Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #106

[kkdj]

To me "responsible for" could mean organised it, not actually did it. Have LE actually stated BG murdered the girls himself?

I think they did say he was the killer.
I think they know very much more than we do......because Libby recorded it. What a smart girl!
But I also think she recorded it because she knew they were in trouble and couldn't get out of it. This really bothers me thinking about their last moments, them knowing it was going to be.

 

[Cutiekitty]

Cutiekitty responded but if I find any other examples I'll pull them up. I was quoting from memory so I put MOO on it. It was close to what they said I.e. they think they were onto something early on. They won't know for sure, I guess till they get the bustard.

I am cray cray today! I thought kkdj was responding to my quote. Sorry about that!

 

[tresir2012]

I think they did say he was the killer.
I think they know very much more than we do......because Libby recorded it. What a smart girl!
But I also think she recorded it because she knew they were in trouble and couldn't get out of it. This really bothers me thinking about their last moments, them knowing it was going to be.

Well we know nothing really as they have kept the details all close to the chest/vest. Could you show where they have actually said he killed them? Rather than "just before criminal activity began" or "responsible" for the deaths or similar non committal terms. Just being pedantic but this only occurred to me as we are discussing an accomplice and what an accomplice may have done/not done etc.

 

[laces]

Definitely. So humour aside, there is possibly something in what @ScumbagTrav says - can someone else watch though please?

To me it just looks like he is holding onto his gun.

 

[BradB]

I dont know if they knew they were going to die. She knew something was off which is why she started to record but he probably took them by surprise when he pulled out whatever he pulled out.

If he is local, I would have expected him to maneuver the bridge better.

 

[kkdj]

Well we know nothing really as they have kept the details all close to the chest/vest. Could you show where they have actually said he killed them? Rather than "just before criminal activity began" or "responsible" for the deaths or similar non committal terms. Just being pedantic but this only occurred to me as we are discussing an accomplice and what an accomplice may have done/not done etc.

Probably look in the media thread.
I'm also pretty certain it was said he acted alone.
But check that thread to get verification.

 

[tresir2012]

I think the officer is referring to a totality of circumstances:

- The murderer apparently knew of short cut trail in and out of the park that cut across private property and might of been comfortable moving overland through private property by skirting along the edges of farm fields etc., or using by little known rural alleys in the area. Thus, he moves around quickly with needing the more visible roads

- The perpetrator is probably local, but does not have any mannerisms, mode of dress, or a physical look, that would set him apart from everybody else. Thus, he "hides in plain sight".

The perpetrators abilities remind me of my youth (non criminal of course). My friends and I could "move around quickly" meaning we knew which creeks had trails along side them, which short cut trails allowed travel between groves of woods, knew about lesser known connecting alleys, and knew which trails led to holes in what fences. Likewise, we "hid in plain sight" meaning that our dress, mannerisms, bikes, matched that of local kids.

Neither me nor my friends had extraordinary physical abilities, nor did we move around say, ninja like to avoid being seen. Rather, we just had knowledge of local stuff that while not secret, was not well known and when we were seen, we fit in. Thus, we could "pop in / out of" places fast and/ or un- noticed. It is the same with the perpetrator.

Yet Carter has said someone will recognise his mannerisms, his gait, his stance etc so do many people have the same mannerisms - if so it is going to be especially difficult to be able to spot him if they are everyman mannerisms - hands in pockets, looking down, striding across gaps. Look at the searchers on the bridge photo and they have a really similar stance and step- their builds and heights appear to vary but most people cross the bridge in a similar manner. Someone crossing with hands in pockets looks confident on the bridge to me.

 

[tresir2012]

Probably look in the media thread.
I'm also pretty certain it was said he acted alone.
But check that thread to get verification.

Ok. Goes off to look for 5 hours.
No couldn't find it.

 

[Cutiekitty]

To me "responsible for" could mean organised it, not actually did it. Have LE actually stated BG murdered the girls himself?

BBM - I agree.

It’s implied, but no, I don’t see where they’ve said that. If NSG participated, but didn’t actually commit the murders he would be just as “responsible” as the one that actually did. He could be charged as an accessory or, depending on what all happened, felony murder.

Edit: typo

 

[BradB]

Tresir, that's part of the reason why I believe LE has absolutely nothing. The way they speak and act is not in a way that provides confidence or security.

Somebody knows this person.
He can be right here in this room.
Look at his posture and mannerisms.
Look at this sketch from when the investigation first took place.

This is vague and horrible language. Very poor in regards to murder.

All these have no substance along with his mannerisms and clothes. Do you have anything else other than the obvious which probably makes up more than half of Indiana.

 

[BradB]

But I dont know what you do when you cant get any credible tips surrounding a murder case that involves audio and video. I'm assuming there are none since it's been 28 months since this tragedy happened.

 

[Cutiekitty]

But I dont know what you do when you cant get any credible tips surrounding a murder case that involves audio and video. I'm assuming there are none since it's been 28 months since this tragedy happened.

But it’s been just shy of 2 months since the release of the new sketch. In the PC Carter says as a result of new information and intelligence over time LE believes the NBG is the person responsible for the murders. They got something before the PC.

The audio is helpful. The video, let’s be honest, really isn’t. It puts BG there and helps LE create a timeline, but it’s too blurry to independently determine who it actually is.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

I think they did say he was the killer.
I think they know very much more than we do......because Libby recorded it. What a smart girl!
But I also think she recorded it because she knew they were in trouble and couldn't get out of it. This really bothers me thinking about their last moments, them knowing it was going to be.

I know kk, I think about their last moments and it hurts.

 

[tresir2012]

To me it just looks like he is holding onto his gun.

So it doesn't go off and shoot him in the crown jewels perhaps IMO.

Oh how I wish it had.

 

[scaredtopost]

While watching the Oxygen special on Rebecca Zahau, I learned each person's voice is as unique as a fingerprint. On last night's episode, they had an expert analyst deciphering the 911 call. Just made me wonder if investigators in this case have tried matching the recorded audio to any suspects.
JMO, MOO, etc

 

[tresir2012]

Tresir, that's part of the reason why I believe LE has absolutely nothing. The way they speak and act is not in a way that provides confidence or security.

Somebody knows this person.
He can be right here in this room.
Look at his posture and mannerisms.
Look at this sketch from when the investigation first took place.

This is vague and horrible language. Very poor in regards to murder.

All these have no substance along with his mannerisms and clothes. Do you have anything else other than the obvious which probably makes up more than half of Indiana.

But I dont know what you do when you cant get any credible tips surrounding a murder case that involves audio and video. I'm assuming there are none since it's been 28 months since this tragedy happened.

ITA. Now they need to tell us what they know. Why was the vehicle significant, why did the sketch change, when was the time of death, was there a sexual assault, should Delphi still be worried he could strike again, can LE do a Parabon sketch from DNA? Lots more they could give out. Very strange IMO.

 

[BradB]

I assume he had a gun too. I know Abby and Libby were young but they werent like 7 and 8. Libby had some meat on her bones and I would imagine she would put up a battle against somebody with just a knife or blade. Also one of them or both would have ran to get help if there was just a knife. A gun makes them both pause and hesitate.

Guy is a piece of . A loner most likely. No responsibilities. Not a family or big one at that. No real friends or life most likely.

 

[EmmaRose]

How well did BG know the area? Well enough to know who lived in the area too? In the beginning, it struck me how similar to RL the BG dressed. Maybe just a coincidence, but knowing the girls were found on his land, do you suppose the perpetrator was trying to frame RL? Just throwing random thoughts out there....

 

[ilovechili]

ilovechili, JMHO the investigative teams that are cooperating on this case just chose the ISP for the speaking/press release/front job.

Might have been recommended by the FBI?

With the mention of "betrayal," there may be a reason we learn later!

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This may be a difficult day for the Dads & Grandpas of these two roses....

I don’t know if it’s typical, but this case is being investigated by a Multi-Agency Task Force. One of the lead investigators is Jerry Holeman of the ISP. The state would likely prosecute the case, unless a circumstance we are yet unaware of would take it to the federal level. The FBI was brought in almost immediately after the murders. The killer is on the FBI Most Wanted list.

*Edit to correct that Holeman is one of the lead investigators
Delphi homicide case manager graduates from FBI National Academy

There are no dumb questions. Especially if it keeps coming back to you. The tiny bits and pieces, the meticulous sorting out of thoughts - that is how the killer gets caught. I've been wondering about seasonal or contract workers. A worker who keeps coming back, but perhaps does not live right there all year round. That would be another reason to get the pics and word out. I only recently heard of this case. All of our conjecture could be just keeping our brains on fire, though, if they have someone, or a few someones on radar, just looking for that one tip. I am also thinking that Bridge Creep is possibly a member of this, and other crime sites, like Reddit, etc. so that he can follow whatever information is being shared. That is what I would do, if I was a Bridge Creep. It would be an easy way to follow the case.

Thank you all for these responses and to anyone's I may have missed--I have not caught up yet.

So one additional question on that, has the ISP taken the lead from the start as to talking to the public, the PCs, etc. or is it something that evolved over time?

I see nothing wrong with it and in fact it may be a wise move to use their resources and let them handle that part of things. Just curious.

Thanks again.

 

[insearchoflight]

Well we know nothing really as they have kept the details all close to the chest/vest. Could you show where they have actually said he killed them? Rather than "just before criminal activity began" or "responsible" for the deaths or similar non committal terms. Just being pedantic but this only occurred to me as we are discussing an accomplice and what an accomplice may have done/not done etc.

From the press conference transcript and BBM:

The result of the new information and intelligence over time leads us to believe the sketch, which you will see shortly, IS the person responsible for the murders of these two little girls. We also believe this person is from Delphi- currently, or has previously lived here, visits Delphi on a regular basis, or works here. We believe this person is currently between the age range of 18 and 40, but might appear younger than his true age. [Speaking] Directly to the Killer, who may be in this room: We believe you were hiding in plain sight. For more than 2 years, you never thought we would shift gears to a different investigative strategy. But we have. Will you likely have interviewed you or someone close to you. We know this is about power to you, and you want to know what we know. And one day, you will. A question to you: What will those closest to you think of you when they find out that you brutally murdered two little girls?

DELPHI PRESS CONFERENCE TRANSCRIPT (2019) - CrimeLights