Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #106

[Blueberry2720]

I will take a stab at answering this since I am one of those people who believes that LE has a suspect and that they are building an airtight case.

Now...my disclaimer is that I don't have a resume to speak of when it comes to having family members in LE nor do I write about true crime, so my amateur opinion is all I've got. Everything below is JMO and the good old 'scroll and roll' is an option.

I get that LE gathers the evidence and the DA presents it. In this case, I believe that there is a very, very tight collabrative effort taking place with LE, FBI and DA along with newly returned Ives.

They are looking at every tip, assessing it to see if it matches their perp and are waiting for maybe just one more piece of 'hard' evidence to make the arrest.

I think that they have this guy under surveillance and are watching his every move and making him afraid to strike again because of some of the things they have said.

Directly to the killer who may be in this room,"We believe you are hiding in plain sight."

One of the reasons why LE would state that's the perp is hiding in plain sight is if they know who it is.

What if LE is holding off on an arrest because the perp is someone with a great deal of money and power and they need to ensure that they have their evidence locked down airtight to avoid any chance for this person to go free?

"I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will."

I may sound like I am completely off my rocker but my suggestion is what if the perp was 'prominent' in the State?

That would make a person 'afraid to come forward' to debunk an alibi if they suspect the killer and are scared of repercussions from someone who was highly regarded as well as wealthy. Maybe those closest to him depend on him for their livelihood?
It would also require the community's support and understanding if this perp has a reach far and wide, would it not?

Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning.

Sickos, rapists and muderers come in all shapes and forms. Doctors, priests, teachers, althletes and movie stars. We have seen the headlines time and time again about people in high places committing some horrendous acts, and those around them are completely shocked about what they've done when they hear about it.

Someone being prominent doesn't make them immune from committing horrible and despicable acts but it can certainly restrict LE from moving forward quickly on an arrest if there is a key piece of evidence missing, for example a solid piece of (DNA) or finding a person who is not afraid to say that the perp lied about where he was that day.

We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

I think that there are many, many discussions going on right now between LE and the DA'(s) and what it's going to take for them to make an arrest. I believe at the end of the day, when it comes time to try this case, a change of venue is most certainly going to be necessary.

Thinking out loud and JMO and my apologies for the long-winded post and rambling.

Agree 125%.
My only addition/comment, is that the perp and/or his family, may be in a profession which is not only prominant, but is a profession which is totally contradictory to this level of behavior. Putting 2 and 2 together, my gut says this guy is likely somehow tied to religion, which supports Carter's religious tones in the April PC. He could be from a prominent religious family, or maybe he works at a religious organization - think Catholic bookstore in MO, or a church or private parochial school, etc. He could so easily hide behind the cloak of brotherly love, preaching the gospel of the Lord. Who would suspect someone like that?? Think MO again - TB was a PASTOR AND A MURDERER and no one had a clue. I think of all professions or affiliations a perp could have, religion provides the ultimate disguise for "hiding in plain sight".

MOO, JMO

 

[max99]

*peace

 

[Jabarn]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>, what if . . . adults in the killer's life, as he was growing up, not only had reason to have certain serious concerns about his demeanor, behavior, emotional state, etc., but they VOICED these concerns (carefully, legally, e.g., a counselor, a doctor) to the kid's parent(s), but the parent(s) were in such denial then (and maybe still are now), that they totally blew it off, laughed it off as absurd, or the like????

Ok... there has to be some thinking BG did have some kind of issues during childhood, or at least adolescence. If he is a local, which is the last we have heard, perhaps it would make sense for the locals to tip in any male who had behavioral markers who is now aged 18 to 40 (but who may be older than 40, but look younger).

That’s a huge expectation, especially if the parent(s) aren’t involved at all, because he left the nest. Maybe the older folks who may have a direct acquaintance with BG do have cognitive dissonance and are sitting on the hands, as a metaphor.

Wikipedia on cognitive dissonance: Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia

 

[Jabarn]

Agree 125%.
My only addition/comment, is that the perp and/or his family, may be in a profession which is not only prominant, but is a profession which is totally contradictory to this level of behavior. Putting 2 and 2 together, my gut says this guy is likely somehow tied to religion, which supports Carter's religious tones in the April PC. He could be from a prominent religious family, or maybe he works at a religious organization - think Catholic bookstore in MO, or a church or private parochial school, etc. He could so easily hide behind the cloak of brotherly love, preaching the gospel of the Lord. Who would suspect someone like that?? Think MO again - TB was a PASTOR AND A MURDERER and no one had a clue. I think of all professions or affiliations a perp could have, religion provides the ultimate disguise for "hiding in plain sight".

MOO, JMO

Makes sense, if we go with what Carter was saying. Not sure I am 100 percent there, or even 20 percent there, but that is the hand the public is dealt. Someone possibly sitting in the room, who might be stirred by the movie The Shack (to be fair, I have a hunch that the mention of the Shack was more for the families), and has been helped by either misguiding the information or benefitted from misguidance of the investigation.

 

[sleuther28]

I have gone everywhere on this for the last two years...serial killer, truck driver, local, not local, transient, homeless, meth addict, etc everything. But the fact that no one has ratted this guy out yet, from fear or allegiance, makes me think he lives on the edges of society, dabbles frequently in minor to major criminal activity, and his friends are of the same ilk. The only thing that I don’t understand in this scenario is it seems like the police should kinda for sure know who this is. Maybe they do.

I agree. This reminds me of the Holly Bobo case. Local thugs did it, everyone knew they did it, yet no one would rat them out because they were all junkies/criminals.

 

[Imvp2]

Still, something doesn’t sit right with me about the newly released sketch of BG that was sketched so close to the time of the crime but not released until this year. The new sketch shows BG is younger looking, with a long jaw, and a head full of hair.

... about the investigators being betrayed is frustrating. Why did that happen? Who mislead them?

Thanks to all who have hung in here.

Good questions. MOO answers will lead them to the suspect. MOO LE knows who it is and thought so early on but were "tipped" away from them

 

[Imvp2]

Maybe going in the other direction was, let's say, uncomfortable for some reason or other? Perhaps even cognitive disonnance? Don't want to believe what's right before your eyes? Or someone doesn't want you to believe what's right before your eyes? DC said in his interview with Wish, that they may have been onto something early on. Wonder what that was and why they didn't pursue that trail? MOO

MOO I'm sure it's difficult to delineate tips that were fact from gossip, rumor, heresay and innuendo

 

[IQuestion]

Years ago a friend asked to stop at a farm. The owner (also a teacher) was in her early 40's and had her 3 year old male child (with obvious physical delays) playing on the patio. A "farmworker" (Nothern Baltic/Slavic build/look) was close by and lingered for a VERY LONG TIME with pointless activity. Too close and too long, IYKWIM...something not right. Interestingly, the "farmworker and the little boy had similar, VERY similar...head shape, brachycephalic, ears, eyes etc." Weeks later a "most wanted picture" was published in a newspaper....and it looked exactly like the "farmworker." Yep, it was the same guy. (Name was wrong and age off by 16 years!) He was the owner's BF, father of the 3 year old....and able to hide out for years, waiting for statute of limitations to run its course on his crimes...... never had to "apply, register, or pay" for anything! No phones, vehicles, power, income taxes, bank accounts etc. She paid for everything.
Ugh, so theory #27 "Hide in plain sight" could mean, someone who lives with another person who provides for all their housing & financial needs...elderly, family loyalty, symbiotic work situation, or fear of being alone.
Must be a least 50 or more "small rural settings", .....any thoughts?

 

[steeltowngirl]

What if the person responsible for the murders is not the one who actually committed the murders? Certainly adds some complication to the investigation? JMO

ETA: not absolving the monster that did it, at all. It's a dark world they come from and I think that's why nobody that knows anything is talking face to face with LE. MOO

Could you elaborate? When I try to think of a scenario where the person responsible for the murders didn’t actually commit them, my mind goes to a hit, or a coverup of an accidental death.

 

[Jabarn]

Could you elaborate? When I try to think of a scenario where the person responsible for the murders didn’t actually commit them, my mind goes to a hit, or a coverup of an accidental death.

I don’t know if I help at all, but I will say there was nothing accidental about the murders of Abby and Libby. It was a targeted and purposeful crime. If anything, what’s missing in understanding, is if he (BG) was hunting anyone who crossed his path, or if he had selected them based on prior knowledge of them and where they would be that day. If the latter, you would think we wouldn’t still be here trying to sort it out (but you never know). Night all. Hope to wake up there is in an important presser coming soon.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I will take a stab at answering this since I am one of those people who believes that LE has a suspect and that they are building an airtight case.

Now...my disclaimer is that I don't have a resume to speak of when it comes to having family members in LE nor do I write about true crime, so my amateur opinion is all I've got. Everything below is JMO and the good old 'scroll and roll' is an option.

I get that LE gathers the evidence and the DA presents it. In this case, I believe that there is a very, very tight collabrative effort taking place with LE, FBI and DA along with newly returned Ives.

They are looking at every tip, assessing it to see if it matches their perp and are waiting for maybe just one more piece of 'hard' evidence to make the arrest.

I think that they have this guy under surveillance and are watching his every move and making him afraid to strike again because of some of the things they have said.

Directly to the killer who may be in this room,"We believe you are hiding in plain sight."

One of the reasons why LE would state that's the perp is hiding in plain sight is if they know who it is.

What if LE is holding off on an arrest because the perp is someone with a great deal of money and power and they need to ensure that they have their evidence locked down airtight to avoid any chance for this person to go free?

"I'm going to ask for your continued support, your continued understanding, your empathy and compassion as we move forward to find out who did this and we will."

I may sound like I am completely off my rocker but my suggestion is what if the perp was 'prominent' in the State?

That would make a person 'afraid to come forward' to debunk an alibi if they suspect the killer and are scared of repercussions from someone who was highly regarded as well as wealthy. Maybe those closest to him depend on him for their livelihood?
It would also require the community's support and understanding if this perp has a reach far and wide, would it not?

Never in my career have I stood in front of something like this. Please be patient with us. Please. We're just beginning. We are we are just now beginning.

Sickos, rapists and muderers come in all shapes and forms. Doctors, priests, teachers, althletes and movie stars. We have seen the headlines time and time again about people in high places committing some horrendous acts, and those around them are completely shocked about what they've done when they hear about it.

Someone being prominent doesn't make them immune from committing horrible and despicable acts but it can certainly restrict LE from moving forward quickly on an arrest if there is a key piece of evidence missing, for example a solid piece of (DNA) or finding a person who is not afraid to say that the perp lied about where he was that day.

We know that this is about power to you and you want to know what we know. And one day you will.

I think that there are many, many discussions going on right now between LE and the DA'(s) and what it's going to take for them to make an arrest. I believe at the end of the day, when it comes time to try this case, a change of venue is most certainly going to be necessary.

Thinking out loud and JMO and my apologies for the long-winded post and rambling.

Terrific post! I would add:
"We also believe this person is from Delphi--currently or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis or works here."

IMO, they must know this from either BG’s manner of speaking, what he actually said, or from a tip. They have a very good idea who this is.

“We’ll be able to tell you one day what we know and why we didn’t release it. We don’t want to show our hand. We don’t want to show the complete picture of what we know versus what we think.”

They KNOW something, and I suspect they know ALOT.

Tick tock, BG. They ARE coming for you.

 

[acutename]

Maybe going in the other direction was, let's say, uncomfortable for some reason or other? Perhaps even cognitive disonnance? Don't want to believe what's right before your eyes? Or someone doesn't want you to believe what's right before your eyes? DC said in his interview with Wish, that they may have been onto something early on. Wonder what that was and why they didn't pursue that trail? MOO

Remember not too long after the release of the new sketch, the Sheriff had to publicly request that people NOT post side by side pictures of people that they thought looked like the killer:

Delphi murders: Sheriff pleads, stop posting side-by-side photos of suspects and new sketch

I understood why he had to do this, but after the release of the second sketch, it was sort of exactly what people would be likely to do. I looked at some random photos of people from Delphi on line, and I thought that a fair number of them resembled the sketch! You would think that the sketch along with the video would really narrow down the number of suspects, but the difference between resemblance and actual identity is still a big difference.

 

[Imvp2]

Maybe going in the other direction was, let's say, uncomfortable for some reason or other? Perhaps even cognitive disonnance? Don't want to believe what's right before your eyes? Or someone doesn't want you to believe what's right before your eyes? DC said in his interview with Wish, that they may have been onto something early on. Wonder what that was and why they didn't pursue that trail? MOO

MOO LE was likely convinced by someone that there was no valid concern regarding the person

 

[Krwiley60]

We've been told about the big ones. Former punter for the Colts is one.

And Jim Irsay, owner of the Colts.

 

[mtnlites]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed>

Much like the OG sketch, it seems that half the men in Indiana within that age group resemble the sketch. My ex from Logansport is a dead ringer for the new sketch. I don't think he did it, though, since my ex died 8 years ago...

 

[IQuestion]

Much like the OG sketch, it seems that half the men in Indiana within that age group resemble the sketch. My ex from Logansport is a dead ringer for the new sketch. I don't think he did it, though, since my ex died 8 years ago...

MTNLITES.... That post hit me out of the blue. You just made me laugh out loud!!
I agree, kindness and generosity in donating to a worthy cause should never be considered suspicious.

 

[acutename]

Much like the OG sketch, it seems that half the men in Indiana within that age group resemble the sketch. My ex from Logansport is a dead ringer for the new sketch. I don't think he did it, though, since my ex died 8 years ago...

how about some one from Delphi's unacknowledged out-of-wedlock child who grew up as an "outsider" and resented A& L being happy and "insiders" in Delphi? this way the people most likely to know who the person really is are least likely to want to talk about him for any reason. (sounds like a soap opera, I know)

 

[BNA]

MTNLITES.... That post hit me out of the blue. You just made me laugh out loud!!
I agree, kindness and generosity in donating to a worthy cause should never be considered suspicious.

Nevertheless....

 

[StarryStarryNight]

If, as some surmise, LE knows who did this, and they have a bit of evidence and are just waiting for just a little bit more, why don’t they haul his rear in, in front of the cameras, question him properly, hold him a couple days. Forget this playing games at press conferences, make him sweat, rattle his cage, put him under open surveillance. Maybe he’ll crack. If LE knows who it is, why not.
The fact that they haven’t done this is one reason I doubt they know who it is.

 

[Boxer]

It seems like at the beginning the police
were sure they would get the suspect recognized. But that has not panned out.

Identity match.
-Voice/Sketch/Video of a step
-Mannerisms - walks and works quickly,
-Possible DNA
-A couple of witnesses
-Unknown possible physical evidence

Finding the events leading up to how crime got into these girls lives.
-Social media
-Personal connection
-Random chance killer