Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #113

[tresir2012]

He didn’t not identify true north in the BG video. At approx 5:45 he states that BG is at the SE end of the bridge and the shadow angle is more north than straight across which would’ve been more 3 o’clock. At approx 7:05 he states that BGs shadow is more north than the lines on the bridge.

The bridge runs NW to SE according google earth. LG is taking the pic at a funky angle so it looks like the bridge runs NE to SW. the AW pic is more the way the bridge is oriented, but the angle LG took it is funky too.

I don’t think you can just orient the photos to point N and S and get accurate info. If he placed the bridge in its true orientation and determined north in relation to the bridge then assessed the shadow I think it would be more accurate. I do not have a program easily accessible that would allow me to manipulate the photo like his does. I do have an associate that does and I might have to hit him up. Kind of a unnecessary really because I’m confident LE knows the actual times.

I give him loads of credit for coming up with this. The theory is clever, I’m just not sure about the execution. Maybe his program somehow does all of this for him? Idk.

Edit: this is based on my understanding of how sundials work. They have to be oriented a certain way and 12 faces north

He does overlay a calculation tool on the map to work that out I believe. I don't have time to watch all 3 again. Maybe someone else can chime in who has watched it but I am confident he took the north position into account correctly as that is obvious. It does work like a sun dial. His times would be way out if he had not done it correctly IMO.

 

[Falling Down]

Love reading your all analysis.

Stepping back, I wonder if the perpetrator is in sort of a list of 5 suspects not able to be cleared yet that have been implicated but that they don't have a physical link to the crime scene.

I mean How can you NOT have suspects.. when you have video snapshots and his voice???!!!!

I've thought for some time now that some people in BG's life either suspect he was or could have been at the bridge that day, or they know he was. Pure speculation on my part of course, but then after the April PC I figured somebody has to know, with the "Guys", the sketch (if it's accurate), and the video that were released.

Justice101 great post. They must have a list by now, however a person or some people still may not have contacted LE.

I wish they'd release a description of the vehicle at the CPS building that day. There had to have been a bunch of people who saw it parked there, between roughly 11:30 AM or so, and roughly 3.

JMO

-FD

 

[Cutiekitty]

Look at all 3 videos I posted. He may have explained the north orientation on one of the other videos and I am misremembering.

Each one is a separate incident taken at a different angle. What was applied in one can’t be applied to all three. North is always going to be north, but compare the video and the SC. Both are supposed to have been taken facing the entrance to the bridge. Libby was not on the same side of the bridge when she took the pictures and the angle of the bridge is reversed.

This is blowing my mind BTW. AW and BG WERE walking towards the end of the bridge - The same direction at different times right?

 

[Falling Down]

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Edit: this is based on my understanding of how sundials work. They have to be oriented a certain way and 12 faces north

He entered the subject matter, i.e. the bridge he created in 3-D a while ago, plus the posts to create the shadows, and plugged it into the software. My guess is some of the data regarding the bridge could very well be plugged in from Google Earth, into the software he used for the shadows.

One key thing here is the shadows are conveniently almost parallel with the boards on the bridge, merely by chance. So between 2PM and 3PM on any given Feb. 13th of any year, the shadows will be a little off from parallel with the boards on the bridge.

JMO

-FD

 

[Cutiekitty]

He does overlay a calculation tool on the map to work that out I believe. I don't have time to watch all 3 again. Maybe someone else can chime in who has watched it but I am confident he took the north position into account correctly as that is obvious. It does work like a sun dial. His times would be way out if he had not done it correctly IMO.

I hope you don’t think I’m attacking you. I dont want to come off that way and it’s absolutely not my intention at all. The videos were a great find and his idea is very interesting.

There weren’t overlays in the short ones I saw which were the BG on the bridge one and the SC photo. I do not think he’s crazy off on the times. It’s hard to tell because we don’t have the full shadow - the bridge cuts it off.

 

[tresir2012]

I hope you don’t think I’m attacking you. I dont want to come off that way and it’s absolutely not my intention at all. The videos were a great find and his idea is very interesting.

There weren’t overlays in the short ones I saw which were the BG on the bridge one and the SC photo. I do not think he’s crazy off on the times. It’s hard to tell because we don’t have the full shadow - the bridge cuts it off.

No of course I don't think that. It wasn't a find as such. GH is an approved source for us to post and discuss and posters have been questioning these times for ever so this was a perfect way to prove the accuracy. It is GH you should address your questions to really not me. He does live phone in shows all the time and can answer your questions or you can email him.

Each one is a separate incident taken at a different angle. What was applied in one can’t be applied to all three. North is always going to be north, but compare the video and the SC. Both are supposed to have been taken facing the entrance to the bridge. Libby was not on the same side of the bridge when she took the pictures and the angle of the bridge is reversed.

This is blowing my mind BTW. AW and BG WERE walking towards the end of the bridge - The same direction at different times right?

It is the same day so the shadow angle shows the time. It is pretty straightforward and simple really. It makes no difference Libby was facing a different way on one of the bridge pics because then the shadow is a different way too, which he takes into account.

 

[Cutiekitty]

He entered the subject matter, i.e. the bridge he created in 3-D a while ago, plus the posts to create the shadows, and plugged it into the software. My guess is some of the data regarding the bridge could very well be plugged in from Google Earth, into the software he used for the shadows.

One key thing here is the shadows are conveniently almost parallel with the boards on the bridge, merely by chance. So between 2PM and 3PM on any given Feb. 13th of any year, the shadows will be a little off from parallel with the boards on the bridge.

JMO

-FD

Bbm - interesting! Is this the first time he’s addressed the shadows?

 

[Cutiekitty]

No of course I don't think that. It wasn't a find as such. GH is an approved source for us to post and discuss and posters have been questioning these times for ever so this was a perfect way to prove the accuracy. It is GH you should address your questions to really not me. He does live phone in shows all the time and can answer your questions or you can email him.


It is the same day so the shadow angle shows the time. It is pretty straightforward and simple really. It makes no difference Libby was facing a different way on one of the bridge pics because then the shadow is a different way too, which he takes into account.

I think I might just have to reach out to him. There hasn’t been anything new in awhile and this is very interesting to me.

Bbm - I do actually “get” this which is why I had some questions.

 

[Falling Down]

Bbm - interesting! Is this the first time he’s addressed the shadows?

AFAIK, yes.

-FD

 

[k-mac]

No of course I don't think that. It wasn't a find as such. GH is an approved source for us to post and discuss and posters have been questioning these times for ever so this was a perfect way to prove the accuracy. It is GH you should address your questions to really not me. He does live phone in shows all the time and can answer your questions or you can email him.

interacting with GH isn't that easy imo (ive tried.)
helps if your on the 'payroll" ....

moo

 

[ShHolmz]

Sorry, having trouble linking video but I have a question.
It is in reference to the video of the searchers in the creek taken by a news helicopter or a drone.
Can someone tell me why one search and rescue guy is in black but all the others are in orange?
Would he be the lead?
Thanks for any help

 

[Cutiekitty]

interacting with GH isn't that easy imo (ive tried.)
helps if your on the 'payroll" ....

moo

Thanks for the heads up! I’ll give it a shot and share any response.

 

[Cutiekitty]

interacting with GH isn't that easy imo (ive tried.)
helps if your on the 'payroll" ....

moo

Did you actually call in or email him?

 

[k-mac]

Did you actually call in or email him?

no never called.
that might be a successful avenue to try.

 

[PaulaDC]

I think this too otherwise why not show more video? I agree he likely pulls out a weapon which would give away COD. E.g. a knife or (more likely) a gun IMO. Another reason I believe a gun is because of the Colorado killing deemed by LE to have similarities to these murders. That was a .22 calibre weapon IIRC and is still unsolved.

Wasn't there an ax involved also?

 

[BNA]

Anybody know where and how to access any cease and desist orders (and things like that) issued in Indiana since the date of the murders?

 

[Hansen]

Could the two sketches be relatives of each other?

 

[distracted]

I have always assumed this has been discussed, but do any of you see the shadow in the trees in the picture of Abby on the bridge that appears to be a dark blue/black jacket and jeans that appears just to the right of the north end of the bridge trail (not the posts in front of the bridge access) when you're looking at the picture. The shadow would be just off to the left of the trail if you were standing at the trail looking south at the bridge. I know the shadow is pretty tall to be a person considering perspective, but it is very weird how it's in the shape of a tall person with the same clothes BG is wearing. Also, in reference to the posts at the bridge head, the legs of the shadow are actually in perspective size-wise. I think this is BG coming out of the woods and entering the bridge. It's not the shadow by the first platform that has been discussed. It's right by the bridge entrance.

Yes. It's blurry but once you see it, you can't unsee it. My eye goes right to it every time I look at that photo.

 

[Hansen]

Yes. It's blurry but once you see it, you can't unsee it. My eye goes right to it every time I look at that photo.

The snapchat photo?

 

[moonlessnight]

I assume it's a shadow, but it's eerily in the same shape and colors as BG, like literal foreshadowing by nature. enlarging it makes it too blurry to see anything. I don't think it would make the person too tall when you compare it to the poles in front of the bridge entrance. How high are they? they are about the same length as what would be legs in the shadow image. In my view, the shadow person is coming down a bank on the side of the trail, so he wouldn't really be that tall - he would just be on the edge of an incline making him higher than the trail.
the real height and thinness of BG is discernible in that picture, IMO (very tall and thin). I can even see his stride - left hand down by his left leg, which is crossing in front of the right one, right hand in pocket or on hip. even looks like a hood on his head.

if it isn't BG, what is it a shadow of? Maybe GH can figure that out.

Yes. It's blurry but once you see it, you can't unsee it. My eye goes right to it every time I look at that photo.