Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #113

[Imvp2]

Yep, the active imaginations with creating new "facts" is what sends me packing too....

My thoughts my opinion.
What seems to make you so certain it wasn't?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

 

[kathryann]

It disturbs me that when I check on here every day most cases say ARREST and this one doesn't. I have a hard time understanding with an actual picture of the killer they still haven't arrested anyone. I feel like this was a planned attack and someone or many people are covering for him. Small towns usually have big secrets.

 

[Kudzuu]

@kathryann from what I've observed they know or have it narrowed down, but need more for an arrest and conviction. The smoke and mirrors is very distracting. As for small towns, the rumor mill is probably going nuts. I've also wondered if the killer has commented on here, or at least is watching. My opinions, naturally. The religious innuendo puzzles me in a scary sort of way.

 

[Torch Carrier]

I can def understand posters' frustration at this case seeming to be almost at a standstill (from our vantage point as non-LE, anyway) ...
... BUT ... I honestly don't understand why some posters' surmising that the "couple" seen under bridge (per witness' words, per DG) is thought by others here to be so outlandish.

I mean, unless you KNOW who (if anyone) was under the bridge, how can you scoff at the idea it could have been the girls, BG, or a combination thereof? It certainly COULD have been, ... no???

 

[raja]

I can def understand posters' frustration at this case seeming to be almost at a standstill (from our vantage point as non-LE, anyway) ...
... BUT ... I honestly don't understand why some posters' surmising that the "couple" seen under bridge (per witness' words, per DG) is thought by others here to be so outlandish.

I mean, unless you KNOW who (if anyone) was under the bridge, how can you scoff at the idea it could have been the girls, BG, or a combination thereof? It certainly COULD have been, ... no???

Or it could have been a couple that were not BG or the girls. It could in fact be that no one was there which would make it more interesting because someone told DG that. I think misdirection has been a problem here all along and when LE changed direction it was because of misdirection.

 

[tresir2012]

Yeah I have trouble with the idea that they came across illegal activity and were killed because of it.

First, it would have to be someone that knows they know who he is because if it's two stranger young teens, punch them in the face and leave. Worst they do is go to the cops and say "we saw some guy, this big, this color hair, doing whatever" and it'll be real hard to figure out who it was (see how hard it's been to find BG when there's VIDEO of him!!!).

Second, whatever the bad guy is doing, it has to be so bad he'd kill two kids to hide it, yet he's doing it someplace easily accessible in a public area.

And third, whatever he's doing has to be so bad that the girls would turn him in. Are two kids their age going to care so much about drug use they turn some guy in for it? Doubtful.

Ok so why were they killed?

 

[tresir2012]

Or it could have been a couple that were not BG or the girls. It could in fact be that no one was there which would make it more interesting because someone told DG that. I think misdirection has been a problem here all along and when LE changed direction it was because of misdirection.

Or there were no couple at all.

ETA sorry you did say that. There could also have been a group but witness only saw two. We have been told before by a local about BOB being a meeting place for drugs. BOB standing for bottom of bridge.

 

[gregjrichards]

It disturbs me that when I check on here every day most cases say ARREST and this one doesn't. I have a hard time understanding with an actual picture of the killer they still haven't arrested anyone. I feel like this was a planned attack and someone or many people are covering for him. Small towns usually have big secrets.

This is not an easy case it is going to take time. Unfortunately the monster has got lucky with the quality of the images and video taken if there had been a clear photo of his face he would have been caught long ago. I’m not being critical of Liberty in any way when I say this it is remarkable she was able to capture anything of the monster in the horrific situation the girl’s were in. I’m sure the video Liberty took will be used by the prosecution to help convict him one day. He has been “lucky” so far but his luck is going to run out.

 

[tresir2012]

I can def understand posters' frustration at this case seeming to be almost at a standstill (from our vantage point as non-LE, anyway) ...
... BUT ... I honestly don't understand why some posters' surmising that the "couple" seen under bridge (per witness' words, per DG) is thought by others here to be so outlandish.

I mean, unless you KNOW who (if anyone) was under the bridge, how can you scoff at the idea it could have been the girls, BG, or a combination thereof? It certainly COULD have been, ... no???

I think some posters just like to denigrate other's speculation, goodness knows why but if they want to do that, it's fine but it is against TOS to say things like "that's why I haven't posted on here" . Just don't post if that's what you want, don't tell us about it though.

 

[tresir2012]

This is not an easy case it is going to take time. Unfortunately the monster has got lucky with the quality of the images and video taken if there had been a clear photo of his face he would have been caught long ago. I’m not being critical of Liberty in any way when I say this it is remarkable she was able to capture anything of the monster in the horrific situation the girl’s were in. I’m sure the video Liberty took will be used by the prosecution to help convict him one day. He has been “lucky” so far but his luck is going to run out.

I agree Greg. Once they have caught him, which won't be long IMO, everyone will say "I can't believe he wasn't caught sooner".
LE have described him and he is in plain sight apparently, so they are just dotting I's and crossing T's till they can make the arrest. We need patience.
MOO.

 

[NameUser]

Ok so why were they killed?

So with the theory of coming across some illegal activity, is BG a part of the activity or just a random person they filmed. And if he was a part of the activity, did he bring them down to where it was happening to show them it was happening? How do they get off the bridge to seen something bad happening?

I don't know what happened and want to understand all points of view to better see through others eyes!

 

[tresir2012]

So with the theory of coming across some illegal activity, is BG a part of the activity or just a random person they filmed. And if he was a part of the activity, did he bring them down to where it was happening to show them it was happening? How do they get off the bridge to seen something bad happening?

I don't know what happened and want to understand all points of view to better see through others eyes!

BG is the killer according to LE. We know others were on the trails but we don't know exact times. We can tie the girls and BG to being on the bridge at a certain time and witnesses at the trails and bridge at certain times. Working out who was where exactly when and why, plus when/if they saw or were BG or accomplices is the bit that LE are trying to solve, so it is not surprising we can't fathom it as we don't even have half the detail that LE have. It is interesting to see others' theories, I agree.

 

[Mike Britton]

Here are some speculations on motive:

1. Just wanted to kill. Impossible to prove; motive can't be deduced.
2. Snapchat catfishing. We don't know about the status of the FBI's investigation into SM.
3. Prevent doxxing. We don't yet know the potential scenarios that would have triggered a double homicide.
4. Meth revenge killing.

 

[tresir2012]

Deleted dupe post.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

It disturbs me that when I check on here every day most cases say ARREST and this one doesn't. I have a hard time understanding with an actual picture of the killer they still haven't arrested anyone. I feel like this was a planned attack and someone or many people are covering for him. Small towns usually have big secrets.

Imagine, this secret, small town Delphi has, might be existing only since after the murders ....
I'm waiting for an arrest like you, rather impatiently.

 

[PezCandy]

I feel that this case is especially frustrating for many because LG took photo/videos of the BG, she had a reason to feel like she needed to do that. You would think that with that evidence that we do have and publicly know that he would have been positively identified and arrested, BUT no one can identify him, especially with the whole sketch ordeal. It’s a complicated case for sure. I’m speculating that they haven’t been able to match DNA that they do have (if they do have DNA, I’ve heard conflicting info on that aspect). I feel for the families and those poor girls. It’s a terrible situation.

 

[PezCandy]

Also we do have to remember that DNA can take a looong time to get processed, matched, etc.
There are more labs today than there were 10 years ago, but a lot of them are so backed up.

 

[Moonracer]

Did I really hear him say if you took off the head you'd know the body? Uncle, friend, co-worker etc etc?? Makes me think the sketch is not as important as recognizing the rest of the body.

I think he is EXCEPTIONALLY thin. Noticeable immediately when not disguised. Very stick-thin legs.

 

[MJPeony]

I think he is EXCEPTIONALLY thin. Noticeable immediately when not disguised. Very stick-thin legs.

5’6’’ to 5’ 10’’
180-220 pounds

I don’t see how BG could be exceptionally thin. JMO.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I kinda don’t think BG went after the girls because of something they saw, but who knows. It just seems to me that would only be relevant if the girls knew the guy and from the tiny bit we sort of kinda learned from what the girls said on the video, they didn’t appear to know him. Also, if they had seen BG doing something, it seems to me that seeing him coming toward them would have made them more than uncomfortable and concerned enough to film him. I would think in that case they would know why he was coming and would have run as opposed to waiting for him to clear the bridge so they could cross(just my thoughts on why they waited at the end of the bridge). Just my opinions.