Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #107

[max99]

I do not unless there is a reason to make note of a certain time and I know that I need to know ahead of time. I especially do not when browsing SM and I’m not nearly as prolific on SM as LG.

I do all the time because all of my clocks, cell-ovens-alarm-car , are digital not analog. I am guilty of responding to people when asked about time to round up so as not to appear "weird". From this day forth I'm going digital in my responses.

I have participated in many forums and a common problem observed is people analyze things based on what they think their response would be versus what someone was reported as doing. Not trying to be antagonistic but think sometimes things get bogged down with little things that don't have a whole lot to do with the big picture. 2:07 is 2:07 on a digital clock.

 

[Cutiekitty]

Are you saying prior communication? Because I have been guessing prior communication.

She put her SC user name out on other SM platforms so it wouldn’t have been all that hard to find her. The only communication needed is for a request to be added sent and that request accepted. Then you can just stalk via story posts and no further communication needed. SC can be kind of creepy if you aren’t careful.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I do all the time because all of my clocks, cell-ovens-alarm-car , are digital not analog. I am guilty of responding to people when asked about time to round up so as not to appear "weird". From this day forth I'm going digital in my responses.

I have participated in many forums and a common problem observed is people analyze things based on what they think their response would be versus what someone was reported as doing. Not trying to be antagonistic but think sometimes things get bogged down with little things that don't have a whole lot to do with the big picture. 2:07 is 2:07 on a digital clock.

The time actually could be significant to the big picture in this case. Establishing a timeline of events is important in determining what happened and, as Jabarn pointed out, knowing the actual post time could invalidate an alibi.

 

[max99]

The time actually could be significant to the big picture in this case. Establishing a timeline of events is important in determining what happened and, as Jabarn pointed out, knowing the actual post time could invalidate an alibi.

I believe the police have the actual timeline...that's why I don't understand the questioning of Anna Williams response to the timeline. She saw what she saw.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I’m sure LE does have it.

I wasn’t questioning Anna. I don’t even know what you are referring to.

I am questioning the time because there is a lot of info out there about this case (for example the creepy guy comment) which isn’t actually factual, yet it’s taken as fact. I also get how SC works and when I saw the 2:07 time stated on the FB post, but the SC time stamp says 7 hours ago I have to wonder if the time is accurate. Where did 2:07 come from?

 

[Falling Down]

I’m sure LE does have it.

I wasn’t questioning Anna. I don’t even know what you are referring to.

I am questioning the time because there is a lot of info out there about this case (for example the creepy guy comment) which isn’t actually factual, yet it’s taken as fact. I also get how SC works and when I saw the 2:07 time stated on the FB post, but the SC time stamp says 7 hours ago I have to wonder if the time is accurate. Where did 2:07 come from?

DELPHI TIMELINE: The search for Libby & Abby's killer

2:07 p.m.
Libby posted a photo on her Snapchat account showing Abby walking across the old railroad bridge.
This was the last time anyone heard from the girls.

 

[insearchoflight]

Another article stating the 2:07 time

“2:07pm: German posts final Snapchat images of Williams walking along the disused railroad bridge.”
Grandfather of one of murdered Indiana teens speaks out | Daily Mail Online

I think it’s pretty safe to believe the 2:07pm time, at the very least I am comfortable saying for sure it is “around 2:00pm”.

Numerous articles and early thread posts reference the 2:07 time.

So the girls arrive around 1:00pm, post to SC around 2:00pm where shortly after a suspect who appears to be a white male with facial hair wearing blue jeans, a blue jacket, and a brown hoodie approached them and murdered them.

I hope the DNA evidence they collected was of the suspect because then he will be caught eventually. I can’t imagine no suspect DNA being found, but I’ve heard it before.

 

[Imvp2]

I’m sure LE does have it.

I wasn’t questioning Anna. I don’t even know what you are referring to.

I am questioning the time because there is a lot of info out there about this case (for example the creepy guy comment) which isn’t actually factual, yet it’s taken as fact. I also get how SC works and when I saw the 2:07 time stated on the FB post, but the SC time stamp says 7 hours ago I have to wonder if the time is accurate. Where did 2:07 come from?

MOO KG may have been using her phone, at her boyfriend's house, looking at posts, etc, and the notification of LG 's snap came in on her phone. The time would be right in front of her face on the notification

 

[Cutiekitty]

DELPHI TIMELINE: The search for Libby & Abby's killer

2:07 p.m.
Libby posted a photo on her Snapchat account showing Abby walking across the old railroad bridge.
This was the last time anyone heard from the girls.

That article also says they were dropped off at 1:30. I’ve seen the drop off at 1:00 (media), 1:38 (KG in I believe in the Renner interview could’ve been infamous Indy), and 1:45 (GH). This is exactly why I question some things that have been reported as fact.

 

[JudgeJudi]

That article also says they were dropped off at 1:30. I’ve seen the drop off at 1:00 (media), 1:38 (KG in I believe in the Renner interview could’ve been infamous Indy), and 1:45 (GH). This is exactly why I question some things that have been reported as fact.

Becky told Gray Hughes in her interview with him:

"So they left here right around – give or take a couple of minutes – they left here right around 1:30. What I do know is Kelsi had said that she was talking on the phone to her boyfriend when she dropped them off, and I looked at phone records and it shows that she called or the call came in from her boyfriend at 1:38. So she was talking to her boyfriend at 1:38 when she dropped them off."

 

[tresir2012]

Thank you!

The 2:07 time was posted on FB I believe before the girls were found. I think it was posted on the evening of the 13th. The only way anyone could get the exact post time at that time is from Snapchat, if they were there when it was posted to SC (I do not think the FB poster was there), if they happened to note the exact time when posted, or screen shotted the post as it was posted.

What makes you say that about the time? That transcript clearly has LE saying they did not have a time for that photo. I think once LE located and analysed the phone they had the time. I just cannot find the first mention of it. Have you a link for the first mention of the time on Facebook on the 13th? I would be interested in knowing about that.

 

[tresir2012]

Another article stating the 2:07 time

“2:07pm: German posts final Snapchat images of Williams walking along the disused railroad bridge.”
Grandfather of one of murdered Indiana teens speaks out | Daily Mail Online

I think it’s pretty safe to believe the 2:07pm time, at the very least I am comfortable saying for sure it is “around 2:00pm”.

Numerous articles and early thread posts reference the 2:07 time.

So the girls arrive around 1:00pm, post to SC around 2:00pm where shortly after a suspect who appears to be a white male with facial hair wearing blue jeans, a blue jacket, and a brown hoodie approached them and murdered them.

I hope the DNA evidence they collected was of the suspect because then he will be caught eventually. I can’t imagine no suspect DNA being found, but I’ve heard it before.

This example is incorrect about them arriving at 1 p.m. (it was 1.38 p.m. as we now know. ) If that can be off by 38 minutes and someone's alibi was checked for 1 p.m. when really their alibi should have been checked for 1.38 p.m. that can make a difference. Also, if the arrival time is out by 38 minutes maybe the 2.07 time is out too, that is the point. Some witnesses were at the bridge later and may have been discounted incorrectly due to some incorrect times. If the SC states 7 hours ago at 9.07 p.m. does that actually mean any time from 2.07pm to 3.06pm or from 1.08 to 2.07 pm? That is what I am unclear about. Also, could the 2.30 PM time for BG also be in question?
MOO

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

This example is incorrect about them arriving at 1 p.m. (it was 1.38 p.m. as we now know. ) If that can be off by 38 minutes and someone's alibi was checked for 1 p.m. when really their alibi should have been checked for 1.38 p.m. that can make a difference. Also, if the arrival time is out by 38 minutes maybe the 2.07 time is out too, that is the point. Some witnesses were at the bridge later and may have been discounted incorrectly due to some incorrect times. If the SC states 7 hours ago at 9.07 p.m. does that actually mean any time from 2.07pm to 3.06pm or from 1.08 to 2.07 pm? That is what I am unclear about. Also, could the 2.30 PM time for BG also be in question?
MOO

It's been an interesting topic of thought for a couple of days.

I guess if there IS any inaccuracy (and the examples above, along with the many examples throughout of different agencies and sources offering different (( often contradictory)) interpretations of fact management, it could even impact on someone being alibied as mentioned above, or even someone being understood to have been able to get around quickly.

Moo

 

[Falling Down]

This example is incorrect about them arriving at 1 p.m. (it was 1.38 p.m. as we now know. ) If that can be off by 38 minutes and someone's alibi was checked for 1 p.m. when really their alibi should have been checked for 1.38 p.m. that can make a difference. Also, if the arrival time is out by 38 minutes maybe the 2.07 time is out too, that is the point. Some witnesses were at the bridge later and may have been discounted incorrectly due to some incorrect times. If the SC states 7 hours ago at 9.07 p.m. does that actually mean any time from 2.07pm to 3.06pm or from 1.08 to 2.07 pm? That is what I am unclear about. Also, could the 2.30 PM time for BG also be in question?
MOO

My understanding of the "7 hrs ago" or however it looks on SC is a young searcher interviewed at the volunteer fire station in town was interviewed by a reporter some time after 9PM that evening. I can picture the exchange in my mind, however I think the link/video are gone from the internet.

The teen was showing the reporter the pics/screen grabs from Libby's SC account, as the searchers had used them as a reference to the girls' last known location. "7 hrs ago" would be how SC would give a general time frame of when the image was uploaded, so for example 9:07 would be 7 hours, then at 10:07 it would become 8 hours.

JMO

-FD

 

[Justice101]

Continuing to follow..... hoping for an arrest of the perpetrator(s)

 

[Cutiekitty]

This example is incorrect about them arriving at 1 p.m. (it was 1.38 p.m. as we now know. ) If that can be off by 38 minutes and someone's alibi was checked for 1 p.m. when really their alibi should have been checked for 1.38 p.m. that can make a difference. Also, if the arrival time is out by 38 minutes maybe the 2.07 time is out too, that is the point. Some witnesses were at the bridge later and may have been discounted incorrectly due to some incorrect times. If the SC states 7 hours ago at 9.07 p.m. does that actually mean any time from 2.07pm to 3.06pm or from 1.08 to 2.07 pm? That is what I am unclear about. Also, could the 2.30 PM time for BG also be in question?
MOO

If the person who made the post looked at the time at 9:07 and saw the 7 hours ago time stamp on the post then the SC post could’ve been made anytime between 1:06 and 2:07. sC time stamps do not break post time into hours and minutes just hours after 59 minutes. It would’ve had to have been before 2:07 not after.

I found the posters FB accounts, but can not find the original post. The only place I see it is in the media reposting of the original post, which was part of a timeline. The link is on here somewhere and I’ll try to find it.

I do believe the drop off time was at 1:38 based on KG and BP saying KG was on the phone with her BF and BP consulting the phone records. I also heard an interview by GH with BP where he states, and tries to get her to acknowledge, that the drop off was at 1:45.

 

[tresir2012]

My understanding of the "7 hrs ago" or however it looks on SC is a young searcher interviewed at the volunteer fire station in town was interviewed by a reporter some time after 9PM that evening. I can picture the exchange in my mind, however I think the link/video are gone from the internet.

The teen was showing the reporter the pics/screen grabs from Libby's SC account, as the searchers had used them as a reference to the girls' last known location. "7 hrs ago" would be how SC would give a general time frame of when the image was uploaded, so for example 9:07 would be 7 hours, then at 10:07 it would become 8 hours.

JMO

-FD

Yes but looking at SC at 9.07, 7 hours ago could actually be an actual time of anything between 0 and 59 minutes earlier than that eg it could have been 1.50 for example based on how it has been explained recently IIRC. The girls could have hurried and got to the bridge quickly for all we know. It would give them more time at the bridge, under it etc. Also someone who said they had left by 2 PM and hadn't seen the girls, would then be questionable. The timing accuracy is crucial IMO.

 

[tresir2012]

If the person who made the post looked at the time at 9:07 and saw the 7 hours ago time stamp on the post then the SC post could’ve been made anytime between 1:06 and 2:07. sC time stamps do not break post time into hours and minutes just hours after 59 minutes. It would’ve had to have been before 2:07 not after.

I found the posters FB accounts, but can not find the original post. The only place I see it is in the media reposting of the original post, which was part of a timeline. The link is on here somewhere and I’ll try to find it.

I do believe the drop off time was at 1:38 based on KG and BP saying KG was on the phone with her BF and BP consulting the phone records. I also heard an interview by GH with BP where he states, and tries to get her to acknowledge, that the drop off was at 1:45.

Agree, I just posted similar. But why was it mentioned as a drop off at 1 p.m. for so long. These timings are so important.

 

[tresir2012]

Police Hope These Haunting Final Snapchats Posted By 13-Year-Old Girls Contain Clues To Their Deaths

Just found this old news item that mentions the SC item.

 

[Jax49]

My understanding of the "7 hrs ago" or however it looks on SC is a young searcher interviewed at the volunteer fire station in town was interviewed by a reporter some time after 9PM that evening. I can picture the exchange in my mind, however I think the link/video are gone from the internet.

The teen was showing the reporter the pics/screen grabs from Libby's SC account, as the searchers had used them as a reference to the girls' last known location. "7 hrs ago" would be how SC would give a general time frame of when the image was uploaded, so for example 9:07 would be 7 hours, then at 10:07 it would become 8 hours.

JMO

-FD

bbm

I remember that interview also but can't find it either.