Found Deceased IN - Abigail (Abby) Williams, 13, & Liberty (Libby) German, 14, The Delphi Murders 13 Feb 2017 #127

[MistyWaters]

Very reasonable, @MistyWaters. I think that the girls were followed for a few days. So, yes, probably he could not have the ticket bought for 2/13. However, he could have had the same plan repeated if they were killed on a different day. Say, 2/15 - route 18 - to 65 = less than 3 hours to Chicago. O’Hare is a major hub. You probably could buy the ticket the same day if it is not a holiday. I can’t imagine the person staying in Delphi or Lafayette or wherever he lives after the murders.

Moving away from Delphi, relocating from “unsafe” place is also a possibility.

Wouldn’t it be suspicious to locals for somebody to suddenly disappear immediately following the murders?

As always, it loops back toward a good tip, somebody knows this person....

 

[JnRyan]

I don't believe this killer stayed long in the Delphi/Carroll County area after these murders. But then I tend to believe he wasn't living that area at the time. Just my opinion, but I believe if he was a resident at the time someone would likely have made the connection between him and the murders. I think his connection to the Delphi area lies in his past. If he lives in Lafayette - with a population of approximately 100K with West Lafayette - that is a large enough town to allow him to hide in plain sight. His chances of hiding in plain sight are even better if he lives in Indianapolis (pop. ~900K). Then there Muncie/Yorktown (~90K), Anderson (~60K) and Kokomo (~60K) within an hour to 90 minutes away.

 

[minazoe]

I don't know why but I feel like you could look at the photo and think I know someone who looks like that and still not want to report them because what if you are WRONG? I feel like not reporting a person that looks like the dude in the photo could really happen.

if he is between 5'6 and 5' 8 he is on the small side

rules out a ton of possible candidates.

mOO

 

[Ravenmoon]

You know, I understand why most of us feel that people within Delphi or the surrounding area would just "know" the person that did this. Like, as neighbors..town-folk, citizens.. that something would just click.
But, other than the people closest to him, would it be that easy to surmise?
I mean, how many of us really know our neighbor anymore?
How many of us really pay attention when we are in town to those around us?
Growing up in the 80's, we all knew everyone. Block parties, gatherings, talking at the fence line.
The 90's , there was a slight shift. We started to know people a little bit less.
After 2000, it was not so much the norm to get overly involved with the people around us.
By 2010 and on , it feels like we are so isolated..even if you live in a city.
We all tend to keep within our circles, and sometimes even labeled "Karen and Kevin" if we ask too many questions.
Personally, I would rather be a Karen than not notice anything or try to help someone else.
I guess the point that I am trying to make is that we really don't pay attention to those around us like we used to.

AMOO JMO MOO

 

[IceIce9]

No direct flights to Canada?

I haven’t flown since COVID, because my employer stopped all of our air travel. But prior to March there weren’t any direct flights, we had to go through either O’Hare or Detroit.

 

[sandy_80]

he doesn't have to be a local or from a small town ...nobody has to know him
he might be one of those millions of loners ...not to mention there is no actual photo ...
add to that ...I have no idea what the people in my street or my neighbors look like ...I do exchange greetings sometimes with older ppl but I wouldn't know them in the street
I dont think its possible for him to be identified by a person ...however if a reliable witness saw him face to face maybe ?...and from what we hear that's unlikely
that's why I am wondering if they actually have any idea what tip are they waiting for ...if anyone at all is still active in the case

 

[sandy_80]

I dont know if this was shared before but its personally the first time
I know who exactly was the artist for the second sketch
Trooper Taylor Bryant drew the second sketch and not the first one
he is the main one for the ISP but is by no means a pro artist
I have seen some of his work for other cases and they are not exactly good
Delphi murders update 2019: New suspect sketch, video released

here he clarifies that it was based on (one witness) solely

"The witness is the main focus. So there’s no input from law enforcement at all in the generating of a sketch, other than my presence as the artist."

Bryant uses a "facial identification reference sheet" that has a list of different categories, from head shapes to different eyebrows and noses. The person will describe the suspect based on those categories. "(It's) easier to do that than to describe (the suspect) using just words,

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Delphi double homicides: A year later, ‘horrible to live like this’
Police have released limited, but key bits about the investigation. Libby captured photos and audio of the suspect. A witness gave enough of a description of a man seen on the Monon High Trail at the time Abby and Libby went missing to provide a composite sketch. And a reward fund is just shy of a quarter-million dollars. Police have made no arrests.
-.-.-
Okay, Idk, whether it was sketch #1 or #2, but there was a witness, who might have seen the right perp.

 

[Falling Down]

I don't believe this killer stayed long in the Delphi/Carroll County area after these murders. But then I tend to believe he wasn't living that area at the time. Just my opinion, but I believe if he was a resident at the time someone would likely have made the connection between him and the murders. I think his connection to the Delphi area lies in his past. If he lives in Lafayette - with a population of approximately 100K with West Lafayette - that is a large enough town to allow him to hide in plain sight. His chances of hiding in plain sight are even better if he lives in Indianapolis (pop. ~900K). Then there Muncie/Yorktown (~90K), Anderson (~60K) and Kokomo (~60K) within an hour to 90 minutes away.

I agree, and I think the perp lives close enough that he was able to follow the news out of Indy, as in live news broadcasts. There were reports about the girls on at least two channels out of Indy the night of the initial search, one was a 10 o'clock broadcast.

I live in one of those towns you mentioned, our news comes out of Indy.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Although I don’t believe Libby and Abby were specifically targeted, I do believe the killer had thought about doing this type thing for awhile and had certainly planned things out to a certain extent. Since the important thing to him would have been executing the murder, it seems to me that buying a plane ticket and having a schedule to meet would have interfered with that “thrill”.
Then again, maybe having a deadline was part of the thrill to his warped mind.
Just my thoughts.

 

[minazoe]

I would be interested to know how often the girls were out wandering around alone in isolated areas? did they do stuff like this trip to the bridge all the time? Or was this an unusual thing that the girls would be out alone.

all high school kids who hung out at that bridge over the preceding time and up to the time of the murders should be questioned..not as suspects but as part of a scene..where is the scene happening now? do teens still congregate at the bridge?

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I also think they have to widen their net to include other communities and towns. Also why wouldn't they submit the DNA they say they have to find this person's probable family members. ( maybe they have and he has no family in the database) . They have probably done all of this... but still...

mOO

 

[Yemelyan]

He can kill, go to the car parked at Hoosier Hwy, drive to a local airport and take a trip to Mexico. Has anyone checked flights on 2/13 2/14 from the nearest international Airport?

This is probably what I would have done. The only reason people are tied up to local places now is Covid. So if there is anything minimally similar, say, in VA, chances are, this is where he lives. Covid ties up perps to their abodes and places of living.

Instead of the day of the murder, the day I'd be interested in for a person suddenly making a change of residence/work/life plan is actually the day of the press conference where the images of him on the bridge were released.

Until that moment, he either didn't know he was recorded, or thought he destroyed the phone. So the day of that press conference he would likely have been panicking a bit and if there were mistakes to be made, or changes in his routine, it probably occurred then.

Same for the April 2019 press conference. If any of that new information hit him as accurate, that's likely the time he starts making changes to his life. JMO

 

[minazoe]

I was looking at a map and Delphi is like a straight shot from literally everywhere. if you look laterally , Peoria/Bloomington Il, and Fort Wayne Indiana...if you look below.. Evansville pops up..Indianapolis is a big hub..My thing is , I just do'nt think this was like a big day trip for this dude, he didn't drive for hours just to scope out this bridge..no ...I think he was always less than 1.5 hours away. He just looks like such a low rent loser..he's not gonna spend big bucks gassing up the car or flying somewhere...nope..he didn't kill girls on his own street or anything..he's not that stupid, but if Evansville is involved then I think he plays a county/state game so there are places that would be logical to anyone studying this type of thing.

 

[minazoe]

maybe the evansville murder victims were moved because he killed near to where he lives. maybe he planned differently for next time because he wanted more attention on the state of his victims and the shock of the community. he wanted them found so he could get the rush of instant infamy and sadistic pleasure.

for me this is a sadistic sexual predator, serial killer, and thinking like him, the wants young girls, he wants pairs,
he wants shock and awe. He has stalked young girls or approached them in the past.

He has probably molested in the past , maybe sisters or cousins. He has done normal killer stuff in his childhood and either has not been caught or no one cared what he did. He was probably bullied and later became a known bully.

collects , maybe surveillance tech, cameras + weapons . If asphyxiated , this could be the actual sex act, with no other obvious sexual activity.

I feel like this is him..this is who he is... of course mOO.

 

[Number8]

I would be interested to know how often the girls were out wandering around alone in isolated areas? did they do stuff like this trip to the bridge all the time? Or was this an unusual thing that the girls would be out alone.

mOO

In the Scene of the Crime Podcast, the girl’s families talk about how they went to the Delphi trails a lot as it’s a very popular place for families to go on hikes or bike rides together on days off, and the girls went there a couple times by themselves too, to explore and do photography. The podcast also mentions that there’s a “geocache” there, and the girls had gone there a couple times to check it out. Kelsi said that it’s very popular hangout for young people.

That’s why I agree with LE that it must be someone local, either in Delphi or surrounding area, who is (very) familiar with the Delphi trails, and knew that young women hung out there. He likely stalked that location for quite a while, getting his plan of attack ready to execute efficiently in broad daylight. I don’t think he necessarily wanted Abby and Libby to be his victims, but they were in the wrong time and wrong place with a predator. JMO.

 

[minazoe]

oh yeah he knows that bridge.. lets get a group of men on that bridge, men who have never walked it...lets see how they approach, how casual? how gingerly? would they stop to look and negotiate the rails and boards.

now look at BG , look at this hands...

mOO

 

[Yemelyan]

In the Scene of the Crime Podcast, the girl’s families talk about how they went to the Delphi trails a lot as it’s a very popular place for families to go on hikes or bike rides together on days off, and the girls went there a couple times by themselves too, to explore and do photography. The podcast also mentions that there’s a “geocache” there, and the girls had gone there a couple times to check it out. Kelsi said that it’s very popular hangout for young people.

That’s why I agree with LE that it must be someone local, either in Delphi or surrounding area, who is (very) familiar with the Delphi trails, and knew that young women hung out there. He likely stalked that location for quite a while, getting his plan of attack ready to execute efficiently in broad daylight. I don’t think he necessarily wanted Abby and Libby to be his victims, but they were in the wrong time and wrong place with a predator. JMO.

Adding my agreement to this. The vast, vast majority of these offenders are not choosing "hunting spots" for victims randomly or picking places sight unseen from Google Earth. (I won't claim it never happens.)

The most common scenario for this type of offender is that they've happened upon a spot in the course of their legitimate daily activity and noticed something about the place that piqued their predatory interest - maybe it's that the playground is just out of sight of the camping spots, maybe it's the distance of the restrooms from the parking lot, maybe it's the fact that there's women/girls walking solo or in pairs.

So now that he's identified a target rich environment, he'll go back - probably does a few dry runs that serve to fuel his fantasies for awhile. Eventually something happens that moves him from fantasy to action. It could be an opportunistic thing - maybe he never saw a female at the end of the bridge in just the right circumstances before. Or maybe he's going through something else in his life that is causing him to want to seek out satisfaction in this way (for many offenders, especially first time murderers, escalation to murder from fantasy occurs after a life stressor such as legal problems, financial problems, problems with parents/partner). Or maybe it's both.

 

[minazoe]

maybe he geared up and hangs out for a few days, not too long as to get noticed...different times of day etc. if nothing happens he moves on..

or

he targeted these girls and had been watching them for several days.

mOO

 

[TheVisual]

I was looking at a map and Delphi is like a straight shot from literally everywhere. if you look laterally , Peoria/Bloomington Il, and Fort Wayne Indiana...if you look below.. Evansville pops up..Indianapolis is a big hub..My thing is , I just do'nt think this was like a big day trip for this dude, he didn't drive for hours just to scope out this bridge..no ...I think he was always less than 1.5 hours away. He just looks like such a low rent loser..he's not gonna spend big bucks gassing up the car or flying somewhere...nope..he didn't kill girls on his own street or anything..he's not that stupid, but if Evansville is involved then I think he plays a county/state game so there are places that would be logical to anyone studying this type of thing.

Evansdale, Iowa

 

[minazoe]

oh crap...ok there is an evansville. and an evansdale...also duh IOWA HEELLLLOOOOOO! 6.5 hours away from Delphi.

a good halfway point is Peoria. mOO