Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #121

[Deleted member 102539]

I can't find the link to the array of photos made from the short BG video. In a couple of those stop photos I saw what seemed to be a white line around bottom area of one of BG's boots.

It looked like, to me, that it could possible be ...

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White line= yes, I see it. But I believe, BG is wearing no chunky rubber boots. I may be wrong of course!

Yesterday I searched for the shoes in the section "sports, vintage, GDR" - so long without success as usual. (No, I don't think, BG is a compatriot!)

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I can't find the link to the array of photos made from the short BG video. In a couple of those stop photos I saw what seemed to be a white line around bottom area of one of BG's boots.

It looked like, to me, that it could possible be ...

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White line= yes, I see it in Libby's video. But I believe, BG is wearing no chunky rubber boots. I may be wrong of course!

Yesterday I searched for the shoes in the section "sports, vintage, GDR" - so long without success as usual. (No, I don't think, BG is a compatriot!)

 

[tresir2012]

Why not? They had been there before. Unfortunately, this time they were murdered.

When I was about their age, my friends and I would hang out at a place we called Four Corners. From what I remember it was an area where two canals intersected. We would walk along the walls and jump into the water to swim. But we would also just hand out there to hang out. There wasn't much to do in town and it we could be crazy kids without adults looking over our shoulder. IDK, to me, there being there is unusual. JMO

Abby was not allowed on the bridge. It was the first time she had been on it. When Anna saw the SC of her on the bridge she said. "She is so grounded"

 

[Yemelyan]

I think it's interesting that for a period there were several SA's in the area..would like to know if all these cases were resolved. how many breaking and entering, peeping toms etc.

you can probably find more crimes on my city block than in all of Delphi at any given time.

would be interesting if LE thinks this loser could be responsible for other crimes in the area.

I mean if he's local, If he's not , he could have hit in surrounding areas..I wonder what the rape kit backlog looks like for Indiana. mOO

Re: rape kit backlog, in 2017 there were almost 5,000 untested kits in Indiana.

http://www.endthebacklog.org/indiana

 

[Justice101]

Respectfully extracted snippets of your post for focus and commentary response.

I don't hear any reluctance in his voice. I hear an emotionally flat affect; someone lacking empathetic response. He was a killing machine, issuing operational directives to his prey. *Operational*. Someone familiar with operational maneuvers within an organization whether military, public safety, or similar operational capacities.

This guy came well prepared, and seemingly executed a bold capture where discovery was high risk. I ponder whether he had traps of sorts set up to alert him of anyone approaching. It wouldn't surprise me. And, I am completely convinced that one of the girls was catfished; that this was a prearranged meeting.

We will treat him with a similar lack of empathy during court proceedings.

Amateur opinion and speculation

I think that his voice reflects he wanted to be firm but not be loud enough to either be heard by other people or loud enough to make the girls scream.

 

[Ozoner]

I am thinking that Libby knew she would get Abby in trouble by uploading that photo so why did she do it. If your daughter posted up a pic of her friend doing something she shouldn't do, why would she do that? Libby was allowed to be there but not Abby.

Teenagers don't care whether their friends get in trouble any more than they care about doing what they're told. If anything, they think it's funny to get their friends in trouble.

 

[JnRyan]

I just saw something that seems to put things in an interesting light. In 2018, on the 1o year mark of the unsolved Lane Bryant murders in Tinley Park IL, LE stated they had received 5K in tips. And one investigator stated they believed the "one tip" was in there.
10 Years Later: The Lane Bryant Murders Still Haunt Tinley Park

We are just over the 3 year mark here and LE has 10 times that many tips.

 

[Dotrat]

Abby was not allowed on the bridge. It was the first time she had been on it. When Anna saw the SC of her on the bridge she said. "She is so grounded"

What if it was a case of Libby leaving a message of , "this is where we are just in case"... What if they had already had some sort of "run in" with BG and she wanted to give a location even if it would get her friend in trouble. (Not too sure if parents grandparents were able to see her snapchats or just people that "followed her stories". ) So if the horrendous crime did not happen, none of the parents would see snapchat and Abby would not be found out or get grounded. All MOO
What we know is that these girls are heroes and they deserve justice, make today the day!

 

[Ozoner]

What if it was a case of Libby leaving a message of , "this is where we are just in case"... What if they had already had some sort of "run in" with BG and she wanted to give a location even if it would get her friend in trouble. (Not too sure if parents grandparents were able to see her snapchats or just people that "followed her stories". ) So if the horrendous crime did not happen, none of the parents would see snapchat and Abby would not be found out or get grounded. All MOO
What we know is that these girls are heroes and they deserve justice, make today the day!

What if it was a case of Libby leaving a message of , "this is where we are just in case"... What if they had already had some sort of "run in" with BG and she wanted to give a location even if it would get her friend in trouble. (Not too sure if parents grandparents were able to see her snapchats or just people that "followed her stories". ) So if the horrendous crime did not happen, none of the parents would see snapchat and Abby would not be found out or get grounded. All MOO
What we know is that these girls are heroes and they deserve justice, make today the day!

Naah. BG targeted the bridge as the location of his trap and waited for apt victims to step into it. A spider doesn't target a particular fly when it spins its web.

 

[Dotrat]

Naah. BG targeted the bridge as the location of his trap and waited for apt victims to step into it. A spider doesn't target a particular fly when it spins its web.

For sure I think he needed/wanted to use the bridge, but it could be possible he already passed them on it once and that may have gotten the girls attention to be uneasy. And knowing that Libby recorded him made me just wonder if she made sure she had record of where they were just in case.
Again just my own thoughts

 

[Ursamajr]

My opinion - BG is a person that held/holds a position of authority. Whether that is a respected teacher in the community, a pastor, local government or... law enforcement, I am not sure. I believe that there is a good chance that BG had/has high public approval standings. If he were accused without 100% certainty and with strong evidence to back that accusation, there would be a a chance of strong public reaction defending him. That reaction might cause a delay in taking him into custody or holding him without bail which then would lead to fleeing the area. I believe he would be protected.

Obviously, I don't have any way to know. I'm just looking for reasons why so much info has been held back from the community. Surely the parents know the manner of death - I would think. I would also think its past the time where they would want that info held because of sensitivity to the family. Releasing *any* additional info would help the case yet I still understand info considered to be signature to the murderer would and should be held.

I think the biggest reason I think that BG is possibly LE or someone who would have very close contact with LE were Doug Carters words and inflection about knowing BG's voice. Maybe that is reading too much into it but I'm not convinced of that.

 

[minazoe]

The fact the girls are even there makes it even more weird because seriously she is not allowed on that bridge yet she makes a plan to go there and hang out there. Does it make any sense to you?

why would she want to go there if she is not allowed on that bridge..not allowed there...so what is pull of this place?

I feel the dots don't connect. they don't. pieces are missing . mOO

 

[Ursamajr]

The fact the girls are even there makes it even more weird because seriously she is not allowed on that bridge yet she makes a plan to go there and hang out there. Does it make any sense to you?

why would she want to go there if she is not allowed on that bridge..not allowed there...so what is pull of this place?

I feel the dots don't connect. they don't. pieces are missing .

When I was that age I know if I were banned from going to a place I would be even more curious to visit it. I don't think that would make Abby a delinquent or anything but I do think that it's a pretty good chance she knew all about the bridge and had seen pictures of it. Normally, I don't think walking over that bridge would have been a big deal. Her parents being overly cautious and in retrospect only, rightfully so. I've walked over trestles like that and it is absolutely invigorating. Should I have? That is subjective. All I know is that
"FOMO" (Fear Of Missing Out) is a big term with people who use social media for a reason. Seeing your friends do something that looks amazing or just having fun and not being able to because of parents or just because you aren't friends with the people doing it is a big motivator when you are constantly seeing pictures on SnapChat or Instagram of them.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Am I the only one that wonders if "Guys" and "down the hill" are from two totally separate moments that were caught on her phone? It seems to me the "down the hill" comment came first, when he was still needing them to cooperate... and the "guys" part was said after they reached their remote destination, where he had the upper hand. Something about the way he says that one word raises the hair on the back of my neck. Others were saying his tone sounded resigned to a task. I think that "resignation" is actually "finality." Like it was followed by "you're never going to see your families again." He was feeding off their terror, IMO. Horrifying.

JMO

ETA: Looking at a video titled "LISTEN: Police release audio of Delphi, Ind. murder suspect" on YT makes it really noticeable, IMO.

You are right. The two phrases didn’t necessarily transpire in a contiguous fashion. We don’t know.

 

[rosesfromangels]

The fact the girls are even there makes it even more weird because seriously she is not allowed on that bridge yet she makes a plan to go there and hang out there. Does it make any sense to you?

why would she want to go there if she is not allowed on that bridge..not allowed there...so what is pull of this place?

I feel the dots don't connect. they don't. pieces are missing . mOO

As I have speculated upthread, I suspect one of the girls was catfished, and thought she was going to meet a Bieber lookalike.

amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Ozoner]

The fact the girls are even there makes it even more weird because seriously she is not allowed on that bridge yet she makes a plan to go there and hang out there. Does it make any sense to you?

why would she want to go there if she is not allowed on that bridge..not allowed there...so what is pull of this place?

I feel the dots don't connect. they don't. pieces are missing . mOO

Did you do what you were told as a teenager? If you did, you must have been one weird teenager. Most teens go out of their way to do things that they're not allowed to do. I've never met a teenager who cared what his or parents thought one way or the other. Teenagers do as they please.

 

[Ozoner]

As I have speculated upthread, I suspect one of the girls was catfished, and thought she was going to meet a Bieber lookalike.

amateur opinion and speculation

With all due respect, I think maybe you got married to that theory early on, before much was known about the case, and just tefuse to let go of it for some reason. There's no evidence whatsoever to support that theory. None.

 

[JnRyan]

With all due respect, I think maybe you got married to that theory early on, before much was known about the case, and just tefuse to let go of it for some reason. There's no evidence whatsoever to support that theory. None.

I tend to believe this was a crime of opportunity. But that said, LE has not convinced me that they have evidence that catfishing didn't happen.

 

[HaikuMommy]

As I have speculated upthread, I suspect one of the girls was catfished, and thought she was going to meet a Bieber lookalike.

amateur opinion and speculation

While that is certainly possible, I think police would have closed in on a suspect quickly in that case. Personally, I think it's much more likely the perpetrator was just waiting on that bridge for random "prey" (because he had fantasized and planned to take "prey" to the location where the girls were found). He might have originally been planning to abduct any woman who was hiking or jogging alone. I don't think he was specifically looking for two young girls; all he cared about was whether they'd be controllable. JMO

I also have trouble with the theories it was someone they knew who killed them for practical reasons (such as preventing them talking about a secret). If this was the case, they would likely have just killed them in the least messy way possible (shooting) and made a quick getaway, leaving them in the woods and ditching the weapon somewhere it would never be found. I believe this was a sick and sadistic person, whether it was someone they knew or not... but it was not a murder meant to keep a secret. So these theories ring less true to me.

However, this case is baffling and just because I think something isn't likely, doesn't mean it didn't happen. I sure hope it's solved someday.

 

[rosesfromangels]

With all due respect, I think maybe you got married to that theory early on, before much was known about the case, and just tefuse to let go of it for some reason. There's no evidence whatsoever to support that theory. None.

We don’t know.
My speculation is influenced by the volunteer work I have done with local LE educating middle school-teens and PTAs on catfishing. The stats are mind blowing on the frequency of Pedos reaching out to kids. So yes, my POV is jaundiced.
And yes, Given what I do know, I think it’s a strong, very strong, possibility. Hopefully time will tell.

Amateur opinion and speculation