Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #113

[tresir2012]

Yeah. I think it's possible with the right computer software to pinpoint the time based on angles, coordinates, date, etc., but without knowing exactly how GH put it together, I'm not going to rely 100% on it, either. From my interpretation he used Cheyenne's photo and ran comparisons based on the shadows.

For sure I think he and a lot of other people can approximate a time within a limited range, but I just don't know how accurate any of it is. Or exactly how the 2:07 was first determined, for that fact. Frustrating.

In the video he mentions the metadata of the photo. There are also longer versions on his channel whereby he goes into more detail probably. He does show in the short video how he does it. Did you watch all three especially the witness one?

 

[tresir2012]

You know I never really thought of that, the curly/wavy hair depicted in the sketch. I wonder if that is what that witness described or artistic liberty taken by the sketch artist? That is a big characteristic if true. The depicted thick wavy hair is distinctive and unless the guy has shaven his head would be a real identifying feature.

I don't think I've heard or read LE describe this guy as having wavy hair. Interesting though that it is what is shown in the sketch!

In the OBG sketch it was curly hair poking out from under the "not to be mentioned" IIRC

 

[tresir2012]

I’m still not confident about the SC time. It’s not going to be off by much, but the shadow time did not convince me. I still say between 1:45 or so and 2:07. I won’t go into a long SC explanation about it again I promise

Did you watch the three videos I posted? They aren't very long.

The witness states she took the photo on the bridge at 3pm but didn't upload to SC until she was back at her car at 3.49pm. GH explains this and shows that time is backed up by the shadow and how he worked it out. He does the same with Libby's SC pic of Abbey to make sure there was no delay in uploading to SC. Then he does the same with the video shadow of BG.

 

[TL4S]

In the video he mentions the metadata of the photo. There are also longer versions on his channel whereby he goes into more detail probably. He does show in the short video how he does it. Did you watch all three especially the witness one?

Admittedly, I didn't watch them all. GH may very well be right on with his computations. I respect that he knows a lot more about the subject than I do. But since he's on the outside looking in, as we all are, I can only put his information into the same category as everything else - guessing. It's all any of us can do at this point.

 

[Cutiekitty]

Did you watch the three videos I posted? They aren't very long.

The witness states she took the photo on the bridge at 3pm but didn't upload to SC until she was back at her car at 3.49pm. GH explains this and shows that time is backed up by the shadow and how he worked it out. He does the same with Libby's SC pic of Abbey to make sure there was no delay in uploading to SC. Then he does the same with the video shadow of BG.

I watched the one referencing the SC photo post time only. Since the SC photo time is used as the baseline for the rest of the timeline of events that was the only one I really cared about watching.

I know there was no lag time between LG taking the pic and posting it. You can tell by the way the pic looks regardless of shadows.

 

[Jeeps22]

I apologize to the members and administrators here at Websleuths. I had no idea that the other major forum is off limits here. It won't be brought up again.

 

[zoricaj1]

i cannot wait until this monster is behind bars....

 

[Cutiekitty]

In the video he mentions the metadata of the photo. There are also longer versions on his channel whereby he goes into more detail probably. He does show in the short video how he does it. Did you watch all three especially the witness one?

Meta data....I’m going to have to check out what he said.

 

[tresir2012]

Admittedly, I didn't watch them all. GH may very well be right on with his computations. I respect that he knows a lot more about the subject than I do. But since he's on the outside looking in, as we all are, I can only put his information into the same category as everything else - guessing. It's all any of us can do at this point.

It was a bit more than guessing. I recommend watching all three for anyone who has doubts about some of the times. They aren't very long.

 

[moonlessnight]

that's crazy she was there at 3pm and didn't see or hear anything.

Did you watch the three videos I posted? They aren't very long.

The witness states she took the photo on the bridge at 3pm but didn't upload to SC until she was back at her car at 3.49pm. GH explains this and shows that time is backed up by the shadow and how he worked it out. He does the same with Libby's SC pic of Abbey to make sure there was no delay in uploading to SC. Then he does the same with the video shadow of BG.

 

[tresir2012]

I watched the one referencing the SC photo post time only. Since the SC photo time is used as the baseline for the rest of the timeline of events that was the only one I really cared about watching.

I know there was no lag time between LG taking the pic and posting it. You can tell by the way the pic looks regardless of shadows.

The video of BG is analysed separately to the SC photos Libby took. The video did not upload via SC so GH independently checked the time of that to compare it to the time LE had put on the billboards.

With Libby's SC pics, how could you tell there was no lag, just out of interest?

 

[moonlessnight]

I have always assumed this has been discussed, but do any of you see the shadow in the trees in the picture of Abby on the bridge that appears to be a dark blue/black jacket and jeans that appears just to the right of the north end of the bridge trail (not the posts in front of the bridge access) when you're looking at the picture. The shadow would be just off to the left of the trail if you were standing at the trail looking south at the bridge. I know the shadow is pretty tall to be a person considering perspective, but it is very weird how it's in the shape of a tall person with the same clothes BG is wearing. Also, in reference to the posts at the bridge head, the legs of the shadow are actually in perspective size-wise. I think this is BG coming out of the woods and entering the bridge. It's not the shadow by the first platform that has been discussed. It's right by the bridge entrance.

I watched the one referencing the SC photo post time only. Since the SC photo time is used as the baseline for the rest of the timeline of events that was the only one I really cared about watching.

I know there was no lag time between LG taking the pic and posting it. You can tell by the way the pic looks regardless of shadows.

 

[tresir2012]

that's crazy she was there at 3pm and didn't see or hear anything.

Yes it is, isn't it. We have to assume they were killed before 3 p.m. based on that and not answering DG's call at 3.11 p.m don't we IMO?

 

[tresir2012]

I apologize to the members and administrators here at Websleuths. I had no idea that the other major forum is off limits here. It won't be brought up again.

No problem. I think one is allowed to say "go look at such and such" but we can't discuss it, I believe. But best to check TOS first.

 

[Justice101]

Love reading your all analysis.

Stepping back, I wonder if the perpetrator is in sort of a list of 5 suspects not able to be cleared yet that have been implicated but that they don't have a physical link to the crime scene.

I mean How can you NOT have suspects.. when you have video snapshots and his voice???!!!!

 

[Heaven Leigh]

I find it hard to think he is local to Delphi unless he is a hermit with no family or friends or neighbors. So strange that he would not have been caught by now if he lived in that area. Something else I was wondering is that snippet of him walking toward the girls is all they have of him. I wonder if Libby put her phone immediately away or is there more of him? I would think they would release more if they had it though.
Something has to give. This guy should not be walking the streets.

 

[Mike Britton]

I find it hard to think he is local to Delphi unless he is a hermit with no family or friends or neighbors. So strange that he would not have been caught by now if he lived in that area.

Since the investigation has changed to focus on a younger perp, peoples' minds are shifting from the OBG mentality to the new YBG. Once this happens and LE analysis begins really churning on younger individuals (at the time of the crime), we'll probably discover why he's been so hard to find.

No one likes to see young locals arrested. No one likes to see young people accused, their lives ruined. I think there's a lot of caution around this new investigative approach because it's easier for everyone to imagine BG as a transient, a meth addict, a hitman—all the profiles we've seen over and over. Edit - grammar

 

[woody32]

Sorry, late to the thread and have never posted before. Hope I am doing it right. Ran across this and thought it was interesting and very close to the date of the incident with the girls. This may have already been discussed, but thought I would still share it. Indianapolis is only an hour and half from Delphi.....please delete if this is not allowed.

Police arrest 2 men in connection with separate flashing incidents along Monon Trail

 

[Justice101]

I find it hard to think he is local to Delphi unless he is a hermit with no family or friends or neighbors. So strange that he would not have been caught by now if he lived in that area. Something else I was wondering is that snippet of him walking toward the girls is all they have of him. I wonder if Libby put her phone immediately away or is there more of him? I would think they would release more if they had it though.
Something has to give. This guy should not be walking the streets.

I am simply guess right now, but she was probably shaking a little and/or trying to keep the phone not so obvious to her side. Probably many many unusable blurry video. Got a couple of non blurred frames to piece together.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

I find it hard to think he is local to Delphi unless he is a hermit with no family or friends or neighbors. So strange that he would not have been caught by now if he lived in that area. Something else I was wondering is that snippet of him walking toward the girls is all they have of him. I wonder if Libby put her phone immediately away or is there more of him? I would think they would release more if they had it though.
Something has to give. This guy should not be walking the streets.

Quoted BBM

JMO and lots of 'ifs' here....

It may be that the attack immediately begins to take place after they have cropped the video and LE doesn't want to show it.....especially if Abby is still on the bridge heading toward Libby when BG pulls out a weapon (if that's the case.)

If he is approx 60-70 feet away when the video is shot, then there is still likely at least 5-10 seconds of video footage if Libby continued videoing before hiding her phone away.

I agree with your last sentence. He should be wearing an orange jumpsuit and getting ready for a needle to go in his arm.