Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #110

[Boxer]

Maybe the hat is precisely why they can't determine an exact height, plus the downward angle of his head. Just guessing...

That downward head angle, peering from under his brow and sidling posture is a mannerism though.

 

[NameUser]

It is my understanding that the video released is a zoomed in portion of the video shot while on the bridge. I understand they may not want to release the original because it might contain one of the girls in the video.

I think if they did we have some people with the ability to give us a clearer picture of this guy.

Do you guys think they would every release the original video(just the clip we have seen) with the original resolution?

 

[Nerissa]

Gosh, sometimes seems this case is stranger than fiction....

Especially with that last press conference: 'you may be in this room'
It's practically Hollywood

It's bizarre. And frustrating.

Because it's real. And I'd so like to see justice for Abby & Libby

 

[FinePrint]

Gosh, sometimes seems this case is stranger than fiction....

Especially with that last press conference: 'you may be in this room'
It's practically Hollywood

It's bizarre. And frustrating.

Because it's real. And I'd so like to see justice for Abby & Libby

Yes especially “who may be in the room” which Carter later doubles down on as noted in @TL4S prior post.

It is such a bold statement. I’m still trying to wrap my head around that one 4 months later.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

"When we decided that, through the information we received, that we were going to release the second sketch I don’t believe the individual knew we were going to do that. So it was really, really important. I think he was probably there and/or watching, simply because he thought we were on the wrong path," Carter said.

"The sketch isn’t a photograph. A sketch is a sketch and that’s really important for everybody to understand," Carter said. "I believe that the individual when we catch him, it will be a combination of those two.”

A combination of the two sketches maybe, that the young BG has now a beard like the old BG or another beard style; that's all, perhaps. Advantage for the perp maybe, that he permanently is changing his look a little bit. So, no one would assume, the person is doing this for staying unrecognized. Wearing no hat afterwards, when he was wearing some during the offense, would be almost meaningless.
I wish, the perp may have a lot of stress, since police changed their strategy and the new sketch is now looking like him, although it's only a sketch and not a photo.

I think, it's someone, who doesn't have a real need to have done that (but has a desire for it, because he is "crazy-ill" - NO excuse!). I think, he wants to profile as the greatest double killer of all times, who didn't get caught for years until he will be caught finally one day. I don't know: does he think of writing a bestseller afterwards? "How I murdered innocent girls in a double pack and LE/FBI weren't able to find me." Does he think of writing some poems? Does he think of writing some screenplays? In any case he would have something to do, when he is sitting around in jail, what I hope, he will do in the near future.

 

[Nadal]

Someone here suggested members here altering known photographs from the case. I'd strongly suggest against that, actually if i see that i'd report it both on this site and elsewhere. This site is very influential on the internet in general and while people here understand things aren't real or are just tools or whatever the majority of the internet won't follow your guidelines.

 

[mtnlites]

It is my understanding that the video released is a zoomed in portion of the video shot while on the bridge. I understand they may not want to release the original because it might contain one of the girls in the video.

I think if they did we have some people with the ability to give us a clearer picture of this guy.

Do you guys think they would every release the original video(just the clip we have seen) with the original resolution?

Both LE and the families have said that the video has been examined by the top specialists in the country-from Pixar/Disney to NASA and the FBI. I honestly don't think that any of us, or any other armchair sleuther out there, has software or abilities that could make the video any clearer. Many people have "enhanced" it, but I think that's a slippery slope. When the public enhances the video clip, it often changes the guy's face and the result may or may not truly resemble him. I worry that someone in his life will see the public's "enhancements" and talk themselves out of calling in the tip because it no longer resembles the person they know.

When this thing (hopefully) goes to trial, there's a chance that we might see the original video as evidence is released. Until then, though, probably not.

In Jayme Closs' case a few months ago, people were clamoring about how LE should release the 911 call, that there MUST be something useful on there and that if it were released then sleuthers might be able to find the guy. Once she was found and more details were released about the crime, however, it became clear that releasing the audio wouldn't have been helpful to the masses at all. It was a couple of seconds filled with terror. The only real thing it clarified was that these were, indeed, blatant murders and that Jayme was probably not involved (many people online wouldn't let go of that theory). Releasing it might have satisfied the public's curiosity (or maybe not, no matter how much LE releases, the public wants "more"), but it also would have been traumatic for the family.

This case and Jayme's are high profile cases. Every spec of information floats around the internet faster than a fruit fly on a rotten bananas. Can you imagine losing a close family member and every time you turn on the TV or get online someone was playing the audio of their last seconds on earth?

 

[mtnlites]

Someone here suggested members here altering known photographs from the case. I'd strongly suggest against that, actually if i see that i'd report it both on this site and elsewhere. This site is very influential on the internet in general and while people here understand things aren't real or are just tools or whatever the majority of the internet won't follow your guidelines.

Facebook as well. I've seen people sharing the altered photos all over Facebook and it disturbs me. Doing it on your own is one thing-making those altered images public and passing them around social media instead of the official image and sketch is something else entirely. I strongly disagree with doing that. When the public alters or "enhances" the image, they're bringing their own ideas and biases to it. It might be fun for them but, IMO, we shouldn't be filling in the dots and reconstructing the way we think he looks. There's a HUGE chance we'd be wrong.

 

[tresir2012]

Someone here suggested members here altering known photographs from the case. I'd strongly suggest against that, actually if i see that i'd report it both on this site and elsewhere. This site is very influential on the internet in general and while people here understand things aren't real or are just tools or whatever the majority of the internet won't follow your guidelines.

Welcome to WS Nadal.
Can you possibly provide the post(s) you are talking about please? I am unaware of any posters doing that. Some analysis was allowed in the private image thread to a certain degree but that has not been open for quite some time now.

 

[Nadal]

Facebook as well. I've seen people sharing the altered photos all over Facebook and it disturbs me. Doing it on your own is one thing-making those altered images public and passing them around social media instead of the official image and sketch is something else entirely. I strongly disagree with doing that. When the public alters or "enhances" the image, they're bringing their own ideas and biases to it. It might be fun for them but, IMO, we shouldn't be filling in the dots and reconstructing the way we think he looks. There's a HUGE chance we'd be wrong.

A lot of Websleuths members also thinks it's wrong if you refuse a lie detector or call a lawyer. The vast majority of wrongful convictions come from this type of attitude, you should absolutely lawyer up 100% innocent or not and you should NEVER take a lie detector innocent or guilty because they aren't reliable and there's nothing positive you can get from taking one.

 

[mtnlites]

A lot of Websleuths members also thinks it's wrong if you refuse a lie detector or call a lawyer. The vast majority of wrongful convictions come from this type of attitude, you should absolutely lawyer up 100% innocent or not and you should NEVER take a lie detector innocent or guilty because they aren't reliable and there's nothing positive you can get from taking one.

Yeah, if it's in regards to a murder case or something really serious then never ever talk to LE without the presence of an attorney. LE gets tunnel vision all the time and it doesn't take much on someone's part to put their foot in their mouth. Say the wrong thing or lose your words and LE may just focus all their attention on you, which is fine if you're the perp but not so good if you're not.

I wouldn't take a lie detector test. They're not admissible in court, LE can lie about the results, and one of the main reasons they're still administered is because LE is looking at the response the person gives when asked to take one.

 

[Nadal]

Welcome to WS Nadal.
Can you possibly provide the post(s) you are talking about please? I am unaware of any posters doing that. Some analysis was allowed in the private image thread to a certain degree but that has not been open for quite some time now.

Hey, thanks for the welcome.

I'd need to go back and pick out specific posts since these threads move so fast. #422 on this page i think is a result of members convincing each other they can do things within an echo chamber.

 

[raja]

Hair vrs no hair could also add an inch or two.

 

[tresir2012]

Sorry I can't keep up.
So has it now been confirmed that BG was not in the original SC photo and had not been cut out as previously speculated?

Trying to visualize within the time frame...
Was Libby off the bridge when she took the SC picture as shown on the GH video? Did the girls get back together on or off the bridge before BG got to them? Where would Libby be standing when she started the video on BG? I'm thinking she was back up on the bridge by then because the angle of the video clips were more straight than at an up angle?

Re your first para I am unaware anyone has either stated BG was in or cut out of the SC photo. AFAIK he was not around when that was taken (2.07 p.m.) No photos or video have been altered AFAIK. I don't know the answers to your last 4 questions, but there has been speculation on here and Grey Hughes you tube channel. We have discussed them in some instances.

 

[tresir2012]

Hey, thanks for the welcome.

I'd need to go back and pick out specific posts since these threads move so fast. #422 on this page i think is a result of members convincing each other they can do things within an echo chamber.

If you can reply to posts that you are commenting about, it does help with flow and clarity.

 

[mtnlites]

I'd be careful when talking to the media, too, during such a serious crime. RL did himself no favors by talking to the press immediately following the murders. Many eyes were on him and, for a while at least, lots of folks were convinced that he'd had a hand in it (if not the actual murderer). He didn't really say anything "wrong", but his words were consistently dissected and some of the things that were probably intended to be innocent were reconfigured until, for some, they accounted for some kind of "evidence" of his guilt.

It can be a catch-22: talk to the media or LE without an attorney's advice or presence and you're opening yourself up to intense speculation, don't do it or get an attorney and people think you've something to hide.

About 5 years ago my kids' godfather (and surrogate grandfather) befriended a guy and gave him some jobs around his farm. Six months later a whole SWAT team was invading said farm; dude had abducted and murdered a woman and surreptitiously buried her on his employer's farm in some bushes not far from his back porch. Totally bewildered and completely innocent, our friend gladly accompanied LE to the station to be questioned. Ten hours of intense questioning and pressure to "confess" and our friend (who'd never even had a traffic ticket) was having a legit breakdown. He was never arrested and the guy eventually confessed*, but our friend still wound up with so much attorney fees that cost him half his grandparents' farm and cleaned out his entire life savings' account. Scary business. (And also why I had a soft spot for RL in the beginning.) I have mad respect for Kelsey and the other family members who do these interviews and try to provide answers; they're opening themselves up to so much stuff, yet it's also understandable why they do it.


* Dude also turned out to be a bit of a serial killer. While arrested for that crime, it came to light that he'd killed at least 3 other people over the past 20 years. Our life is an Investigation Discovery special.

 

[Nadal]

If you can reply to posts that you are commenting about, it does help with flow and clarity.

Yeah, sorry i don't think i'll post in this thread again but if i do i'll take your advice. Thanks.

 

[BNA]

Then LE would know exactly who he is.

But probably cannot present a prosecutor with an air-tight case. Or, at least one that the prosecution would see as air-tight.

I still want to know what the deal was with no prosecutor on hand at the 4/22 presser. It's maddening, imho. I just figure that Supt. Carter would have benefitted from a wing-person that day.

 

[PaulaDC]

Stop confusing me please.
Could it be both?



Somewhere between the two sketches. So about age 37?

Dbm

 

[155etta]

LE seems pretty confident about when "criminal activity began" and says the killer "got around very quickly". How could they know? They also talk about a "twist". I'm not sure if Libby's camera phone recorded the whole ordeal or not, but I do think maybe the killer at least used her phone to take a picture of his handywork after he was finished - and then left the phone there. That, or he took a selfie with it. These would be timestamped. Maybe that's why they're so confident about the times. It would also mean to me that he was absolutely disguised, not to mention super cocky. I think the video on the bridge is him in disguise and the new sketch is him after ditching it, possibly in a backpack or duffel bag. I think it would also point to someone under 25. I've always wondered why he didn't take the phone or destroy it.