!

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Cutiekitty]

To add to that is the fact that the reward money is so high, I think over $200, $240 grand.

That’s a lot of cash especially around here, that’s a nice house and a new truck.

This guy can’t be so highly regarded that if someone knew, would not turn him in for that kind of pay out. People kill people for a lot less than that.

This is what leads me to believe that he has not told anyone what he did.

If local, he sure blends in well and dresses typically for the area. The sketches are just sketch’s and the video released just isn’t clear enough to really make out his features (pure luck for BG).

My opinion of course, I think he is local, familiar with the trail area and bridge but lives just on the outskirts of town, alone or with elderly parents.

I don’t think the reward money is actually distributed till the information provided leads to an arrest (maybe a conviction too - not sure about that) so he may have talked about it to someone and it’s just sitting in the enormous pile of tips or LE is building their case on the person. I’d like this to be the case.

If the reward is $240k and I identified the person I wouldn’t feel comfortable keeping all of it. I’d maybe keep enough to pay off my car and use the rest to set up scholarship funds in the names of the girls or donate to the ball fields they are building. I think those would be nice ways to honor them. Not judging anyone that would keep it all.

 

[FinePrint]

I don’t think the reward money is actually distributed till the information provided leads to an arrest (maybe a conviction too - not sure about that) so he may have talked about it to someone and it’s just sitting in the enormous pile of tips or LE is building their case on the person. I’d like this to be the case.

If the reward is $240k and I identified the person I wouldn’t feel comfortable keeping all of it. I’d maybe keep enough to pay off my car and use the rest to set up scholarship funds in the names of the girls or donate to the ball fields they are building. I think those would be nice ways to honor them. Not judging anyone that would keep it all.

Just a correction, I looked up the latest amount of the reward fund and as of April this year was at $224,000.

 

[FinePrint]

I don’t think the reward money is actually distributed till the information provided leads to an arrest (maybe a conviction too - not sure about that) so he may have talked about it to someone and it’s just sitting in the enormous pile of tips or LE is building their case on the person. I’d like this to be the case.

If the reward is $240k and I identified the person I wouldn’t feel comfortable keeping all of it. I’d maybe keep enough to pay off my car and use the rest to set up scholarship funds in the names of the girls or donate to the ball fields they are building. I think those would be nice ways to honor them. Not judging anyone that would keep it all.

Heck no, I wouldn’t take any of that money but to a lot of folks it may be a motivating factor to turn him in.

 

[susiQ]

I agree with this in that I tend to think it’s less likely he is a member of a highly respected known family in the area and more likely he is a probable druggie living on the social fringes. I do think people are aware he did these murders, but they run in the same circles and are not necessarily protecting him, but more likely don’t see anything really wrong with what he did.

That's exactly where I'm at as well. I seriously wish someone could convince me otherwise, as it drives me crazy to think these creeps have no conscience about what happened to Abby and Libby. Or, if they do grow a conscience, may be too fearful to come forward in person.

 

[janewall]

To me, these are new. I don't remember anything about this from msm or PC.
It's hard to remember what is fact and what is speculation sometime! I hope someone can verify or refute this info

I know I posted at some point while we were dissecting the PC that the anger and difficulty keeping his emotions under control that DC showed during the PC sounded to me as though he felt someone LE trusted had lied/betrayed LE in the early days of the investigation. I doubt I would have phrased it in that way in my own mind much less in writing if he or other LE had specifically stated that they felt that emotion. Instead I likely would have said something like "he said they were betrayed by a witness, and his anger/fury about that was evident during the PC."

In short, it was speculation on my part, based on DC's affect and statements during that segment of the PC – I doubt I heard the word or a synonym. Maybe it was said at another time, but I have no knowledge of that.

MOO!

 

[janewall]

To add to that is the fact that the reward money is so high, I think over $200, $240 grand.

That’s a lot of cash especially around here, that’s a nice house and a new truck.

This guy can’t be so highly regarded that if someone knew, would not turn him in for that kind of pay out. People kill people for a lot less than that.

This is what leads me to believe that he has not told anyone what he did.

If local, he sure blends in well and dresses typically for the area. The sketches are just sketch’s and the video released just isn’t clear enough to really make out his features (pure luck for BG).

My opinion of course, I think he is local, familiar with the trail area and bridge but lives just on the outskirts of town, alone or with elderly parents.

On the chance that someone is concerned about payback should they come forward, $240,000 also pays for a lot of security upgrades, a private detective or guard, attorney fees etc.

 

[cody22]

I know I posted at some point while we were dissecting the PC that the anger and difficulty keeping his emotions under control that DC showed during the PC sounded to me as though he felt someone LE trusted had lied/betrayed LE in the early days of the investigation. I doubt I would have phrased it in that way in my own mind much less in writing if he or other LE had specifically stated that they felt that emotion. Instead I likely would have said something like "he said they were betrayed by a witness, and his anger/fury about that was evident during the PC."

In short, it was speculation on my part, based on DC's affect and statements during that segment of the PC – I doubt I heard the word or a synonym. Maybe it was said at another time, but I have no knowledge of that.

MOO!

Ageed........ I believe sketchBG2 being accepted as "worthy" opened their eyes to a possible "real BG" that they had dismissed early on, because of long held trust, and an alibi for being in the area at the time.........moo