Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #106

[Jethro4WS]

I’m not second guessing their decisions. There has just been a lot of talk about how they were cornered and based on Jethro post they weren’t necessarily. There wasn’t a wall at the end of the bridge just a gate.

It wasn't even a gate. That metal barrier is just like the one at the north end of the bridge. They are meant to keep someone from trying to drive a large vehicle over the bridge. But a person could walk around them easily.

The most important thing about the second picture is that the sign says beware or dog. It is quite possible that the closest house to the bridge (not the one at the end of the road) has a guard dog or at least a dog that would be trouble but it could also be a sign that is a bluff and there is no dog.

 

[tresir2012]

I know you weren't. I was under the impression they were cornered, too. But I think you're right, it was physiological. That, and maybe they didn't know what was beyond that gate. They were scared and didn't want to get lost besides. The poor things.

Also we recently have heard that Libby said "The trail ends here" which indicates to me she knew it was private from that point on. As Abby lived only about a mile down the road under that end of the bridge, they had plenty of options, but I think he took them by surprise or showed them a badge or tricked them in some way. MOO.

 

[MistyWaters]

Also we recently have heard that Libby said "The trail ends here" which indicates to me she knew it was private from that point on. As Abby lived only about a mile down the road under that end of the bridge, they had plenty of options, but I think he took them by surprise or showed them a badge or tricked them in some way. MOO.

Was it the word “trail” that was used? Reading here iirc “path” was mentioned. Not sure anyone would refer to a bridge as a path though.

ETA - I believe the bridge wasn’t a part of the official trail. Therefore the trail (path) the girls walked along after getting dropped off ended at the bridge?

 

[MistyWaters]

Does anyone remember LE saying what's been being said on sm is just wrong? I can't find it, but I remember it.

This might be what you’re thinking of -

Why Police Have Not Released Details on the Murders of Libby German and Abby Williams from Delphi, Indiana
Rumors and Speculation Around the Delphi Murder Case
Of course, the lack of confirmed details about the circumstances of the girls’ murders has only fueled more obsessive speculation from crime-watchers on sites like Reddit, where users on at least one Delphi-dedicated board with 8,400 subscribers regularly share their theories, speculations and suspicions.

“There’s a lot of false information out there,” Holeman confirms. “Social media, although not new… does impede our investigation. Like when people put up side-by-side photos of innocent people—or, at least, people with no ties to the state of Indiana or Delphi—which creates false [information]. People believe it [though] because it’s on the internet.”

And armchair detectives are even taking their interest in the case a step further by creating YouTube reenactments of the crime.

“[The videos] help us know that people don’t know [the true details], because the facts haven’t been released,” Holeman says. “People watch the news and think they are picking up on things, but it’s false. Nothing out there is accurate, which only leads to more false tips.”

 

[kkdj]

This might be what you’re thinking of -

Why Police Have Not Released Details on the Murders of Libby German and Abby Williams from Delphi, Indiana
Rumors and Speculation Around the Delphi Murder Case
Of course, the lack of confirmed details about the circumstances of the girls’ murders has only fueled more obsessive speculation from crime-watchers on sites like Reddit, where users on at least one Delphi-dedicated board with 8,400 subscribers regularly share their theories, speculations and suspicions.

“There’s a lot of false information out there,” Holeman confirms. “Social media, although not new… does impede our investigation. Like when people put up side-by-side photos of innocent people—or, at least, people with no ties to the state of Indiana or Delphi—which creates false [information]. People believe it [though] because it’s on the internet.”

And armchair detectives are even taking their interest in the case a step further by creating YouTube reenactments of the crime.

“[The videos] help us know that people don’t know [the true details], because the facts haven’t been released,” Holeman says. “People watch the news and think they are picking up on things, but it’s false. Nothing out there is accurate, which only leads to more false tips.”

BBM at the end of the article.
Yes. Thank you.

 

[MJPeony]

I know you weren't. I was under the impression they were cornered, too. But I think you're right, it was physiological. That, and maybe they didn't know what was beyond that gate. They were scared and didn't want to get lost besides. The poor things.

IMO he had a gun. Wouldn’t have mattered even if there was a house in sight with a sign saying “Come on in!” and 3 clearly marked trails leading there. A guy with a gun at your back in an area with trees and some amount of cover can make people silent and totally compliant. JMO.

 

[TL4S]

IMO he had a gun. Wouldn’t have mattered even if there was a house in sight with a sign saying “Come on in!” and 3 clearly marked trails leading there. A guy with a gun at your back in an area with trees and some amount of cover can make people silent and totally compliant. JMO.

I agree, but there were some reports that the girls were talking about him as he approached on the bridge, like maybe he made them nervous. This is the point at which they didn't know where to go. Clearly they didn't want to walk past him on the bridge.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

MOO! I do not believe the young women were cornered by an unknown man. I believe they had a secret when asked to be dropped off there by their mom. That secret may have been meeting up with someone they knew, but did not want their mother to know. This could have bee someone one or both of them liked and wanted to meet up with secretly. This may be why they were talking about him as he was walking up to them. They stopped at the end to actually meet up with him.
When he told them "down the Hill" it was not an ominous threat just a guy letting them know where they could continue their time together.
Think about it ! How could this be a random meeting with a murderer, He would have to be VERY lucky that a random walk in the woods would immediately offer up the opportunity for him to use the weapons he brought. I think LE should look closer to the young women's social friend for some secrets they may have shared. ...Again JMO!

 

[TL4S]

This might be what you’re thinking of -

Why Police Have Not Released Details on the Murders of Libby German and Abby Williams from Delphi, Indiana
Rumors and Speculation Around the Delphi Murder Case
Of course, the lack of confirmed details about the circumstances of the girls’ murders has only fueled more obsessive speculation from crime-watchers on sites like Reddit, where users on at least one Delphi-dedicated board with 8,400 subscribers regularly share their theories, speculations and suspicions.

“There’s a lot of false information out there,” Holeman confirms. “Social media, although not new… does impede our investigation. Like when people put up side-by-side photos of innocent people—or, at least, people with no ties to the state of Indiana or Delphi—which creates false [information]. People believe it [though] because it’s on the internet.”

And armchair detectives are even taking their interest in the case a step further by creating YouTube reenactments of the crime.

“[The videos] help us know that people don’t know [the true details], because the facts haven’t been released,” Holeman says. “People watch the news and think they are picking up on things, but it’s false. Nothing out there is accurate, which only leads to more false tips.”

It really does make me stop and wonder. If all the online theories are legitimately incorrect, there must be very few facts released.

 

[SeattleStew]

Thursday CRIME Stories: LIVE FROM CRIME CON: 2 girls murdered at local Delphi bridge, families search for answers

Just saw this online, posted yesterday, haven't listened yet. It was recorded at CrimeCon in New Orleans, and features Mike Patty and Eric Erskin. Trigger warning: Nancy Grace speaking on it.

 

[SeattleStew]

Also, Kelsi German has made some pointed remarks on her twitter account the last couple days Worth reading.

 

[MistyWaters]

It really does make me stop and wonder. If all the online theories are legitimately incorrect, there must be very few facts released.

It makes me wonder too. That Libby was able to capture the suspect on the bridge via video, photo and audio also released is the only “fact” released by LE.

Then we learned through the media via RL the bodies were found on his land. From that virtually all theories have sprung involving the suspect ordering the girls DTH towards Deer Creek. If the non-factual information was a result of “the news” something about that is what I would guess is not accurate. That’s why I’m beginning to question which side of the river the bodies were found and if RL only assumed the location was on his land but it was actually on the end of bridge side.

I notice RL talks as if only his property and the cemetery was of significance. But that can’t quite be true because the property at the end of the bridge was owned by another person. We know from the arial video police and forensic vehicles were parked at the cemetery but so were they grouped at other access points as well.

Although I’ve never believed RL was involved in the crime, he certainly appeared to relish the media attention.

“There were hundreds of cars and vehicles and generator trucks that keep the lights going. They had the whole woods lit up like a football field,” Logan said.

Officials searched every inch of Logan’s 40 acres and the woods behind the nearby Morning Heights Cemetery which is just across the stream from the Monon High Bridge, the last spot the girls were seen...”
Delphi man shows CBS 4 the crime scene where searcher made the discovery of two missing teens’ bodies

 

[tresir2012]

It makes me wonder too. That Libby was able to capture the suspect on the bridge via video, photo and audio also released is the only “fact” released by LE.

Then we learned through the media via RL the bodies were found on his land. From that virtually all theories have sprung involving the suspect ordering the girls DTH towards Deer Creek. If the non-factual information was a result of “the news” something about that is what I would guess is not accurate. That’s why I’m beginning to question which side of the river the bodies were found and if RL only assumed the location was on his land but it was actually on the end of bridge side.

I notice RL talks as if only his property and the cemetery was of significance. But that can’t quite be true because the property at the end of the bridge was owned by another person. We know from the arial video police and forensic vehicles were parked at the cemetery but so were they grouped at other access points as well.

Although I’ve never believed RL was involved in the crime, he certainly appeared to relish the media attention.

“There were hundreds of cars and vehicles and generator trucks that keep the lights going. They had the whole woods lit up like a football field,” Logan said.

Officials searched every inch of Logan’s 40 acres and the woods behind the nearby Morning Heights Cemetery which is just across the stream from the Monon High Bridge, the last spot the girls were seen...”
Delphi man shows CBS 4 the crime scene where searcher made the discovery of two missing teens’ bodies

Perhaps the searchers who discovered the bodies told RL exactly where they found them? LE would also have notified him what was happening as he would have had to keep his animals out of the way during the searches and crime scene forensics IMO.

Also the helicopter video shows little activity on the South side except for some vehicles parked there. (The helicopter scans the Creek side properties and the whole area several times.)

I know for some time there was speculation about a building, but nothing was ever substantiated regarding that and I see nothing to indicate a South Bank crime scene. MOO

Anyone who wishes to confirm where the girls were found can access the Scanner thread on page 1 of the thread.

 

[Jax49]

Perhaps the searchers who discovered the bodies told RL exactly where they found them.

It was a neighbor/friend of RL's wasn't it? moo

 

[Peppery]

Perhaps the searchers who discovered the bodies told RL exactly where they found them.

The crime scene tape wasn’t removed right away, there’s many MSM photos of it in the days following the murder. The location of the bodies is not a secret.

 

[Jax49]

The crime scene tape wasn’t removed right away, there’s many MSM photos of it in the days following the murder. The location of the bodies is not a secret.

Absolutely true. We know within a few feet just based on where the families laid flowers. moo

 

[amymarie]

MOO! I do not believe the young women were cornered by an unknown man. I believe they had a secret when asked to be dropped off there by their mom. That secret may have been meeting up with someone they knew, but did not want their mother to know. This could have bee someone one or both of them liked and wanted to meet up with secretly. This may be why they were talking about him as he was walking up to them. They stopped at the end to actually meet up with him.
When he told them "down the Hill" it was not an ominous threat just a guy letting them know where they could continue their time together.
Think about it ! How could this be a random meeting with a murderer, He would have to be VERY lucky that a random walk in the woods would immediately offer up the opportunity for him to use the weapons he brought. I think LE should look closer to the young women's social friend for some secrets they may have shared. ...Again JMO!

I completely disagree with this. I’m sure police have looked through all of their phone records and social media and would have discovered if they were headed to a secret rendezvous.

He could have been coming to this bridge on a regular basis, just waiting for the perfect opportunity to kill someone. Abby and Libby just happened to be there at the wrong time, IMO.

 

[tresir2012]

ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation

From the link:

"On Monday, February 13th, at approximately 1:00 p.m., the two young girls were let off near the Monon High Bridge, an abandoned rail bridge over Deer Creek to walk around and hang out. They were to be picked up later in the afternoon, but did not show up there at the previously arranged time. Following an extensive search, at approximately 12:15 p.m. on February 14, 2017, the bodies of the two girls were found in a wooded area near the Delphi Historic Trail, approximately one-half mile upstream from the bridge."

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Absolutely true. We know within a few feet just based on where the families laid flowers. moo

Flowers were laid also in a shed/barn and until today nobody wants to confirm, that the shed/barn/(shack even) is one of the crime scenes, afaik.

 

[MistyWaters]

Perhaps the searchers who discovered the bodies told RL exactly where they found them.

Typically volunteer searchers are cautioned by LE not to reveal any specific information regarding a murder scene because it jeopardizes their investigation. If RL knew any details about the body discoveries I think in his exalted state of all-knowing, he’d have told the media about that too. Everything that RL spoke about suggests he drew his own conclusions and from that added a tad of embellishment...ie that LE searched every “inch” of his 40 acres.

That he lied to to LE about his whereabouts that day certainly doesn’t implicate him in the murders but I think it does reflect against his character and level of credibility somewhat.