Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #114

[JDough]

I cannot even begin to imagine the sheer terror of receiving a cancer diagnosis when the killer of my daughter/granddaughter has not been brought to justice.

My heart just aches for these families. It is a true testament of their courage and strength to rally around one another to support Becky, while keeping the focus on catching a killer.

I believe you will see this happen, Becky; you are a strong and amazing woman. All of us here want to see that happen for you!

 

[Mike Britton]

BG is not tall.

The footage seems to be demonstrating lens distortion issues that widen the subject. Kind of like the "everyone looks fatter on TV" phenomenon. When I place frame 47 of the video sequence into Photoshop and visually correct the aspect ratio to offset this (an imperfect process), the result is a thinner, taller offender.

 

[susiQ]

I've often thought during these past few months that something is throwing a wrench into this investigation and have cited "plausible deniability" as a possibility. Whether scanty DNA, too much DNA, or having a "reason" for being at the trail and bridge area that day, whatever. Even cell phone location data can be explained away in such a small area.

I believe the killer is local (as do LE), is an accepted member of the Delphi community (in plain sight) and even though his DNA may have shown up or other possible evidence, there was a simple way to explain it away and it was accepted.....initially. Then, something came to light through thousands of hours of pouring over old info, fresh tips and new avenues of investigation, that just maybe the plausible deniability explanation just doesn't cut it anymore. TOO MANY "coincidinky" things that have become more difficult to ignore?

Some of us have used some coincidinky things to support our suspected POI's, myself included. This case has so many back stories where one could find motive and numerous coincidences, but I keep coming back to that PC. If my POI doesn't fit that PC and subsequent statements made by LE, he's likely not THEIR POI.

TL "let the cat out of the bag" recently stating that it will likely be a "shock" to the community. They received their first shock since the murders at the April PC judging by the reaction of those present. It appears TL is bracing them for the next one. May it come soon! JMHO.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I've often thought during these past few months that something is throwing a wrench into this investigation and have cited "plausible deniability" as a possibility. Whether scanty DNA, too much DNA, or having a "reason" for being at the trail and bridge area that day, whatever. Even cell phone location data can be explained away in such a small area.

I believe the killer is local (as do LE), is an accepted member of the Delphi community (in plain sight) and even though his DNA may have shown up or other possible evidence, there was a simple way to explain it away and it was accepted.....initially. Then, something came to light through thousands of hours of pouring over old info, fresh tips and new avenues of investigation, that just maybe the plausible deniability explanation just doesn't cut it anymore. TOO MANY "coincidinky" things that have become more difficult to ignore?

Some of us have used some coincidinky things to support our suspected POI's, myself included. This case has so many back stories where one could find motive and numerous coincidences, but I keep coming back to that PC. If my POI doesn't fit that PC and subsequent statements made by LE, he's likely not THEIR POI.

TL "let the cat out of the bag" recently stating that it will likely be a "shock" to the community. They received their first shock since the murders at the April PC judging by the reaction of those present. It appears TL is bracing them for the next one. May it come soon! JMHO.

100% agree with all of this!

 

[susiQ]

Just contemplating something else that reached out to grab me while watching an unapproved source Nothing earth shattering, but supports the notion LE are onto something that slipped by them the first time around.

On the first anniversary of this horrible crime, DC is asked by a reporter, "Have you been able to clear anybody in this case?" to which DC responded, "I think that the people that we have talked to at this point in time, we feel confident (bbm) that there was no involvement."

Fast forward to April 22, 2019 and that's not what he's saying. DC stated, "....we likely have interviewed you or someone close to you...."

 

[sunshineray]

Just contemplating something else that reached out to grab me while watching an unapproved source Nothing earth shattering, but supports the notion LE are onto something that slipped by them the first time around.

On the first anniversary of this horrible crime, DC is asked by a reporter, "Have you been able to clear anybody in this case?" to which DC responded, "I think that the people that we have talked to at this point in time, we feel confident (bbm) that there was no involvement."

Fast forward to April 22, 2019 and that's not what he's saying. DC stated, "....we likely have interviewed you or someone close to you...."

Don't forget, when pressed in the most recent Flora PC about whether the Delphi family members have all being cleared, ISP Carter replied, "the vast majority have been cleared"

Scroll down to bottom of article, at 19:08 on video.

ISP on family of 4 girls killed in 2016 Flora house fire: ‘They’ve not offered themselves to sit down with us’

 

[susiQ]

Don't forget, when pressed in the most recent Flora PC about whether the Delphi family members have all being cleared, ISP Carter replied, "the vast majority have been cleared"

Scroll down to bottom of article, at 19:08 on video.

ISP on family of 4 girls killed in 2016 Flora house fire: ‘They’ve not offered themselves to sit down with us’

Ahhh yes, I do remember that one now that you mention it! Makes one go hmmmmm.............

eta: I'm not convinced they are looking at family at this point, but I'm sure his response raised a few eyebrows .

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I've often thought during these past few months that something is throwing a wrench into this investigation and have cited "plausible deniability" as a possibility. Whether scanty DNA, too much DNA, or having a "reason" for being at the trail and bridge area that day, whatever. Even cell phone location data can be explained away in such a small area.

I believe the killer is local (as do LE), is an accepted member of the Delphi community (in plain sight) and even though his DNA may have shown up or other possible evidence, there was a simple way to explain it away and it was accepted.....initially. Then, something came to light through thousands of hours of pouring over old info, fresh tips and new avenues of investigation, that just maybe the plausible deniability explanation just doesn't cut it anymore. TOO MANY "coincidinky" things that have become more difficult to ignore?

Some of us have used some coincidinky things to support our suspected POI's, myself included. This case has so many back stories where one could find motive and numerous coincidences, but I keep coming back to that PC. If my POI doesn't fit that PC and subsequent statements made by LE, he's likely not THEIR POI.

TL "let the cat out of the bag" recently stating that it will likely be a "shock" to the community. They received their first shock since the murders at the April PC judging by the reaction of those present. It appears TL is bracing them for the next one. May it come soon! JMHO.

Totally agree with this. I have learned a lot about a lot of things since I’ve been following this case. I’ve rode lots of “breaking news” roller coasters and jumped on a lot of POI bandwagons. I think your criteria for sorting out POI, etc at this point in time...does it pass the April PC test...is rather brilliant. Count me as an adherent!

 

[ACE422]

Most medical gloves in use these days are made of nitrile (often blue or purple in color) due to the increase in latex allergy caused by high-protein, powdered latex gloves of the early AIDS era when (often inferior) glove manufacturing went through the roof. If one were to go to a store to purchase latex gloves in a small qty, those are often tan in color so could be mistaken for plain skin. The cheap clear gloves used in some food services wouldn't last a minute, too thin and slippery. Looks like BG's skin to me or tan latex.

It depends on where you purchase them from. The medical gloves we use at work are durable, yet clear. From a distance (especially such as in the grainy video of BG), you likely would not be able to tell if one was wearing these gloves, especially if the cuffs were not visible.

 

[Boxer]

It depends on where you purchase them from. The medical gloves we use at work are durable, yet clear. From a distance (especially such as in the grainy video of BG), you likely would not be able to tell if one was wearing these gloves, especially if the cuffs were not visible.

MOO the CSI savvy if true starts to bring the assailant's age way down in my opinion.
Avoiding tracking on own phone and Libby's phone, not leaving DNA, wearing gloves, wearing a 'everyman' clothes, counting on seclusion in broad daylight for privacy, using untraceable commuincations if he did communicate in advance, traveling to and from the CS without getting spotted on security cams, planning in and out routes in the CS area that worked. Athletic and plenty of endurance to carry it all off.

 

[zoricaj1]

Let us pray that tomorrow is the day!!!
R.I.P Abby&Libby

 

[susiQ]

MOO the CSI savvy if true starts to bring the assailant's age way down in my opinion.
Avoiding tracking on own phone and Libby's phone, not leaving DNA, wearing gloves, wearing a 'everyman' clothes, counting on seclusion in broad daylight for privacy, using untraceable commuincations if he did communicate in advance, traveling to and from the CS without getting spotted on security cams, planning in and out routes in the CS area that worked. Athletic and plenty of endurance to carry it all off.

I can't agree. Someone who has a friend that's in some LE agency may be just as knowledgable with respect to CSI and not necessarily all that young. I'm not young and I know that you can prevent being tracked by wrapping up your phone in tinfoil a couple of times. Try it. It's a cheap and effective faraday cage. While turning off your location service doesn't prevent being tracked, a faraday cage will. With respect to energy and stamina, I know many men in their 50's and 60's that can outdo their children when it comes to athleticism.
So there's that JMHO

 

[ACE422]

I just saw the news about Liberty’s Grandmother fighting cancer it is absolutely heartbreaking what Becky and her family are going through with the severe stress of cancer and Abigail and Liberty’s case. My thoughts and prayers are with them always.

Unfortunately severe stress can tank your immune system and destroy your body’s natural ability to kill off things like cancer cells. How unbelievably sad for this family. I will keep her in my prayers for healing along with continued prayers for justice for the girls and their families.
#cancersucks

 

[ACE422]

I can't agree. Someone who has a friend that's in some LE agency may be just as knowledgable with respect to CSI and not necessarily all that young. I'm not young and I know that you can prevent being tracked by wrapping up your phone in tinfoil a couple of times. Try it. It's a cheap and effective faraday cage. While turning off your location service doesn't prevent being tracked, a faraday cage will. With respect to energy and stamina, I know many men in their 50's and 60's that can outdo their children when it comes to athleticism.
So there's that JMHO

A family member of law enforcement would also have knowledge of DNA/CSI. A family member of an immoral LE agent could potentially have an accessory for concealing a crime. MOO

 

[Boxer]

I can't agree. Someone who has a friend that's in some LE agency may be just as knowledgable with respect to CSI and not necessarily all that young. I'm not young and I know that you can prevent being tracked by wrapping up your phone in tinfoil a couple of times. Try it. It's a cheap and effective faraday cage. While turning off your location service doesn't prevent being tracked, a faraday cage will. With respect to energy and stamina, I know many men in their 50's and 60's that can outdo their children when it comes to athleticism.
So there's that JMHO

MOO if the man on the bridge is as he looks physically - pot bellied with atrophied legs, epuls it make sense for him to commit a crime requiring so much walking?

 

[Cutiekitty]

I can't agree. Someone who has a friend that's in some LE agency may be just as knowledgable with respect to CSI and not necessarily all that young. I'm not young and I know that you can prevent being tracked by wrapping up your phone in tinfoil a couple of times. Try it. It's a cheap and effective faraday cage. While turning off your location service doesn't prevent being tracked, a faraday cage will. With respect to energy and stamina, I know many men in their 50's and 60's that can outdo their children when it comes to athleticism.
So there's that JMHO

Actually a person with access to the internet and a little bit of common sense, regardless of age, would have knowledge in respect to CSI.

I do think BG is on the younger end of the age range though.

 

[Boxer]

Actually a person with access to the internet and a little bit of common sense, regardless of age, would have knowledge in respect to CSI.

I do think BG is on the younger end of the age range though.

I agree that many omder guys cluld pull ot off, but for me the total of his CSI caution and the. athleticism to me, seems like he was raised watching CSI.

 

[Torch Carrier]

I think y'all are giving BG way too much credit. BG left no evidence? I doubt it. LE likely has evidence we just know nothing about.
As far as why a potbellied man with atrophied legs would commit such a crime ... well, IF he is truly potbellied and IF he truly has atrophied legs, I am thinking that when he approached the girls on the bridge initially it was not with the intent to murder them but that things unravelled such that he ended up killing both girls so as not to leave a witness. Just some thoughts tonight ... I just don't think BG is such a genius. I also think there may have been other reasons he was trying to intercept the girls and it all got out of hand resulting in this horrific crime.

 

[BNA]

I think y'all are giving BG way too much credit. BG left no evidence? I doubt it. LE likely has evidence we just know nothing about.
As far as why a potbellied man with atrophied legs would commit such a crime ... well, IF he is truly potbellied and IF he truly has atrophied legs, I am thinking that when he approached the girls on the bridge initially it was not with the intent to murder them but that things unravelled such that he ended up killing both girls so as not to leave a witness. Just some thoughts tonight ... I just don't think BG is such a genius. I also think there may have been other reasons he was trying to intercept the girls and it all got out of hand resulting in this horrific crime.

Certainly possible that he is a short-fuse guy who got ticked off at them for some reason. I was thinking the same thing just yesterday, in fact.

 

[sunshineray]

I think y'all are giving BG way too much credit. BG left no evidence? I doubt it. LE likely has evidence we just know nothing about.
As far as why a potbellied man with atrophied legs would commit such a crime ... well, IF he is truly potbellied and IF he truly has atrophied legs, I am thinking that when he approached the girls on the bridge initially it was not with the intent to murder them but that things unravelled such that he ended up killing both girls so as not to leave a witness. Just some thoughts tonight ... I just don't think BG is such a genius. I also think there may have been other reasons he was trying to intercept the girls and it all got out of hand resulting in this horrific crime.

I respectfully disagree about BG's intent not being murder when he approached the girls. I think his mind was made up to murder before he even started to cross that bridge. The only thing that would have changed it was if someone had come up behind him. He quickly got those girls down below the bridge area. LE has said the girls died not long after Libby took his picture. Murder was his plan, IMO