Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #106

[Ninja Bunny]

I'd take all of the money and use it for whatever I wanted as I'm not obligated to explain what I'd do with it to anyone.

I think he's a Gary Ridgway type in that he's some ordinary unremarkable guy that nobody looks twice at and can easily hide in plain sight. I don't think the girls knew him since they didn't say his name or describe him as "the guy who works at x" on the video, if they had I think we would already have a named POI or suspect by now. I think he could be related to or associated with someone they know but they don't know him specifically. I still think LE has someone in mind based on their comments at the last press conference but don't have enough evidence yet.

 

[steeltowngirl]

On the chance that someone is concerned about payback should they come forward, $240,000 also pays for a lot of security upgrades, a private detective or guard, attorney fees etc.

Yes, but only to a point. It wouldn’t be enough to totally protect a witness’s family members from retaliatory harm or death. I would hope the state would step in with that level of funding for protection.

 

[JenniD]

Yes, but only to a point. It wouldn’t be enough to totally protect a witness’s family members from retaliatory harm or death. I would hope the state would step in with that level of funding for protection.

I think the risk of worrying about retaliation will depend on who the perp ends up being
If this is drug related I think there is a risk to whomever receives the reward but if my #1 POI is the killer I don’t see a risk-just shock from those he works with-socializes with

 

[StarryStarryNight]

That's exactly where I'm at as well. I seriously wish someone could convince me otherwise, as it drives me crazy to think these creeps have no conscience about what happened to Abby and Libby. Or, if they do grow a conscience, may be too fearful to come forward in person.

I have gone everywhere on this for the last two years...serial killer, truck driver, local, not local, transient, homeless, meth addict, etc everything. But the fact that no one has ratted this guy out yet, from fear or allegiance, makes me think he lives on the edges of society, dabbles frequently in minor to major criminal activity, and his friends are of the same ilk. The only thing that I don’t understand in this scenario is it seems like the police should kinda for sure know who this is. Maybe they do.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

I keep seeing people saying that LE "knows" who did it, but that they're "building an airtight case." We must have vastly different experiences with LE & DAs then. My experiences with LE here, and with LE in Delphi, is that if they have reason to suspect a person of comitting a crime-especially a major one-they'll arrest if they have any evidence at all. Especially in a high-profile crime. They'll often work with the DA as a professional courtesy, and they will bounce ideas off of each other, but I can't fathom a situation where LE would say, "We know this dude brutally killed 2 kids, but prosecution doesn't think we're ready so we will hold off on an arrest. Hopefully he doesn't kill anyone else in the meantime!" I have multiple family members in LE including some in the Delphi area, family that works homicide and narcotics, and they have always erred on the side of caution when it comes to public safety. They gather evidence, they interview, they make arrests and keep the public safe-the DA is the one who puts all of that together to ensure that it's an "airtight case." I can see a world in which they have an idea of who it might be, but don't have any hard evidence in which to back it up. I can not, however, after a dozen years of writing true crime and listening to LE discuss things off the record, fathom them holding off on the arrest of a high-profile child murderer who could very well attack again.

They must have some evidence since they've weeded people out.

I will take a stab at answering this since I am one of those people who believes that LE has a suspect and that they are building an airtight case.

Now...my disclaimer is that I don't have a resume to speak of when it comes to having family members in LE nor do I write about true crime, so my amateur opinion is all I've got. Everything below is JMO and the good old 'scroll and roll' is an option.

I get that LE gathers the evidence and the DA presents it. In this case, I believe that there is a very, very tight collabrative effort taking place with LE, FBI and DA along with newly returned Ives.

They are looking at every tip, assessing it to see if it matches their perp and are waiting for maybe just one more piece of 'hard' evidence to make the arrest.

I think that they have this guy under surveillance and are watching his every move and making him afraid to strike again because of some of the things they have said.

Directly to the killer who may be in this room,"We believe you are hiding in plain sight."

One of the reasons why LE would state that's the perp is hiding in plain sight is if they know who it is.

What if LE is holding off on an arrest because the perp is someone with a great deal of money and power and they need to ensure that they have their evidence locked down airtight to avoid any chance for this person to go free?

"I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will."

I may sound like I am completely off my rocker but my suggestion is what if the perp was 'prominent' in the State?

That would make a person 'afraid to come forward' to debunk an alibi if they suspect the killer and are scared of repercussions from someone who was highly regarded as well as wealthy. Maybe those closest to him depend on him for their livelihood?
It would also require the community's support and understanding if this perp has a reach far and wide, would it not?

Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning.

Sickos, rapists and muderers come in all shapes and forms. Doctors, priests, teachers, althletes and movie stars. We have seen the headlines time and time again about people in high places committing some horrendous acts, and those around them are completely shocked about what they've done when they hear about it.

Someone being prominent doesn't make them immune from committing horrible and despicable acts but it can certainly restrict LE from moving forward quickly on an arrest if there is a key piece of evidence missing, for example a solid piece of (DNA) or finding a person who is not afraid to say that the perp lied about where he was that day.

We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

I think that there are many, many discussions going on right now between LE and the DA'(s) and what it's going to take for them to make an arrest. I believe at the end of the day, when it comes time to try this case, a change of venue is most certainly going to be necessary.

Thinking out loud and JMO and my apologies for the long-winded post and rambling.

 

[mtnlites]

Honestly, as long as someone comes forward and offers the information that leads to an arrest and conviction, they could use the reward money to buy a lifetime supply of Hot Pockets for all I care. I'm sure those who are donating the funds would just be happy that someone talked. If I were the one contributing $100,000 to the fund, I'd encourage whoever talked to spend it however they wanted-and not to feel guilty if it's not all for altruistic purposes. I could do some real damage at the Dollar General and Walmart after Christmas sales with that kind of money.

I keep hoping that the reward money will start making BG feel all paranoid-even if nobody in his life actually suspects anything. Every time he sees that amount flashing on the screen or in print, I hope he gets nervous. Nervous people make mistakes.

 

[cody22]

Honestly, as long as someone comes forward and offers the information that leads to an arrest and conviction, they could use the reward money to buy a lifetime supply of Hot Pockets for all I care. I'm sure those who are donating the funds would just be happy that someone talked. If I were the one contributing $100,000 to the fund, I'd encourage whoever talked to spend it however they wanted-and not to feel guilty if it's not all for altruistic purposes. I could do some real damage at the Dollar General and Walmart after Christmas sales with that kind of money.

I keep hoping that the reward money will start making BG feel all paranoid-even if nobody in his life actually suspects anything. Every time he sees that amount flashing on the screen or in print, I hope he gets nervous. Nervous people make mistakes.

Best post today!.....LOL !!!!....moo

 

[susiQ]

I have gone everywhere on this for the last two years...serial killer, truck driver, local, not local, transient, homeless, meth addict, etc everything. But the fact that no one has ratted this guy out yet, from fear or allegiance, makes me think he lives on the edges of society, dabbles frequently in minor to major criminal activity, and his friends are of the same ilk. The only thing that I don’t understand in this scenario is it seems like the police should kinda for sure know who this is. Maybe they do.

We're definitely on the same page! Not sure they know exactly who did it, but they may have an idea of who is ultimately responsible? OR, is the individual so well insulated they can't make a case?

 

[susiQ]

I will take a stab at answering this since I am one of those people who believes that LE has a suspect and that they are building an airtight case.

Now...my disclaimer is that I don't have a resume to speak of when it comes to having family members in LE nor do I write about true crime, so my amateur opinion is all I've got. Everything below is JMO and the good old 'scroll and roll' is an option.

I get that LE gathers the evidence and the DA presents it. In this case, I believe that there is a very, very tight collabrative effort taking place with LE, FBI and DA along with newly returned Ives.

They are looking at every tip, assessing it to see if it matches their perp and are waiting for maybe just one more piece of 'hard' evidence to make the arrest.

I think that they have this guy under surveillance and are watching his every move and making him afraid to strike again because of some of the things they have said.

Directly to the killer who may be in this room,"We believe you are hiding in plain sight."

One of the reasons why LE would state that's the perp is hiding in plain sight is if they know who it is.

What if LE is holding off on an arrest because the perp is someone with a great deal of money and power and they need to ensure that they have their evidence locked down airtight to avoid any chance for this person to go free?

"I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will."

I may sound like I am completely off my rocker but my suggestion is what if the perp was 'prominent' in the State?

That would make a person 'afraid to come forward' to debunk an alibi if they suspect the killer and are scared of repercussions from someone who was highly regarded as well as wealthy. Maybe those closest to him depend on him for their livelihood?
It would also require the community's support and understanding if this perp has a reach far and wide, would it not?

Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning.

Sickos, rapists and muderers come in all shapes and forms. Doctors, priests, teachers, althletes and movie stars. We have seen the headlines time and time again about people in high places committing some horrendous acts, and those around them are completely shocked about what they've done when they hear about it.

Someone being prominent doesn't make them immune from committing horrible and despicable acts but it can certainly restrict LE from moving forward quickly on an arrest if there is a key piece of evidence missing, for example a solid piece of (DNA) or finding a person who is not afraid to say that the perp lied about where he was that day.

We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

I think that there are many, many discussions going on right now between LE and the DA'(s) and what it's going to take for them to make an arrest. I believe at the end of the day, when it comes time to try this case, a change of venue is most certainly going to be necessary.

Thinking out loud and JMO and my apologies for the long-winded post and rambling.

What if the person responsible for the murders is not the one who actually committed the murders? Certainly adds some complication to the investigation? JMO

ETA: not absolving the monster that did it, at all. It's a dark world they come from and I think that's why nobody that knows anything is talking face to face with LE. MOO

 

[FinePrint]

Does anyone know who the reward money contributors are?

 

[mtnlites]

Does anyone know who the reward money contributors are?

We've been told about the big ones. Former punter for the Colts is one.

 

[FinePrint]

We've been told about the big ones. Former punter for the Colts is one.

Wow, that’s pretty cool!

 

[mtnlites]

Wow, that’s pretty cool!

He's a good guy. My husband runs a fantasy football podcast in his "spare" time for fun. He's said lots of good things about him.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

What if the person responsible for the murders is not the one who actually committed the murders? Certainly adds some complication to the investigation? JMO

ETA: not absolving the monster that did it, at all. It's a dark world they come from and I think that's why nobody that knows anything is talking face to face with LE. MOO

That would add layers upon layers of complication! A prosecuters true nightmare to prove the links.

JMO

 

[Jabarn]

Ageed........ I believe sketchBG2 being accepted as "worthy" opened their eyes to a possible "real BG" that they had dismissed early on, because of long held trust, and an alibi for being in the area at the time.........moo

Still, something doesn’t sit right with me about the newly released sketch of BG that was sketched so close to the time of the crime but not released until this year. The new sketch shows BG is younger looking, with a long jaw, and a head full of hair.

... about the investigators being betrayed is frustrating. Why did that happen? Who mislead them?

Thanks to all who have hung in here.

 

[Cutiekitty]

Still, something doesn’t sit right with me about the newly released sketch of BG that was sketched so close to the time of the crime but not released until this year. The new sketch shows BG is younger looking, with a long jaw, and a head full of hair.

... about the investigators being betrayed is frustrating. Why did that happen? Who mislead them?

Thanks to all who have hung in here.

Thanks for putting up with those of us that are new to the case!

 

[Jabarn]

Thanks for putting up with those of us that are new to the case!

The more the better, cutiekitty. New minds and interest are so important.

It’s hard to look down the road when RL was talked about all the time (since he wore clothes like BG and his 40 acre property was the site where they were found) and all we have learned in the past two + years. It’s almost embarrassing, looking back.

My thoughts always go to the families who have to live this roller coaster, and always seem so patient and kind.

I will say the new sketch has generated more interest.

One thing I go back to is the victimology and motive. Why Abby and Libby?

 

[susiQ]

That would add layers upon layers of complication! A prosecuters true nightmare to prove the links.

JMO

Perhaps that explains DC's emotion at the PC? JMO

 

[Blueberry2720]

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... what if . . . adults in the killer's life, as he was growing up, not only had reason to have certain serious concerns about his demeanor, behavior, emotional state, etc., but they VOICED these concerns (carefully, legally, e.g., a counselor, a doctor) to the kid's parent(s), but the parent(s) were in such denial then (and maybe still are now), that they totally blew it off, laughed it off as absurd, or the like????

 

[susiQ]

BBM

may be the million dollar (or $225,000) question.

Maybe going in the other direction was, let's say, uncomfortable for some reason or other? Perhaps even cognitive disonnance? Don't want to believe what's right before your eyes? Or someone doesn't want you to believe what's right before your eyes? DC said in his interview with Wish, that they may have been onto something early on. Wonder what that was and why they didn't pursue that trail? MOO