Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #109

[tresir2012]

Is the BG seen at Freedom Bridge the YBG or is the old suspect who spurred the OBG sketch?

Not sure but think it would be OBG because the new sketch wasn't out when the source videos and interviews were done

MOO actually going over the timeline is really complicated.
Today has been a great help. It is a big time market to knowBG was at the Freedom Bridge at 3:02. If BG was on trail from MHB to arrive at FB by 3:02, he would have passed FSG on the way.
And one more thing, BG probably took a short cut just before reaching the FB.
Along the trail MHB trail, behind the Hoosier Harvest Store on CR 300, there is a path up from the trail to the road through the HS parking pad, and from there a very it is a 1 minute walk to the CPS parking lot.

Here's early part of timeline showing that Derrick saw and spoke to FSG twice. When he first gets there about 3.15 and again at Freedom Bridge about 3.35/3.40 approx so it does sound like FSG possibly saw BG twice IMO.

10:00
Libby and Abby awakened at Libby's house. Derrick (Libby's father) made them pancakes.


1:00
Kelsie, Libby's sister, arrive at Becky and Mike Patty's house, were also Libby live. Kelsie says that she was going to a friend's house before going to work. Libby hear her and ask if she can go to the bridge for a while since it was so warm.
1:38
Libby and Abby were dropped off by Kelsie (Libby's sister) to go hiking near Monon High Bridge , according to family.


2:07
Libby took a snapchat pic of Abby on the bridge, this was the last time anyone heard from the girls.
2:30
Libby take video of Bridgeman
2:49
CME (female witness) walked the bridge, saw a man before that and a couple under the bridge, did not see or hear the girls or the possible suspect at the bridgearea.
2:52
"Flannel Shirt Man" (older man mid to late 70's, a witness) sees a man ( possibly the suspect) leave the area just few meters north of the meeting point.


3:02
Possible suspect is seen at Freedom Bridge (not sure by whom?).
3:11
Derrick, Libby's dad call Libby while passing Wilson Bridge, no answer, he leave message at voicemail; he is almost there.
3:14
Derrick, Libby's dad call Libby again saying he has arrived at the meeting point,
no answer just voicemail, so he walk towards the trailhead, didn't see anybody.
Derrick walk further and meet an older man (the old FSM man witness?), coming from the high bridge, and ask him if he had seen the girls, but he had not but tell Derrick that there
was a couple (a man and a woman) under the bridge. Derrick then take the trial leading down to the creek to see if the couple was there, but Becky (Libby's grandmother), who is telling all this, does not remember if Derrick saw the couple or not.
Derrick then walk back to the meeting point.
3:30
Derrick call Becky telling her that Libby's not answering her phone and now the calls goes straight to voicemail.
3:30
Becky calls and sms Libby, but no answer.
3:35
Derrick walk down to the Freedom Bridge and on his way he meet the older man again (the FSM witness ?).


4:00
Derrick has walked back to the meeting point.

 

[zoricaj1]

i woke up from a dream that someone in law enforcement did it...

 

[rosesfromangels]

i woke up from a dream that someone in law enforcement did it...

Dreams lie.
Last night I dreamt I won the lottery and was toodling through Hyannis Port in a convertible lamborghini with two hunky Hemsworth brothers. Boy was I p*ssed when I woke up and found out it was just a dream.

 

[moonlessnight]

but which BG was seen at Freedom Bridge? OBG or YBG?

BG was seen at Freedom Bridge at 3.02 so that was before Derrick had even arrived or spoken to FSG. No police were there till after 5 when Mike spoke to his LE friend. BG was lucky and I certainly think he was gone from FB/CPS area by 3.15 at the very latest.

See timeline below

3:02
Possible suspect is seen at Freedom Bridge (not sure by whom?).
3:11
Derrick, Libby's dad call Libby while passing Wilson Bridge, no answer, he leave message at voicemail; he is almost there.
3:14
Derrick, Libby's dad call Libby again saying he has arrived at the meeting point,
no answer just voicemail, so he walk towards the trailhead, didn't see anybody.
Derrick walk further and meet an older man (the old FSM man witness?), coming from the high bridge, and ask him if he had seen the girls, but he had not but tell Derrick that there
was a couple (a man and a woman) under the bridge. Derrick then take the trial leading down to the creek to see if the couple was there, but Becky (Libby's grandmother), who is telling all this, does not remember if Derrick saw the couple or not.
Derrick then walk back to the meeting point.
3:30
Derrick call Becky telling her that Libby's not answering her phone and now the calls goes straight to voicemail.
3:30
Becky calls and sms Libby, but no answer.
3:35
Derrick walk down to the Freedom Bridge and on his way he meet the older man again (the FSM witness ?).


4:00
Derrick has walked back to the meeting point.
4:00
Becky calls her husband Mike Patty at his work and tell him she had called and sms'ed Libby, but no answer.
Becky tell Mike that they will go to the bridge and look for the girls.
Mike Patty says he will leave work at once and come to the Bridge and look for Libby and Abby.
4:??
Tara German (Libby's aunt) leave Becky's house 10minuts before Becky and when Tara
got to the meeting point she got into Derrick's car with Derrick.
4;??
As Becky leave her house Cody Patty (Mike Patty's son) come pulling in. He has just gotten out of work, Becky told him what was going on and Cody got in the car with Becky, and they headed to the meeting point.
When they arrived at the meeting point there was a lot of cars there also cars that did not belong to the family says Becky.
Becky call AT&T, bc Libby had reset her phone the week before, and Becky asked if they could ping Libby's phone but they said they could not do it.
4:18
Becky calls husband Mike Patty again
4-5:00
Mike Patty says that they, as a family, had searched the area, couldn't find anything.


5:15
Becky says "at this time Mike come walking up, he had been searching too" (at the meeting point) "when Mike got there he pulled in to Mr. Mirrore's driveway because there was no place to park due to so many cars".
Mike Patty call a friend who is a police officer.
5:15
Becky, after a long time talking to AT&T, give up talking to them because they could not help.
5:20
Mike Patty call the police

This is clear to me when reading this, that BG was gone before Derrick even arrived.

 

[zoricaj1]

Dreams lie.
Last night I dreamt I won the lottery and was toodling through Hyannis Port in a convertible lamborghini with two hunky Hemsworth brothers. Boy was I p*ssed when I woke up and found out it was just a dream.

nice...smart ***
jk

 

[tresir2012]

but which BG was seen at Freedom Bridge? OBG or YBG?

I answered the same question from Flashy09 as follows:

Not sure but think it would be OBG because the new sketch wasn't out when the source videos and interviews were done.

 

[rosesfromangels]

nice...smart ***
jk

; )
Ahahaha.
A little levity for a very serious thread. Have a nice Sunday evening. I’m out to look for those Hemsworth boys...

 

[flashy09]

I answered the same question from Flashy09 as follows:

Not sure but think it would be OBG because the new sketch wasn't out when the source videos and interviews were done.

So therefore it is not actually BG at Freedom Bridge at 3:02. It was the OBG who we are supposed to disregard.... I wonder where and by who YBG was sighted?

 

[DancingMuse]

Dreams lie.
Last night I dreamt I won the lottery and was toodling through Hyannis Port in a convertible lamborghini with two hunky Hemsworth brothers. Boy was I p*ssed when I woke up and found out it was just a dream.

ROSEFROMANGELS!!!!! PLEASE!!!!
CONTROL YOURSELF.

This is a family-friendly website.

(A family of clowns.)

 

[rosesfromangels]

ROSEFROMANGELS!!!!! PLEASE!!!!
CONTROL YOURSELF.

This is a family-friendly website.

(A family of clowns.)

I am uncharacteristically silly tonight. Must be to counterbalance all the gloom this weekend.

Peace and love to all. Justice for the two roses.

 

[Boxer]

I have a feeling it might have been FSG because I know Derrick saw FSG twice, the second time being at Freedom bridge I think.

MOO that wasn't BG that was seen at 3:02 at the FB. I can't find any mention except as seen by... not sure. Though possibly CME saw BG if she was ahead of FSG on the trail, amd could be anticipated to be getting back to FB around that time. There was man on the platform with a shofar at that time did not see a man.

I am going to add, why was BBR yard searched? MOO someone saw something being thrown from a car after 3pm on 2/13/17. If so where was the car headed going west out of town on a secondary road? Or was he just cautiously driving around randomly before return to his nearby home in the dark?

 

[Vesta66S]

It is my humble opinion that the biggest mistake made in this case was calling off the search that evening. These were very young girls with a designed drop off and pick up time. The family knew something was wrong immediately.

Did LE know by then that it was a ”recovery” and not resque!? Hence the late start to search again (10 AM) on the 14th.

 

[Boxer]

dbm duplicate

 

[sunshineray]

It all originated from a response to something on FB (even though it was the witness) and not LE. Then it was perpetuated by youtubers. I tend to question things that originate on SM.

Why in the world was this witness putting information out, in FB comments of all places, about an active double homicide investigation? Not saying they are being nefarious, but just wondering why.

Edit: heavy.com isn’t the most accurate news site and relies heavily on SM. I have to admit they can dig up info really quick which is impressive.

Because that's what people do. They put their lives on SM. You know after posting to a family member that thhey were there and if she mentioned she took pictures, the police would be knocking on her door to interview her.

 

[Boxer]

Because that's what people do. They put their lives on SM. You know after posting to a family member that thhey were there and if she mentioned she took pictures, the police would be knocking on her door to interview her.

MOO she called the police once she saw what she knew was important.

 

[sunshineray]

Dreams lie.
Last night I dreamt I won the lottery and was toodling through Hyannis Port in a convertible lamborghini with two hunky Hemsworth brothers. Boy was I p*ssed when I woke up and found out it was just a dream.

Niiiiice while it lasted though huh

 

[sunshineray]

MOO that wasn't BG that was seen at 3:02 at the FB. I can't find any mention except as seen by... not sure. Though possibly CME saw BG as she was ahead if FSG on the trail, amd could be anticipated to be getting back to FB around that time. There was man on the platform with a shofar at that time did not see anyone.

I am going to add, why was BBR yard searched? MOO someone saw something being thrown from a car after 3pm on 2/13/17. If so where was the car headed going west out of town on a secondary road? Or was he just cautiously driving around randomly before return to his nearby home in the dark?

Is that where BH was working, at the FB? His working was blowing his horn there that day?

 

[Boxer]

Did LE know by then that it was a ”recovery” and not resque!? Hence the late start to search again (10 AM) on the 14th.

I think they had a suspicions, though I am sure they still were hoping to hear the girls ran away to relatives.

 

[Cutiekitty]

Because that's what people do. They put their lives on SM. You know after posting to a family member that thhey were there and if she mentioned she took pictures, the police would be knocking on her door to interview her.

They definitely do that. They aren’t always truthful about it either. I know a couple of people that look like they really have it all together based on SM. In reality they are a hot mess.

 

[Nerissa]

I think they had a suspicions, though I am sure they still were hoping to hear the girls ran away to relatives.

What reason would LE have to hope they'd run off to relatives....?

This would imply problems at home for one or both of them - to run away

Just curious to your thoughts. Have not heard yet that LE would have any reason to believe they would willingly run away

TIA