Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #114

[Grateful4goose]

I agree that many omder guys cluld pull ot off, but for me the total of his CSI caution and the. athleticism to me, seems like he was raised watching CSI.

I kmmm

 

[Torch Carrier]

Today is the day.

 

[ScumbagTrav]

Today is the day.

Feel like ive seen this exact post before.

 

[susiQ]

Feel like ive seen this exact post before.

And you'll continue to see it until the dirt bag that did this is behind bars.
Let today, BE THE DAY!!

 

[TheVisual]

The footage seems to be demonstrating lens distortion issues that widen the subject. Kind of like the "everyone looks fatter on TV" phenomenon. When I place frame 47 of the video sequence into Photoshop and visually correct the aspect ratio to offset this (an imperfect process), the result is a thinner, taller offender.

Has anyone looked at the reverse photo of BG that a certain popular youtuber(RG) has on his youtube site? It was originally on here on the image page way back before it was closed. I have gone back to find it but it is gone(x'd out like so many of the photos in there) when they redid the whole Websleuths pages. Did anyone screenshot the picture? I believe it reveals a lot. JMO

 

[JnRyan]

I don't believe LE has ever really stated they have DNA and if they have it has only been once or twice. I know when the lead investigator, 1st Sgt Holeman, was asked if they have DNA, he stated something to the effect that almost every crime scene has DNA. IOW, he didn't state EXACTLY that LE has DNA here, but he inferred that DNA was likely found.

I've often wondered when in other cases LE states that they have DNA, why LE has been elusive with this answer. I think LE has DNA, but they just don't know if they have the killer's DNA. In a case where the killer has an injury - skin under the victims fingernails or killer's blood at the scene - or semen in the case of a rape, LE has a very good idea that this is likely the killer's DNA. 1st Sgt Holeman in that same interview stated that 'touch' DNA is a very powerful tool now. However, the problem with touch DNA is that it is, at best, circumstantial. Just because LE has an unidentified touch DNA on the victim that doesn't mean it is the killer's DNA. There could be an innocent reason for that DNA to be there. That person touched them by accident in a store or restaurant, they picked up the victim's sweatshirt off the floor and handed it to them or any other number of reasons that have nothing to do with the crime. And LE may have more than one unidentified touch DNA.

LE can have an entity such Parabon Labs work up a facial profile of the unidentified DNA. But what good would it do if the face belongs to the guy behind the counter of a store who was at work when the murder took place?

 

[ScumbagTrav]

Has anyone looked at the reverse photo of BG that a certain popular youtuber(RG) has on his youtube site? It was originally on here on the image page way back before it was closed. I have gone back to find it but it is gone(x'd out like so many of the photos in there) when they redid the whole Websleuths pages. Did anyone screenshot the picture? I believe it reveals a lot. JMO

I have no recollection of a reversed photo of BG. Interesting. Is it altered or an original image?

 

[holtzmann]

I have no recollection of a reversed photo of BG. Interesting. Is it altered or an original image?

my quick edit flipping the canvas horizontally. no other retouchings or alterations.

 

[JenniD]

Let today be the day!! I was not on this case from the beginning as many of you have been and only started around the time of the April PC. With that in mind I never saw the original sketch and only saw the video in April and the NBG sketch. Many of you struggle to believe the killer is a younger guy while I who never had the original sketch implanted in my brain very easily see a younger guy in the video. In fact he looks very much like my POI I don’t necessarily connect the NBG sketch to the likeness in the video
I guess we all see things differently

 

[Gracie55]

Ok. I noticed a connection that struck me as curious. I don't want to get in trouble so I'm not including named and later reference the article where I noticed the connection. I also refer to previous posts. I don't know how to "bump" posts so I will just refer to the date, around Sep 5, 2019. A local business was mentioned, a query. Did one of the girls work there? Thus same place hosted a fund raiser noted in several articles in the news not long after the murders.
A bit later in my readings I noticed a poster talking about a highway shutdown on Fb 27 17 near the bridge. (Searching something?) A guy who was on probation that lived near the shutdown was reported by the probation crew to have had a beer at this eating establishment, breaking his probation on the same date. Again I don't know how to "bump" this.
Why would he flaunt the probation guidelines, and at this particular Gathering:eating place, on that date, when something was going on near his home?
Court docs: Property owner visited dump on day of Delphi killings
Also jailed again for driving a vehicle parked across the street, per article. Hm. Was this the type car the were asking about sightings for?
Strike me down oh gods of WS if my questions overstep the guidelines and I pray forgiveness in advance. But my questions remain.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

How does someone come up with a POI based on the information we have?

IMO, if you have sleuthed this case based on the info provided and then gone outside of WS to look some more, there is an abundance of POI's right in Delphi, let alone Carroll County.

If you go state wide, then the pool gets frighteningly massive.

Once you start to look at all of the info provided and sleuth outside, you can most likely eliminate or include some of these POI's and shrink the pool.

There are many POI's out there that visually align with both sketches and the video, some of whom have connections to the families, others who have connected or inserted themselves to the case in other ways since the day the girls went missing. These are the people I looked at. Hard. A select few of which are still under my own magnifying glass.

Of course we the public are not privy to anything that LE has in the way of evidence or anything related to the CS, but we can still sleuth based on the public info available from both LE and via other avenues and make our own private determinations about who is a 'viable' suspect and who is not based on what we have learned.

All JMO

 

[Mike Britton]

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my quick edit flipping the canvas horizontally. no other retouchings or alterations.

Nice to get a new angle on things. I attached my version with a couple insets to highlight the hair and young appearance. This guy got so lucky with the video! In trying to capture motion better, the camera creates artifacts. In one frame, the offender looks like Darth Maul with his hood up.

 

[Boxer]

MOO
I thought these girls should be safe on a proudly built Rail Trail, in their rural area town. But after looking through the area, it is in sliding transition from small independent farms to something else.
It looks like the farmers with some initiative are moving to cut flowers, but many of the heirs to these farms and the dependent businesses and towns apparently are really dissipated with meth, child molesting, domestic violence and DWI.
I think Indiana should confront this head on and discuss and plan what they're doing in these rural areas which are just becoming criminal hotbeds.
Abby and Libby should have been safe but in reality they were surrounded by lowlifes.

 

[Mike Britton]

Can anyone confirm Libby was being contacted by a Snapchat user saying he was 19? Does anyone know the username of the 19-year-old Snapchat user rumored to have been contacting her?

 

[JDough]

The footage seems to be demonstrating lens distortion issues that widen the subject. Kind of like the "everyone looks fatter on TV" phenomenon. When I place frame 47 of the video sequence into Photoshop and visually correct the aspect ratio to offset this (an imperfect process), the result is a thinner, taller offender.

This is fascinating to me, Mike. How tall do you believe the perpetrator is?

 

[tresir2012]

I can imagine when today IS the day.

Hoping for you Becky.

 

[TheVisual]

I have no recollection of a reversed photo of BG. Interesting. Is it altered or an original image?

I believe it was an original photo but reversed. I don' think you were on here when it came up on the image thread.

 

[Boxer]

I am going to say.
MOO That there is a generation brought now up within a new crime solving with DNA, parabon sketches, trace evidence, and plentiful security cameras-
Hyper trace evidence awareness and knowledge of police procedures and capabilities, as shown by an assailant like Patterson. he shaved his head, did many things to avoid leaving evidence, shot the father through the door, and got out before police response could get there.
A first time murderer can be very competent.
In the past a similar thing happened, I am sure with fingerprints, that for a awhile police could solve cases easily till the criminals caught up with the fact they needed to wear gloves.

As for CSI being a fiction, I have watched a few times and the show seemed to be using known police lab techniques within the genre of "police procdural" action drama.
Fiction storyline framed within known investigative techniques.

Sadly, half of murders are solved in any case.

 

[NameUser]

I tend to agree that if someone watched CSI they could be more aware of possible evidence they might leave behind. Yes CSI is television and speeds things up/cuts things out/adds aspects as needed to make it interesting, but there are certain grains of truth to many methods they use on the show.

It cannot be emphatically ruled out that watching a crime show could not provide influence in how a crime is committed. I happen to believe in this case specifically it was not taken into account, but I would not be able to completely rule it out.

 

[Cutiekitty]

I tend to agree that if someone watched CSI they could be more aware of possible evidence they might leave behind. Yes CSI is television and speeds things up/cuts things out/adds aspects as needed to make it interesting, but there are certain grains of truth to many methods they use on the show.

It cannot be emphatically ruled out that watching a crime show could not provide influence in how a crime is committed. I happen to believe not in this case specifically was it not taken into account, but I would not be able to completely rule it out.

I think shows like CSI, The Wire, etc... (you guys know the type of shows I’m talking about) provide people with some exposure to the types of things LE and forensics might look for or do during an investigation. They aren’t a step by step investigative guide by any means, but some of the things they show aren’t that far off from how a case might be worked. The true crime shows like the documentary type ones give even more exposure. The Internet gives the most.