Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #114

[SilentRogue]

I don't think they were truly asking for the public's help... I think it was all a show for just a handful of people. To apply pressure.

Can I ask why you think that?

 

[stattlich1]

Having no knowledge of this case, and having NOT been on board since day one, it is my opinion that there may be no discrepancy in the two differing sketches. Rather, it is possibly there were two perps involved here. I sense a meetup was planned, guy on the bridge was expecting the girls, and the girls knew him. (my guess would be school personnel) "Down the hill" was the second perp, also known to the girls.

I don't think this was a random murder on the trail. I don't think it was a crime of opportunity. I think these girls went there that day knowing something was going down. I think they were murdered to cover up something else, another crime, to protect the perps, who remain in, or involved in, the local community.

Please understand my knowledge of the case literally pales in comparison to you veteran sleuths

 

[SilentRogue]

Also interested in the 92%

Perhaps this is just for Delphi?

I looked up carrol county, and there was no information available.

 

[Boxer]

Table 26

Here is the 2017 Midwest region clearance rate 51.6.
So solving this crime is a just an even chance.

Delphi is low crime but not especially so.

 

[Fizzle]

Can I ask why you think that?

Sure, you can ask. At first, I was skeptical when everyone was scrutinizing every single word from the PC and trying to attribute hidden meaning to it. Then I ran across a guy (or really 2) where everything seemed to make sense... everything that LE has said and presented, even in that odd PC in April of this year. Now, whether that suspicion has held up, who knows, but I believe they did have a specific POI in mind at the time. Maybe they've since ruled him out, or maybe they simply do not have enough evidence for arrest and conviction. MOO

 

[mjp1228]

One more thing about the “DNA” in this case. It was “fast tracked”.... Evidence was also sent to the GBI awhile ago. Perhaps that is where the “new” sketch evolved from? We’re already at the 2 & 1/2 year point. Idk what anyone here considers fast, but IMO, they just do not have what is needed to seal the deal. At least not without that “one tip”. MOO

I wonder if maybe they do have the info back, but haven’t been able to get a sample from the person they might suspect? And that’s a good point about the new sketch. I have seen forensic shows where they can use a DNA profile to come up with a sketch based on the genetic markers. That’s the only type of explanation that makes sense to me so far as to why OBG and NBG look so very different. JMO

 

[SilentRogue]

Table 26

Here is the 2017 Midwest region clearance rate 51.6.
So solving this crime is a just an even chance.

Delphi is low crime but not especially so.

That's year over year.

This case is going on 3 years cold - that 51% has substantially decreased. I'd day theres a 20% chance at this point this case is ever solved.

 

[sleuther0192837465]

I wonder if maybe they do have the info back, but haven’t been able to get a sample from the person they might suspect? And that’s a good point about the new sketch. I have seen forensic shows where they can use a DNA profile to come up with a sketch based on the genetic markers. That’s the only type of explanation that makes sense to me so far as to why OBG and NBG look so very different. JMO

Yes, Parabon. I don’t know. You’d think they would have went ahead & released it that way? I’m just not convinced they have it I’m just so flabbergasted as to what has happened with this case. MOO

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

Hi sleuther,

You mentioned the billboards with the sketch. Does anyone here remember exactly when the billboards went up? I thought it was March or April and the sketch of BG wasn’t released until July. My recollection was a still shot from Libby’s video was used, but it’s been over 2.5 years so I could be very wrong.

On the outside chance there were two people involved and each sketch is representative of one of them (ie one committed the crime, one was lookout or getaway drive), the girls’ families’ efforts wouldn’t have been a complete waste of time and resources, as they could potentially help identify one of the two people and lead LE to the other one. Maybe the glass is half full. Maybe I’m way off track.

I’m hoping the have the killer’s DNA. My fear is (if BG is actually a friend/ acquaintance/somehow known to one or both families) there is an innocent explanation for it being at the crime scene.

JMO
RIP M+J

It’s been 6 months since the PC with the “new” sketch being put out there. I am still in shock over that. The girls’ families, etc. spent so much time, effort & money putting out flyers with the “wrong” sketch on them...those flyers could still be floating around out there which means people have been looking for the wrong suspect all this time (not to mention those billboards). This is beyond frustrating to me, so I can not imagine how the families feel.
SOMETHING made LE go in this direction (thinking alibis). I sure would like to know what that something was, exactly. If they even had someone in mind, they could do what they did in the EAR/ONS/GSK case...they have not so that tells me they either do not have a suspect or they don’t have proper DNA. I think it’s the latter. MOO

 

[ACE422]

If the 2nd sketch is accurate, the perp is much younger than first thought. What about a young, fit athlete who may or may not be on some kind of steroids? Maybe rejection of his romantic advances threw him into a rage? A local star athlete who would be “protected” by many in the community if he were to come under suspicion?

 

[sleuther0192837465]

Hi sleuther,

You mentioned the billboards with the sketch. Does anyone here remember exactly when the billboards went up? I thought it was March or April and the sketch of BG wasn’t released until July. My recollection was a still shot from Libby’s video was used, but it’s been over 2.5 years so I could be very wrong.

On the outside chance there were two people involved and each sketch is representative of one of them (ie one committed the crime, one was lookout or getaway drive), the girls’ families’ efforts wouldn’t have been a complete waste of time and resources, as they could potentially help identify one of the two people and lead LE to the other one. Maybe the glass is half full. Maybe I’m way off track.

I’m hoping the have the killer’s DNA. My fear is (if BG is actually a friend/ acquaintance/somehow known to one or both families) there is an innocent explanation for it being at the crime scene.

JMO
RIP M+J

Linking this article for you RIP M + J:
ISP: First Delphi sketch is not POI in murders
"Now, as the investigation has matured and past information has been reassessed, it is the belief of investigators with the multi-agency task force that the person depicted in the sketch released on April 22 more accurately represents the person wanted for the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German."
MOO

 

[heartgoesout]

If the 2nd sketch is accurate, the perp is much younger than first thought. What about a young, fit athlete who may or may not be on some kind of steroids? Maybe rejection of his romantic advances threw him into a rage? A local star athlete who would be “protected” by many in the community if he were to come under suspicion?

Anything is possible at this point.

 

[RIP Meagan + Johnny]

Thanks, sleuther!!

Linking this article for you RIP M + J:
ISP: First Delphi sketch is not POI in murders
"Now, as the investigation has matured and past information has been reassessed, it is the belief of investigators with the multi-agency task force that the person depicted in the sketch released on April 22 more accurately represents the person wanted for the murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German."
MOO

 

[Blueberry2720]

I have. I don't see it.

Agree 110%. Unless we have the wrong pic.

 

[beandawgs]

So sorry about your acquaintance. Good for you to run. Throw your purse or keys one direction and take off in the opposite direction. My fear is I would freeze. The 2 girls may have had two different responses. One ran and one froze. The one who ran realized she could not leave the other with the monster. Very brave girl if it went down like that

i meant in no way to pass judgement on how the girls responded- unfortunately having first hand knowledge of my poor friends mothers kidnapping I learned once they have you under their control, in their car, etc you’re as good as dead, id rather they kill me right then And there ...

 

[sunshineray]

Interesting.

If the girls put on those clothes freshly that morning , then there would be very limited touch DNA on it (other than perhaps the actual 2 searchers who actually found their bodies). Those 2 people would be expected to have DNA on the girl(s). The other expected ones would be family members.

Wasn't there a picture shown on WS of Abby when she visited her grandpa the day or two before her murder? She had on the same top as in the bridge photo Libby took of her. I believe they stayed in a hotel also, on that get together. So touch DNA galore.

Edit: One or both of the girls borrowed outerwear from KG too...more touch DNA from her car also.

 

[Spartygirl]

If the 2nd sketch is accurate, the perp is much younger than first thought. What about a young, fit athlete who may or may not be on some kind of steroids? Maybe rejection of his romantic advances threw him into a rage? A local star athlete who would be “protected” by many in the community if he were to come under suspicion?

This actually happened where I live. He was a very athletic, popular HS guy who ended up being a serial rapist and the last girl was killed by him.
He was at my 16th surprise birthday party as we were all friends with him. My mom even worked with his mom.
We were SHOCKED to find out it was him.
HEY...@SilentRogue-- you think this one would sell .. maybe a book also??
It is true life and does happen and is really not that far fetched of a theory.

 

[ACE422]

This actually happened where I live. He was a very athletic, popular HS guy who ended up being a serial rapist and the last girl was killed by him.
He was at my 16th surprise birthday party as we were all friends with him. My mom even worked with his mom.
We were SHOCKED to find out it was him.
HEY...@SilentRogue-- you think this one would sell .. maybe a book also??
It is true life and does happen and is really not that far fetched of a theory.

I’ve seen a similar case as well, which is partially what made me think of this scenario with the girls. So many communities are “shocked” when a crime reveals that someone is literally leading a double life. When the docile sheep sheds its cover and reveals a treacherous wolf, it’s easier to believe that one is suffering delusions rather than face the ugly truth that evil exists within them.

 

[SilentRogue]

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I don't have any POI's.

It's hard to have a theory, based on how little info we have.

I've speculated previously that this assailant must have been comfortable, as two captives is not easy for anyone, even someone with training. This comfort either came from experience, or some other factor we are not aware of (they were tethered, cuffed, etc..).

Further, if there was simply a target, Abby or Libby, they'd try to isolate the intended target - not assault them together.

The above being said, I posit this was a killer with experience, and no personal vendetta against either victim

Further, I think law enforcement has nothing. That press conference on 4/22 was out of desperation. That was an appeal for information. That was the dying breath of an investigation with nowhere else to go, throwing a hail mary - so to speak.

This case is going to be solved by one or more of few things:

1) Someone deciding to finally come forward and make a disclosure they hadn't previously made;

2) Law enforcement making a breakthrough based on information they already have;

3) Assailant confessing to law enforcement or a third-party who subsequently reports the statement to law enforcement;

3a) Assailant being caught for another crime, and subsequently confessing to being the man commonly referred to as BG.

Public appeal has done it's job, and it very likely won't do anything else. Another update serves to satisfy the curious, but this case is more than a story that we need an ending to. It's an investigation of a double murder for two young girls, who deserve justice.

 

[JDough]

Won't it be wonderful when we wake up one day soon, log-on, and see ARREST written on the top of this thread?