Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #110

[CSIDreamer]

I agree with you. I just watched it after zooming in on his face and it does look like that - like he is having a foul mouthed grumble to himself or even singing to himself. Here's the link for posters to also have a zoom in.

ISP: Delphi Homicide Investigation

I honestly don't see anything like that. I see a grainy video.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I honestly don't see anything like that. I see a grainy video.

I think that when our brains are trying to make sense of, or reconcile something, we tend to "fill in" gaps with our own personal reference points. Such as , "he reminds me of how Grandpa Earl used to walk home and grumble all the way", that sort of thing. Good Detectives are trained not to fill in the white space with their own personal reference points. If they don't know something, they leave it as an unknown space vs. fill it with something that is just a guess, or they use statistical crime data. Reason being, that guess can take an investigation down a rat hole that has nothing to do with facts, or moving the case forward.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[tresir2012]

I honestly don't see anything like that. I see a grainy video.

It is such a short clip and on a continuous loop so is deceiving to watch. I see a motion of his head to his left and movement in the mouth area. Speech, chewing or spitting, or similar.

 

[tresir2012]

Agree 100%!!!
A lot of “Cold” cases are actually “solved” within the first few weeks. However, law enforcement doesn’t realize they have found the correct perpetrator. You can look into several high profile cases: The Green River Killer, BTK, Golden State Killer... etc Law Enforcement HAD these guys on their radar but for one reason or another they were crossed off the list. This is one of the MAIN reasons I believe that after a certain amount of time it should be demanded that ALL cases like this be looked over from the very beginning with “a new set of fresh eyes” as they say. Bring in someone new that doesn’t know the case. Let them look it over. I bet these cases would be solved MUCH faster.

My own personal opinion of course.

They did have GBI look it over (see link below). I have never seen any outcome from this, however.

Georgia investigators, FBI review Delphi case

 

[Cutiekitty]

Motive

I Have never really thought SA and I Don’t know why. To SA two girls in such a short time frame seems unrealistic don’t ask me why. That is just what I think.

I am still of the opinion they were in the wrong place at the same time as the perpetrator who was having a bad day for personal reasons and flipped. Maybe at something they did or said. Who knows?

I quite simply sense Anger, Rage then fear from the perpetrator

Do I think they were shot with a Gun well no not really unless it was silenced

Do I think the mobile call to Libby’s phone spoked him from DG Yes I do.

Do I think he is tech savvy, depends what tech savvy is, savvy enough not to take the mobile with him. So Savvy enough.

I would like to put a different slant what would happen if the perpetrator was looking for a peaceful place to end his own life and disturbed by youthful fun loving people

Just an alternative thought no rhyme nor reason why other than it hasn't been suggested previously

MingyMoo

YBG is probably more tech savvy than OBG.

 

[sunshineray]

I think that despite the thousands of tips they would probably receive, they need to release the info on the car seen at the CPS building. That’s if they know what the make/color is. I see no reason for them to withhold that information and could be the one tip they are so desperately seeking.

That's just it. They don't seem to be seeking it anymore, do they?

 

[sunshineray]

I think that when our brains are trying to make sense of, or reconcile something, we tend to "fill in" gaps with our own personal reference points. Such as , "he reminds me of how Grandpa Earl used to walk home and grumble all the way", that sort of thing. Good Detectives are trained not to fill in the white space with their own personal reference points. If they don't know something, they leave it as an unknown space vs. fill it with something that is just a guess, or they use statistical crime data. Reason being, that guess can take an investigation down a rat hole that has nothing to do with facts, or moving the case forward.

Amateur opinion and speculation

If you watch it on that ISP website it's on a loop. Zoom in as far as you can on just BG's face. His lips are moving. My eyes are not playing tricks on me. I'd never zoomed in on the running video before so never noticed it.

 

[moonlessnight]

I am certain there is some equipment in his mouth.
ETA link: SP Gadgets | Mouth Mount for GoPro | 53161
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It is such a short clip and on a continuous loop so is deceiving to watch. I see a motion of his head to his left and movement in the mouth area. Speech, chewing or spitting, or similar.

 

[Nerissa]

I am certain there is some equipment in his mouth.

Wow...weird, because I, and others, sometimes suspect he could be a coach of some sort...what if he was blowing some whistle being all 'weird' & directing them: that's why she started filming: filming the nutjob on the bridge.....

JMO

 

[Krwiley60]

That's just it. They don't seem to be seeking it anymore, do they?

I’m not sure if they are or not. They are being incredibly quiet again.

 

[rosesfromangels]

I am certain there is some equipment in his mouth.
ETA link: SP Gadgets | Mouth Mount for GoPro | 53161
and {{::og.title}}

I see something in his mouth as well. I thought it looked like a regulator.

 

[moonlessnight]

I think the sun is reflecting off various materials such as plastic and metal, and colors such as black, silver, and either green or orange, causing it to appear as if his mouth is moving. I do not believe we can actually see his mouth and chin. Even the tip of his nose might be covered partially. I also think there is a chin strap going around behind his head.

ETA- this creeps me out just thinking about it.

I see something in his mouth as well. I thought it looked like a regulator.

 

[moonlessnight]

have you looked at the gopro mouth mounts? what do you think about that possibility?

I see something in his mouth as well. I thought it looked like a regulator.

 

[moonlessnight]

IMO - What people think is his mouth/lips and/or mustache/goatee, is a mouthpiece of some sort. what people think is his chin is a device and/or connector piece that connects to what might be a gopro camera in front of his neck/chest, which is the white outline that people think is a plastic bag, zip ties, or a rope. I think it's reflection of the silver frame of the camera with the black lens in the left center of the camera face.

Wow...weird, because I, and others, sometimes suspect he could be a coach of some sort...what if he was blowing some whistle being all 'weird' & directing them: that's why she started filming: filming the nutjob on the bridge.....

JMO

 

[Nerissa]

This post has been Deleted By Me.....

Because you'll see it again right below all over again.....

And you know what???
That's NOT JMO

 

[Nerissa]

IMO - What people think is his mouth/lips and/or mustache/goatee, is a mouthpiece of some sort. what people think is his chin is a device and/or connector piece that connects to what might be a gopro camera in front of his neck/chest, which is the white outline that people think is a plastic bag, zip ties, or a rope. I think it's reflection of the silver frame of the camera with the black lens in the left center of the camera face.

Thank you for this elucidation!!!!

Guess I'm a simple gal: whistle, lol - what else could it be??

Thanks again

 

[mtnlites]

I honestly don't see anything like that. I see a grainy video.

Neither do I. I also don't see anything inhis mouth, though the list of ideas as to what it could be would now fill a page. I have seen/read/heard:
-cigar
-cigerette
- vape
- breathing apparatus
- mask covering lower part of his face
- scarf with crossbones pulled up to his nose
- regulator
- surgical mask
- headset with mic
- I guess now a Go Pro mouth cam

I have a GoPro mouth mount for our YT channel and I'm just not seeing it on BG. I see what people are indicating but with the missing pixels I wouldn't feel confident abour guessing on anything. I see shadows, pixelation, and loss of image integrity. I still think that if something were there and it was THAT clear to the sleuthing public then it would've already been examined by LE. I think they would've announced it because saying "a 5'10" 50lb middle-aged man with an oxygen mask" or whatever would've helped narrow down the perps.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

I have been going back to news articles as early as I can find and re-reading the content to see if any 'new' info can be applied to the recent change in direction.

This article gave me a bit of a jolt as it states a timeline that more recent articles do not.

I am not sure if this is just lousy reporting and if the times should even be taken literally but I felt it worth noting.

Feb 16, 2017
"Police said a camera captured the photos of a man near Deer Creek between 1 and 3:30 Monday afternoon, about a quarter of a mile from the spot where the girls were found."

Police question multiple people in Delphi girls’ murders

We know the girls were dropped off at 1:38 p.m. so the 1 pm reported time stated must be either be wrong, or maybe someone actually did see the killer at 1:00 p.m. at the trails and that's where 1 pm came into play.

I am also keeping in mind that LE may not have had all the witness sightings and times nailed down at this point to release info, but it seems like 3:30 is a very specific time to mention. I am still wondering if Libby's phone continued to record well after 3:00 p.m. and if it does include audio of their final moments? Her battery either died or her phone was shut off after her family kept calling...so 3:30 p.m. is reasonable IMO.

Also worth noting within the article (aside from a slight resemblance to sketch #1 aka OBG ) is that....

"One Flora, Ind. resident said he doesn’t know why, but police asked if they could question him Thursday.

He told 24-Hour News 8 he agreed to a cotton swab test and let police search his phone before they let him go."

At that time, they wouldn't have had any Crime Scene DNA results back yet so the swab request was likely a standard procedure for all suspects being questioned.

Going back to the catfishing theory that has been discussed here thoroughly, I felt it was worth noting that they searched his phone.

Were they looking to see if a Snap Chat or KIK app was installed?

Another thought I have is if Libby's phone maybe recorded an incoming call to the killer on his own phone and if LE knows what his ring tone sounded like?

Just random thoughts and speculation and JMO.

 

[Boxer]

It is such a short clip and on a continuous loop so is deceiving to watch. I see a motion of his head to his left and movement in the mouth area. Speech, chewing or spitting, or similar.

I can't find it but one local TV station got rid of the loop, and set it as once through to let you see a step.
You have to replay to see the frames again. MOO Much better, truer sense of movement.

 

[TL4S]

I have been going back to news articles as early as I can find and re-reading the content to see if any 'new' info can be applied to the recent change in direction.

This article gave me a bit of a jolt as it states a timeline that more recent articles do not.

I am not sure if this is just lousy reporting and if the times should even be taken literally but I felt it worth noting.

Feb 16, 2017
"Police said a camera captured the photos of a man near Deer Creek between 1 and 3:30 Monday afternoon, about a quarter of a mile from the spot where the girls were found."

Police question multiple people in Delphi girls’ murders

We know the girls were dropped off at 1:38 p.m. so the 1 pm reported time stated must be either be wrong, or maybe someone actually did see the killer at 1:00 p.m. at the trails and that's where 1 pm came into play.

I am also keeping in mind that LE may not have had all the witness sightings and times nailed down at this point to release info, but it seems like 3:30 is a very specific time to mention. I am still wondering if Libby's phone continued to record well after 3:00 p.m. and if it does include audio of their final moments? Her battery either died or her phone was shut off after her family kept calling...so 3:30 p.m. is reasonable IMO.

Also worth noting within the article (aside from a slight resemblance to sketch #1 aka OBG ) is that....

"One Flora, Ind. resident said he doesn’t know why, but police asked if they could question him Thursday.

He told 24-Hour News 8 he agreed to a cotton swab test and let police search his phone before they let him go."

At that time, they wouldn't have had any Crime Scene DNA results back yet so the swab request was likely a standard procedure for all suspects being questioned.

Going back to the catfishing theory that has been discussed here thoroughly, I felt it was worth noting that they searched his phone.

Were they looking to see if a Snap Chat or KIK app was installed?

Another thought I have is if Libby's phone maybe recorded an incoming call to the killer on his own phone and if LE knows what his ring tone sounded like?

Just random thoughts and speculation and JMO.

Could the photos actually be referring to the bridge video from Libby's phone? Except that's less than a quarter mile.

RL's house is about a quarter mile from the CS.