Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #109

[Torch Carrier]

Also what is that brown thing in front of his stomach? Is it a fanny pack or the bottom of a brown sweatshirt? There appears to be something white hanging in front of his chin like goggles or headphones or something? I know this has probably previously been discussed a lot so apologies!

If we only knew...

 

[FinePrint]

It looks like a blue pullover, over a brownish whatever, and he has one hand in the pocket of the brownish whatever. The left hand is doing IDK what.

Consider the possibility that he is holding up his pants that are @ a size too big....to keep them from falling to his knees.

Plus, I think he is drunk talking to himself.

I reject the notion that this is the exact beginning of the attack. I don't think that the attack began abruptly.

To me, it seems like the drunk BG is simply trying to get closer to the center of the bridge.

What I am saying is that I think he found his "courage" at the bottom of a bottle of vodka.

Yes, exactly! It looks like one of those windbreakers that you pull over, no buttons or zippers. The blue material has a sheen to it similar to a windbreaker.

 

[FinePrint]

If we only knew...

Yes we all go back and fourth...is it a fanny pack or shirt tail. I’m still saying fanny pack!

 

[FinePrint]

I hate analyzing the video because it's so hard to see, but...

I've always seen a windbreaker type jacket, too. And it might have either a hood down, or a high collar. I like frame 24 for his face, and even though it's really hard to tell, it kind of looks like he's wearing a baseball hat (brown or camo) and a gray hoodie under the windbreaker, with the hood also down but bunched up closer to the back of the head because of the outer jacket. I think it's the gray hoodie sticking out up around his chin, and maybe part of it down around his pockets. Can't tell if that's his hand or clothing or what.

In this frame he does appear to be younger than OBG

 

[Krwiley60]

I'm coming from an educated perspective. She doesn't offer anything that's admissible at trial, much less enough to create reasonable doubt.

Further, she says nothing that puts her in anymore danger than she's already in.[/Q

Agree!

 

[TL4S]

In this frame he does appear to be younger than OBG

Yes, I thought so, too.

 

[FinePrint]

Just putting this back out there because it’s been a while since this was discussed. It was indeed discussed and there were plenty of supportive MSM articles posted.

The one witness that said she did see BG said he was wearing a scarf. Is that what we are seeing in the still frames? The white thing below his chin?

 

[Lmustang89]

Yes we all go back and fourth...is it a fanny pack or shirt tail. I’m still saying fanny pack!

I am thinking another jacket so he could take it off and not be reconized.?? So ready for closure for their familes

 

[Krwiley60]

Are you a lawyer? There is a verified procedure for those who wish to comment as experts, otherwise everything is opinion without sources.

I’m sorry but I find your comment to be rude. My background is in law. It doesn’t mean I want/have to be a verified expert on this case. @SilentRogue was correct in his statements. Lawyer or not.

 

[tresir2012]

You can bet LE has looked at every frame with much more sophisticated enhancements then anyone on WS can do at home

Indeed but they don't know him. If someone who knows him looks at these they will know him.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Certainly a lively thread today!

Let’s hope we will be debating over a trial in the near future!

Yes, still amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Krwiley60]

Okay folks, here is something a lot of you may find helpful and interesting! I find myself looking back at this very often. At the link below are 48 still frames taken directly from the BG video. I did not create this so I can’t take any credit for it. I think posting the source for this may violate TOS so just PM me if you want the source. It is worth looking at them on a computer or tablet versus a smart phone because you can see much more detail that way. I don’t think I’m violating TOS by posting the link but it you might want to bookmark it just in case the mods remove this.

Adobe Document Cloud

Thank you! I was just getting ready to post this!

 

[Krwiley60]

Thanks for that @MizMari. Now that I went through all of the frames I have to say his jacket looks more like a heavy windbreaker type jacket rather than a heavier say Carhartt type jacket that I first thought is was.

To me frame 30 and 31 are the best frames that capture his facial features. And I do think he is wearing a hoody, brown.

I agree with you about the hood. Also, on the site where this is from, a lot of people think what is in his jacket that looks like a gun, has 4 sides. Like a cross. I also think he’s wearing brown boots, possibly Oakley’s?

 

[SeattleStew]

Thank you! I was just getting ready to post this!

I have studied those frames for hours! BTW, I recently asked the person who did that, if that would try with the PE video. Haven't heard back.

BTW it is in the frames that you can see Libby's coat sleeve.

 

[ACE422]

I wonder if the “guys” in the audio is spliced from a different part of the whole clip and LE removes words. Wonder if he said something like “Guys, I’ve got a _______ (murder weapon) get down the hill.” To me it doesn’t seem like the “guys” and the “down the hill” go together. MOO

I agree. This would make sense why LE reiterated that it was ONE person, not TWO people speaking in the audio recording.

 

[Strowbs]

I wonder, is it possible to have just enough blood evidence at a crime scene to determine blood type but not enough for a dna profile? Might seem like a stupid question.

 

[mtnlites]

You can bet LE has looked at every frame with much more sophisticated enhancements then anyone on WS can do at home

And it's already been stated that they have utilized equipment from Disney to NASA.

 

[mtnlites]

I’m sorry but I find your comment to be rude. My background is in law. It doesn’t mean I want/have to be a verified expert on this case. @SilentRogue was correct in his statements. Lawyer or not.

Thank you for your posts. Verification is useful if you were posting factual information as a professional. I have not seen you do that; I have only seen you share opinions based on your experience/knowledge.

 

[moonlessnight]

I would hope they have pulled still frame by frame from the video. Some frames are stunningly different than others. IMO he is very skinny.

That sounds like a promising view, IMHO. I wonder if LE would want to examine something like that?

Those darn pixels

 

[moonlessnight]

I will try. I have been able to post pix before but I can't remember how and it is not intuitive.

Moonless- Could you get someone to help you to post your screenshot? I would love to see it. Does it look like glasses with a fake mustache attached perhaps? This would suggest he IS known to them and possibly silenced them before they thought to utter any name. : /